oooh man the suspense is killing me!!
I was hoping that guy who is doing the epic blog would post a video of it but so far I haven't seen one up there yet
Quoted from jazzmaster:
I received a letter from John concerning AIW this week. It included an invoice and some verbiage that was as confusing as ever concerning the next payment. I can't tell if he is trying to collect $0, $2000 or the remainder of the balance. For the record, I am interpreting it as $0. The attached letter also gives an address for a "secret" web page that is supposed to contain more info about the game. The website address just leads to a page with a line drawing of Alice and the words "Concept Preview" with nothing more. John updated the AIW dev blog three days ago with a long screed about the backglass design process and said that he would reveal the artwork the next day. Since then, nothing has been posted.
Also, for the record, I have never been asked to sign any kind of NDR for AIW.
I also received the AIW letter this week , two separate mailings actually 1 day apart from each other and it was confusing to me as well in the first one I am told that I am AIW #71 and in the second one it tells me that my serial# is #51 ?? the second one also asked for another installment of $1000.00 & I don't feel comfortable sending it or any other $ until I see what happens with these two upcoming reveals I am still trying to be positive and keep the faith but IDK , I do plan to make a visit to his shop (per his invite) sometime early in the new year "2015" hopefully I will see something(s) encouraging & for the record I have never been asked to sign a NDA either
Quoted from gweempose:
What makes this situation sting more than the other pre-order debacles is that so many people love and respect John's past work. In a way, people feel like they have been let down by one of their heroes.
this is spot on ! exactly how I would describe it , a major letdown I'm not in on RAZA or MG but I did get in on AIW about 10 days or so Before expo I was really excited to be in on one of these boutique bad ass machines as I envisioned they would be and thought that after expo I would be kicking myself because I didn't get in on RAZA or MG when I had a chance to....... now....well... I am just hoping that all the stalling and unnecessary redesigning etc...will end , machines will get built, & delivered & that I will not lose my down payment and that I will SOME day get a really cool machine
call it abused spouse or cult or whatever syndrome you like....... but I am feeling a lil bit better after hearing Some good news on this
I think if you just ask John for access he will send it to you its in a wordpress group thing..... but then I read somewhere on here he said he is going to open up all the groups
Big time Ditto's !!!! dead on !! this is exactly how I feel
Quoted from lllvjr:
funny how he's still trying to get people from posting pics here...or that he's actually worried about it with what's going on should be his focus
Yeah it looks like he had put up a couple of new videos on the AIW blog but he took them down before I got to even watch them ... I guess because of what was posted here?
Quoted from Rarehero:
Does Jpop see any of this or realize his buyers are talking this way!?!?
Crazy isn't it ? I was soooo excited to get in on AIW.... I mean really excited!! dreaming of the day I would take delivery & get to play the thing... NOW I am left with the idea of discussing a possible tax right off for "2015" with my C.P.A // never saw that coming
Have 2 of his now & enjoy C.V most , & have had similar thoughts as yours occasionally ....... but I just let it go ultimately & say well those 3 of his back in the day are pretty good titles in some ways more than other ways but they have their place in Pinball no matter what happens ... tainted later if this all goes to pot , prob. not maybe the controversy makes em even more desirable in a twisted kind of way but C.V IMO is & always will be a great title
Quoted from Hwawonyu:
Where do I get that glowing orb mod!
