Well his original premise was that John found a miracle and was somehow able to ship all the games. At that point he would have fallen into the "long delays with really shitty treatment" category.

Just caught up on the past ~400 posts...

SBJ.gif

Can you imagine if a car dealer let you preorder a car 4 years ago, missed deadlines constantly and told you that you couldn't get your money back? Then their PR guy told you today it wouldn't be ready until 2017, as a JOKE?

No, you can't imagine that, because it's unbelievably stupid.

And the car dealer made you pay in full for the car when you ordered.

I think the same thing every time I read this thread.

The pinball preorder guys have been more than accommodating and patient with all the preorders.

Any other consumer item, there would be angry people lined up down the road with pitchforks and torches.

Imagine what would happen if Apple delivers its iwatch thing one day late ... There will be riots in the street.

rd.

When the last car he made was over 15 years ago? Seems pretty crazy to me on both ends.

That pretty much sums up this whole shitshow. It is only because pinball is such an insular hobby that these guys are able to get away with it.

If this were anything else besides pinball, this shit would be on 60 Minutes next week.

Worked for Stern.

Ferrari has a 3+ year waiting time.

Harley used to have a 3 year wait.

But 4 years? Hell no!

I'm guessing they'll take your phone calls though?

Stern has a factory and a track record and an infrastructure and employees.

Jpop has none of these things.

Correction 4th most hated people on Pinside

1) Kevin
2) Jpop (AKA 'The Steve Jobs of Pinball')
3)Cogard
4)Kenida

(not sure if I missed anyone feel free to update the list)

For what his is doing, he does not need any of those things.

For which car? Friend just bought one and it only took a month to get it with shipping. 3 year wait? On some not yet produced custom car?

It was over 3 years when I went to buy (dealers were telling you 2 years, as to not scare you off).

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/12/autos/ferrari-production-rich/

The fact that "PR" was perceived to be even the slightest problem in the big picture is disturbing enough. Hitching one's horse in any way, shape or form to Kaneduh just shows a complete lack of any sense of reality.

Here is my PR plan: build a flipping prototype and concentrate 100% on MG until it is done and shipped - even if it ships with no software whatsoever. Someone will program on the consumer end.

Problem: all these machines are 100% sold out and paid for, but are incomplete and late beyond measure

Solution: ramp up on marketing and PR

I think there is a story behind the fact that more buyers are NOT trying to sell their pre-order spot.

Keeping my spot for RAZA even now thank you.

"It really bothers me when these pinball designers don't deliver"

th-1.jpeg

Yes. Four months ago I found a buyer for Magic Girl. I had two buyers wanting it actually. In a comedy of errors it took Jpop 3.5 months to get the contract to the buyer I decided to go with. That would be 3.5 months of me calling and emailing Jpop to perform a simple task.

When the new buyer finally got the contract he didn't like the terms and expected me (as the seller) to go back to Jpop and negotiate the contract flaws. AFTER THREE AND A HALF MONTHS of me dealing with Jpop in Wonderland!!!

I politely declined, he misread one of my email comments and accused me of trying to scam him.

In the meantime, my other buyer bought someone else's Magic Girl spot. I'm not going to name anyone but both of them follow this thread.

Sorry but Andy Rooney would have had no opinion on Zidware.
From underground that is....

images.jpeg

There's lots to be excited about, that's what keeps people in, that or they've given up (like me), but its not right that people who want out can't get out.

this thread is only 600 posts shy of the skit-b thread, that says something

I expect this one to pass it in a less than a month frankly. The Skit-b thread is going to slow down while Kevin K basically hides under his bed not refunding people and the heat dies on him.

Was this ever cleared up?

I think Turner Enterprises owns the IP, since the authorize the sale of the life-size replica's.

I tried to check in with the Predator thread and saw it was still people arguing about the definition of the word scam, and pointing fingers in some weird McCarthy witch hunt over the anonymous group. Keeping it drained.

You know..

The biggest fear I have right now is that this whole f'ing debacle will give CV a bad taste in my mouth. I'd hate to re-add that game to my collection, and then not be able to stop thinking about his attempts at making games.

