WoW......just wow. This thread is an excellent study of human nature. It's got everything...greed, anger, pride, pathos, pity, envy....just name it. I'm NOT just talking about Popadiuk, either. Kind of makes me ashamed to be a human.

When pin heads turn on one another and stop basing John, then John wins.

Let's get back to what matters.

Who in their right mind puts a spinning toy that blocks the only ramp shot in the game?

I hope this leads to exploring bringing RAZA into production over MG. When you think about it, RAZA could possibly be saved and the mess called Magic Girl can die. Seems the game is a convoluted mess that may take more work to complete with all the magnets etc. It may be more feasible to focus on RAZA as it may be much more cost effective to produce.

No sense reasoning with him...

This is his typical response to getting called out or even disagreeing with him:
personal attacks and a launch into rant-mode.

Ice seems to want to make this thread all about himself:

827 posts in this thread alone.... lol.. .EIGHT HUNDRED! And that's when he's NOT on eject/vacation here from the mods....

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There's one villian in this story: Jpop.
Not Bill and also not the skeptics.

Well whoever predicted 15k posts by the end of the weekend was about 1k off

To me, I don't see a profit. That's the point. That's why I'm asking questions.

I do, and have done, "good" things for the pinball community. I've run nearly 50 tournaments, helped out at every single pinball show in my area since 2009, started a pinball map, done lectures and outreach and so on, all volunteer and "for fun". More, I know many similar people in pinball, including the principals who run the shows.

I'm not patting myself on the back, but illustrating I'm pretty freaking wired in to the part of pinball where people help out of their good hearts, and I can't think of a single one (and I know some very rich ones, too) who would take on a JJP 2.0 for "fun". In short, it sounds "too good to be true". It doesn't add up.

I don't know of anyone who signs up to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars or worse, and commits to a multi-year business endeavor out of the goodness of their hearts. We're not talking about orphans or cancer victims, but pinball games.

This is why I'm questioning your assumptions. You are assuming a significant financial sacrifice on his part that to my knowledge hasn't been validated.

I'm sure it must be seductive to imagine a rich guy swooping in to provide a magic solution to this situation. Suddenly a savior appears and it's tempting to get on board. But I also know that people who have been kicked emotionally and financially in the balls are susceptible to strangers with ice packs. And the moment they take their hands off their nuts to reach for that ice pack, sometimes they get an ice pack and sometimes they get a second kick in the balls.

Now ask yourself this question: why does a guy do things "for the community" or "for fun" have a co-pilot tied to ponzi scams, and who just made a video LAST MONTH for said ponzi scams? "At least they're doing something to get these made" doesn't answer the question.

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You forgot alcohol. And Otis.

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The same usernames in all the drama filled threads here on pinside causing the grief here. Surprised this is allowed on the site at all without even a finger being lifted for the repeat offenders.

For whining about BS you have single handedly filled two threads with more BS than anyone this weekend. You should also read your own rants as many apply to you.

This may be the end result of all of this work. Although Raza is said to be farther behind, it seems like it is a more straightforward game and I think it looks like the more fun machine even though it is not as pretty as mg. getting the licensed characters out of the art and selling RAZAs seems like a more likely road to repaying the people who lost on mg. I think RAZA is more likely to sell 200 or 300 units because the price point should be better.

I'm just drinking beer as usual. Seems like there is some good & bad things in Magic Girl sample. Too bad things had to be thrown together at the last minute. Only have one person to blame in all this million dollar fiasco.

The word plausible is the issue. The idea that a brand new company is going to produce hundreds, if not thousands of high quality pinball machines that are more complex than most of what we're seeing today is a stretch. On top of that, they are going to be so profitable that they can pay down almost a million dollars in outstanding JPop debt. Mind you, I don't think there has been a single game made in well over a decade that turned over a million dollars in profit.

You're new and want to be optimistic about this. But the financial stuff is just reality. Barring some dramatic changes to the cost of parts, labor, and the technology that runs these machines, there is nothing plausible in this.

And that's not a knock on the new company. The fact they got the machine to the show and even got it running is cool. I don't know how anyone can blame them for the status of a machine that they've barely touched. But I think most of the negativity is more toward John and what the heck he was doing the past 4 years if this is all he has.

I know it will put me on your shitlist but there's nothing significant about June 30 as far as the questions being asked. There's no reason the questions about the zidware contract or his staff can't be addressed before then. More, answering those questions to the positive satisfaction of those involved is to their advantage as it would build trust in what they're trying to do. Not doing so breeds suspicion.

I know how I might come off to you right now, and all I can say to that is the same part of my personality that made me want to volunteer running events, volunteer at shows and so on likewise doesn't want to see my fellow players, and especially my friends, get a second bowl full of shit.

Or AIW

The technical term now is, "PURPLEWOOD."

A game with finished artwork, but lacking most of the mechanical features. That's a "Purplewood."

This is not entirely true. The "drama threads" also happan to be the latest in "pinball news" threads. We are here talking about pinball.

I consider you a friend.

"Popawood" seems a more fitting term.

Thanks.

Well, I admit I like to watch too. It's like reality tv, but actually real, and I get to participate, instead of just shouting at the tv "don't sleep with him you dumb bitch!"

And anyway, I bought two of Yeti's AIW prints so now I have skin in the game. I pre-ordered after all.