Be careful with those plasma disc mod things if that's what your talking about .. I can only speak for what happened to me but I put one in my C.V & started having reset issues & then noticed it was out! .. took it out right then & so far no prob. after .... just sayin
PDXmonkey I am curious about your opinion....... at this point is John still High risk/High reward in your book or is Zidware now a major fail as opposed to just risky ? Damn! I wish I had cancelled that check after Expo when I still had the chance to do so bye bye $ & Thanks John your Legend status with this new to pinball enthusiast (ME) is in the toilet
I def. want to hear Zombie yeti's take on things , hoping he elaborates more about why he went "digging" for info on John BTW I love your work , its a Big part of what sold me on AIW even though @ the time I didn't know someone else was doing all the art
I was probably one of or perhaps The Last person to jump on this "Jpop train of pain" got in about 2 & 1/2 week before expo 2014 (AIW) had a chance to cancel my check to him after the fallout from expo as he had not cashed it yet , I let my desire for the game get in the way of my common sense & didn't do it in time , cant hardly believe he has let this happen to his reputation in the pinball world / people in other threads , people with no stake in these games are now referencing Jpop & SkitB in the same context IE "Don't put me in the same category as Jpop & Skit B" (paraphrasing) I really do feel like I was played by this guy (who I admired at the time) & made one of the last payments to his Ponzi like scheme of things ....... I really , really do want to stay positive but that's just the feeling he has left me with
Quoted from frolic:
I'm not on the facebook group but a member there told me there was some video footage of magic girl posted.... of the white wood
I have seen the video and it was a bit of a letdown ramps are still cardbord or foam or whatever & it looked to me like they had to keep putting balls into play , as if there was no load mech. to shooter lane ? just describing what it looked like to me there were some shots of dmd scoring but I didn't see any animations as described by someone else
but then wouldn't take money to get in on MG from PDXmonkey's friend around almost the exact same time hmmmmmmm
Quoted from iceman44:
But he sent me a "confirmation card" and told me to "be ready" with funds as MG was almost ready to go into production. This was back in August
& here's the other thing that makes me suspect his fraudulent intentions..(@ that point in time) the AIW # I got when I first bought in was # 51 then a few months later when he asked for another $1000.00 he sent me another package of info saying I was # 71 ???? he isn't even paying attention to that ...scares me .... means the #s don't really mean anything
Quoted from Pdxmonkey:
it's actually a huge gamble I'm taking hence the 50 cents on the dollar offer. If I thought it was a sure thing my offer would have been higher. It might pay off it might not.
Yeah & that logic is what prevented me from cancelling my check when I still had the opportunity to do so
Quoted from wcbrandes:
I am greatly disappointed where Jpop has left us all, and the fact is he bit off more than he could chew however they are people and as such I really don't believe some of these comments are really necessary or help the situation. This, I believe, was not malicious or purposeful so I will just stay positive and remind myself that both him and his wife are fellow pinheads and I'm almost certain things will be made clear soon.
I agree with you for the most part & Yes I don't think he set out to deceive in the beginning , but the dude was glad to take an AIW deposit from me 2 weeks before Expo 2014 right before he showed up with the empty cabinets .... cant help but feel like he saw me as a mark & pounced on it .. who knows maybe that payment help pay the rent for a month or two but I doubt any of it was spent on the game I bought in on
Quoted from iceman44:
I'll say it again, there is something potentially "very positive" going on behind the scenes.
I believe StevenP. Whether it works out or not, we shall see soon enough.
It's been 4 yrs, another small wait ain't gonna hurt a thing.
The lawsuit(s) will do nothing but guarantee that the current guys will get nothing or maybe pennies on the dollar.
If things hit a final brick wall, then knock yourself out with lawsuits. That will be throwing good money after bad
I hope your right about the first part Ice and I also agree with the throwing good money after bad..... I did call & speak with the attorney that filed the case today , considering getting added on to it , but IDK if will be worth it as I'm am not in as deep $ as most others ....
exactly! & that's where the $good 4 bad comes in , never met you Ice but your cool dude .. Iceman is a fitting moniker & I like your style , wish could have met you @ TPF //// Always hope 4 the best !
Quoted from frolic:
Is there a case for fraud now? Forget about bankruptcy and civil... I'm talking fraud and criminal charges.
There has to be some accountability for taking our money and stringing us along to this point.
when I talked with the attorney that has already filed yesterday he basically said that they consider fraud WAS committed & that that's what they will be building a case for
A case for fraud is currently being built against him ....... if he gets convicted (& that's a big IF) the bankruptcy wont completely protect him (or at all) from a judgment being levied .... collecting on that judgment is another story altogether that's the way I understand it anyhow & like cheeks said previously for those of us that are paid in to the tune of 4 to 6 grand its probably not worth the attorney fees
Quoted from Drano:
That simply tells me that there was zero bookeeping and he has no idea how much of our money he has and who has paid what. He was just happy to let it roll in. If he wasn't planning to screw people from the outset, he sure makes it look like he was. If I'm taking thousands of dollars of anyone's money, I am keeping a pretty good paper trail.