Have 2 of his now & enjoy C.V most , & have had similar thoughts as yours occasionally ....... but I just let it go ultimately & say well those 3 of his back in the day are pretty good titles in some ways more than other ways but they have their place in Pinball no matter what happens ... tainted later if this all goes to pot , prob. not maybe the controversy makes em even more desirable in a twisted kind of way but C.V IMO is & always will be a great title

Cirqus Voltaire is the greatest pinball ever made. To me its the only obvious Masterpiece when it comes to pinball machines. I only see a Zidware pin having the potential to match it.

Where do I get that glowing orb mod!

When it comes to making PinGames JPOP doesn't fuck around!

Be careful with those plasma disc mod things if that's what your talking about .. I can only speak for what happened to me but I put one in my C.V & started having reset issues & then noticed it was out! .. took it out right then & so far no prob. after .... just sayin

Actually, Jpop has been fucking around a lot these past couple of years.

CV is pretty awesome. Can't agree it's the greatest pinball ever made.

This thread was close to a thousand posts ahead about 6 weeks ago, but I think it's definitely getting it's momentum back.

Not even close.

Whhhhooooooh momma!!

image.jpg

and this one has had very little off topic, been pretty hardcore jpop the whole time.

Damn that pin is sexy!

Fixed it for ya.

QSS

Hey, we all have different tastes. I bet no very few people in this thread would agree on the greatest pinball of all time. If someone wants to think it's CV then hey, go for it.

I don't know anyone who would personally agree with that, I know I sure don't. It's not even a top 50 for me. Bombed when it came out, which is why you can still find nice ones that are HUO, snatched up at huge discounts from distributors who were eager to dump it.

Way overpriced now, but all the Jpop games are really. There's no gameplay behind the nice prices, just some pretties. TOM isn't too bad actually, you can get a fair price for that.

I think his career and legacy is a pile ashes. He has no future and his legacy will be known as a failure. Only John can now change this. It's 100% in his own hands and up to him. Only John can save himself, no one else can save him.

So is John going to be know as a failure...... it's looking like a 99% chance at this point in time.

QSS

CV is definitely a top 100 pin.

As is this little beauty.

image.jpg

What's not to love about lengthy, non-skippable DMD animations?

CV is a great game - I have one and enjoy it very much - but it was made by Bally/Williams where John was employed as a designer in the 90's.

He may still be a great designer - but how are these designs ever going to be completed & manufactured? Cheerleading his past designs isn't going to make that happen, Strange.

IF Turner ever tried to pursue Jpop about it, Jpop would just ignore it and never return the call or email.

Are you kidding... less than a week. I think there have been 100+ posts today.

JPOP?

To be honest, when Jpop announced he was doing Magic Girl, I thought it was a brilliant idea. I was happy for him that they all sold out, immediately, then I wondered, will he be able to turn a profit on that?

I assumed that he would make a minor profit, but maybe on his second game, which would probably be 7 or 8 months later, that he'd make more and slowly build a pinball company.

How in the world he hasn't been able to even hand build some of these machines yet just blows my mind. There are 365 days in a year, he's went to work 1500 days or so since he took everybody's money and still hasn't delivered the first guy his game?

The craziest part, in my mind, is that this isn't somebody like Kevin who's just a loser with no talent... this is a guy who HAS talent, demonstrable talent.

You've got 4 hurdles you need to jump to pull this off.

1 . design a fun machine
2. source parts
3. physically assemble the machine
4. code the software

The hardest would be the 1st... he has that ability, so one of the biggest hurdles he's accomplished. The software is another HUGE hurdle, but you could hire someone to do that, or at least get a flipping game done. I would imagine there's people cable of it right here on pinside that may even donate their services to get it accomplished.

The second hurdle, sourcing parts, he seems to have also accomplished. He had playfields made, he had cabinets made, he had all kinds of strange gizmos built, he had a gentleman make him hundreds of custom PCB's. So that didn't prove to be an issue.

The other hurdle is physically building the game, which is THE EASIEST PART but yet he hasn't been able to pull it off!

So he can design the game which is very hard, he can source all the parts which is very hard, he could have hired a software guy but screwed it up, and has stumbled trying to build the games which is the easiest part of the whole damn thing.

Just so strange. So sad to see such a well respected designer lose his entire reputation over this.

Seems I've read something similar before, just not sure where

It was such a hit, they could hardly give them away when they first came out. But at least there wasn't much of a wait if you wanted one.