Guys, I think everyone needs to step, back and take a breather. There is probably a lot of people that are disappointed that the showing of MG did not go well, especially those with money in the game. There is still a lot of pent up frustration on both sides of the camp.
I don't have any skin in the game, and I don't think either side is wrong. Just differing opinions. I also think this is a very complicated mess, with no clear solution. Time will sort this mess out. People have to decide in their hearts what they feel is the right thing to do, and they should not be judged for it. They have to live with the consequences, one way or the other. At the end of the day, a lot of people may be disappointed with whatever way this turns. I just hope people forgive and forget, and not be disolussioned. There are still a lot of good people on both sides. This is turning nasty, and no-one is going to win, in that situation. Take a breather boys. You will be better for it. Sleep on it before you hit that send button.

More.

That sure is a lot of posts, man.

I wonder what your count would be if it weren't for Iceman and Whysnow. You're like the Tom Joad of boutique pinball deprecation.

I'm catching up on the thread, it moves fast.

To be clear to everyone, this thread will not be closed any time soon. The mod team made this decision jointly.

We want to contain the discussion here to the greatest extent possible and not have it spread to other threads. Please be nice to each other. Please remember you do not need to restate the same opinion over and over again.

My opinion is that John Popaduik is a dillhole.

So here's an example of the feature sets I might have expected Magic Girl to have:

1) Persistent characters! Load your character with a unique identifier to start the game with your customized character. Persisted information includes a custom character avatar, skills, level, quest progress, spell and mastery trees, sounds and music and more! Information pulled automatically through user login from the Jpop user server.

2) Interactive live multiplayer. Challenge your friends to a live multi-table magic girl duel Pokemon style! Cast spells, summon monsters, trigger playfield hazards and view your opponent's progress through interactive wifi and soon-to-be-coming internet-enabled matches.

3) Quest mode! Play with your friends in a special interactive quest mode where players play as a party and progess through dungeons, castles and quests together. Special challenges include double-skill shot (both players must make a skill shot with either the left or right flipper together) and great harm mode, where every shot immediately traps the ball with a magnet and the game prompts you to enter a special code to release it (codes are single use and deposit $ must be received before the code will be given out)

4) Magnet meaning mode! A mode where the magnets interact with the playfield in a meaningful way. Such as: redirecting the ball intelligently. Displaying ball redirect patterns and transparently enforcing the playfield modifications the magnetic forces implement consistently. Allow targets and shots to effect and visually update the magnetic playfield modifications and progress game modes.

5) Wild Magic Mode! A fast paced mode where the game rotates through extreme magic modes and multiball and timed modes rapidly. The accelerated pace and emphasis on shot selection and accuracy provides a unique and tournament-ready format for the pinball expert to hone their skills.

Here's a list of the feature set I saw Magic Girl have:

1) Hit the ramp mode! Try to hit a ramp, and if you do hit the weird one and your ball doesn't bounce out, pat yourself on the back about it.

Here, here!

And every TBL I've seen at shows has been turned completely off because it broke in the first ten minutes; what's your point?

Barkeep.....I'll have whatever Iceman's having.

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This is a noble goal.

HOWEVER, nobody really knows what the details are between JPop and Pintasia. There's talk John is "out of it" but then there's also talk "he's a consultant and will be paid a salary." The idea that John Papadiuk would receive even a single penny extra at this point before any of the customers and suppliers are made whole is something that almost everybody finds extremely offensive.

Unfortunately, that's a pretty important sticking point upon which any impression of the "goodwill" Pintasia claims they have will be judged. Post the details of the licensing arrangement between Pintasia and Zidware. One simple action, which everybody wants to see, will once and for all let everybody know where JPop and Bill and everybody stands. Simple request. Constantly ignored. You too, should be cautious to do business with someone when you don't know what deal they have with a guy that has screwed you over.

Who really has power and control in the development of MG? We do not know. Bill says he has it, but he won't outline the details, and so many people have been lied to it's foolish to assume anyone is telling the truth without evidence. This has less to do with Bill and more to do with common sense and history/experience. But Bill has repeatedly refused to detail the licensing agreement, so there is some legitimate reason to be apprehensive. If it really is all about "helping out the community" why should the licensing agreement be secret? Everybody is tired of secrets. If you want to be trusted, no more secrets

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Um, yea, that would be like cancelling Firefly.

I don't have time to sift through the last ten pages, but did anybody notice what appears to be giant air bubbles underneath the Mylar? The ball looked like it was moving in a "lumpy" fashion around the center area. Similar to flattening air bubbles in a phone screen protector.

Thanks. I would have hoped for more but at least there was some interest.

Yes! If you wanna know why... See the last 10 pages

If I missed it, sorry, but why did Zamost leave the lawsuit that is happening?

Yes, it was an overlay, not a printed playfield.

So much to compare to the One True King of Ooo and his shakedown of the Candy Kingdom in Gold Stars. Adventure Time is high on my own list for a custom pin, that's for sure.

It wasn't predicted it would be in the lobby with 50 foot tall Windows and bright sunny days. All pins out there in the kids zone had same issues....

Yes I do have money invested, and I agree with Greg.

Close down the most awesome thread ever?

Hmm.... that would get me back to RGP. No wonder it's starting to pick up over the again.