I have thought this for a good while now ....... when I first bought into AIW he sent me a package & in it there was a page that said I was AIW#51 then a couple months later when he sent a request for another $1000.00 he again sent a package of stuff & in it was another document that said I was AIW #71 he most likely has no records worth a damn & the accounting of funds etc.. has probably been non existent
Quoted from ChrisVW:
I still don't see why walking away would be a better option than just checking the box that says you'll buy RAZA or AIW when it's ready at 1. You can always walk away later. That's what I'm doing, there's a better chance the new guy makes RAZA than JPOP ever had.
thinking about it ...this is starting to sound like the best option.... for me anyways
Quoted from chessiv:
If that's real John does need jail time.
Quoted from statsdoc:
I think Jpop's email, more than anything, shows the criminal intent here. He is not even slightly repentant for what he has done, and will do it again if given the opportunity</i>
I believe that its real just as much as I am positive he Knew! that he could never finish MG much less RAZA or hell AIW? NEVER! yet he called me right away when I inquired about AIW & invited me to visit his shop added me to the secret blog & took $3895.00 down payment 2 Weeks before Expo when he showed up with the empty cabinets
Quoted from frolic:
And boy... that Magic Girl demo that is scheduled to come up. It better knock everyone's socks off. You're now not just showing it to 19 people, you've got to convince hundreds more that it is a $16k machine.
I'll bet its a no show .... hope I'm wrong but that's how it looks to me
Quoted from pinball_customs:One thing is for sure, we won't be seeing John at any shows any time soon..
I Agree !!
Quoted from teekee:
I can't believe how much time and effort some of you have spent in this thread. If you were getting paid by the hour you guys would have enough cash to refund everyone! Fire up the grill, pop open a beverage and thank a veteran… do something worthwhile this weekend.
Right on to that! I'm outta here
Quoted from pinballrockstar:
Oh, you guys bought the aiw too,i figured , how can i have #25 if nobody bought one?
I no longer think those #'s mean anything ... sadly they most likely NEVER DID , John the fraudster didn't keep track of anything he has sent me documents saying that I was #51 as well as #71 ?? does that mean I get two AIW's lol
His legacy IMO is now 1st. of all , what another Pinsider said "Inventor of the Pinball LongCon" A thief and Delusional , Lying ...... fill in the
just played a couple of games on C.V..... Omg had to try and concentrate on playing every time the Ringmaster's head came Up .... I could not stop thinking of John as the evil ringmaster of a 3 ring circus (MG,BHZA/RAZA,AIW) .... a great Mod would be his Likeness as the Ringmaster
Quoted from jackofdiamonds:
The Toy for MG is the big swirl ramp in the middle of the play field.Read the posts on the guy who made the ramps last week.2 wiggle ramps ,no big circular one.
So unless their is a REAL circular ramp somewhere the game will not have its biggest feature at NW show.
I could be wrong but I haven't seen or read anything on here that tells me otherwise
from what I understand the center swirly ramp will be for looks only in its NW show incarnation ..... they said its in there but no time for diverters to be installed & sorted out & they are not even sure yet how said ramp was supposed to function exactly
Quoted from Sjsilver:
Holy cow. How can this be true? Were those hot glued foamcore and plastic ramps just for show? How could we get to this point without anyone ever shooting them? Isn't the whole point of doing things up in Nordmanite so that you can tweak it easily if the geometry isn't quite working? Hell PDXMonkey played it a mere few weeks before this thing went nuclear, and reportedly paid for the ramps to be made himself, so he had to have seen the concept working, right?
I gotta believe that this isn't true, because Pintasia is betting everything on this show. I'm not sure how anyone could flip it with the only ramp (and main central feature) blocked off and walk away with a good impression of the game beyond saying "it's pretty". That isn't going to save the project. You can evaluate a game with anemic code (see TBL, Woz at early shows, etc), but how do you even evaluate the basics of how a game shoots if one of the main features isn't shootable?
Here is what I read from the owners blog/////// posted by Bill Brandes: Jim the area inside the ramp will be decorative as there was no way completing this toy in time or diverters etc off ramps. In fact going through all this stuff is not very clear at all. We haven't got the final "purpose" of the center and how ramps/balls were to mingle. It is one baby step at a time and John keeps his cards close to his chest. Perhaps you can lend some insight as "forcing" anything out of Jpop at this time is very well lets say challenging //////// so maybe the ramp is shootable but they are talking about the toy in the center Jynx ?? I think he was called ?
Quoted from Pinballs:
But why is it so important? You've asked me several times. It's not as if I have #1, which I guess I would remember! Frankly the number of something that will never happen, is dead, and was always vapourware isn't terribly important.
not only that but the #'s apparently don't mean squat John doesn't even know what # anyone is on any game! I have mentioned it here more than once , he sent me documents saying that I was #51 as well as #71 on AIW
Wow!! & I also read about how a whole lot of Crazy money$ went into Capcom's Zingy Blingy prototytpe & the anatomical dolls in the backglass & that Python somehow self authorized the funding for that , the dude must have had a lot of pull
Quoted from btw75:
I'm of the (outsider's) opinion he killed Capcom.
from what I have read about it I can partially agree... the crazy amount of money$ wasted on Zingy Bingy prototype was coupled with their piss poor decision around the same time to go into production with & release flipper football in place of ready to go BBB or Kingpin sealed their fate
Wow I cant Believe I trusted this Guy John that I never even met in person .......but I did & I thought he really had all those tricks in this game figured out? ..& even more for the following games? ....... my bad for BELIEVE in ZAP ....
Quoted from Jokercyclone:
I guess they didn't go with the leg bolts of pointy death. It would have been a good test to see if someone stabbed themselves. Game looks good though despite washout.
I was playing SOF last night & thought Hey those pointy leg bolts would look good on this , maybe I'm crazy but perhaps I could ask Bill if he is willing to sell those
Quoted from NYP:
Hey what's with the pointy leg bolts ?
Quoted from Manic:
Man if those things really are an off the shelf part (maybe from a bike shop?) I'm gonna slap some of those on the machines people tend to play when they stop by. It should stop my friends from trying to show me a death save on my beloved toy
I still say those would look great on SOF
Quoted from pinballrockstar:
so you have no money in this? you go to JPOP to get your stuff signed? you wrote JJP a love letter?
you loved being in Jpop's shop for the history of it?
listen buddy,we all lost serious money,you DO act like you are a saint and there is a lot of pissed of people over here,do not come here again,this place is not for you...
you just like to watch a good car crash,
Right on Right on !
where did yall see those new AIW posts? I thought he took the private blogs down after his I cant finish these games letter & all the resulting fallout
Quoted from Shrub_Light:
. I've written several posts that I'm sure Jpop sees but nobody else can.
So, how many other of the "buyers" can't post?
I posted two posts slamming him as a fraud and a thief on the Alice blog right after he sent out the I cant build these games/Pintasia solution letter & as soon as he read them the entire blog was closed
Quoted from TigerLaw:
Anyone know what John is doing these days? Has he gotten a real job or still living off what he "earned" from Zidware and doing arts and crafts?
been wondering along these same lines of thought myself as of late ...... his pinball inventor web pages have been taken down ... does anyone know if he is still renting the shop space ?
Right On !! I know when I got in a big reason was the art work that had been shown & all the way up until Jeremy came on Pinside I thought John was the artist
from what I gather he is still complaining about Pinside & now his legal strategy appears to be trying to threaten defamation against those who filed suit against him in order to get them to go away & Yes its been confirmed he is out of that building "His story" is landlord sold building so he had to move but fails to say where
just looked at that , says it opened as advertising and promotional etc.. in "2011" ? what is he up to now
Quoted from LTG:
As I recall it was a mock up and pretty far from ready. Read back thru the posts to where it was hauled to a show.
LTG : )
it was barely playable & a lot of things weren't thought out well or implemented properly .......from what I heard they had to play it with the glass off at that show because it had so many hang ups
Quoted from mrbillishere:
It could prevent great harm
Ahhh I see what you did there
Quoted from GAP:Today A guy asked to to apply to a drafting job at American Pinball. Ah, you got the wrong place.
2 months ago a programmer walked into my shop for a 2pm interview. Um wrong co.
Hmmm this is interesting
At this time I would like to announce that your Magic GirlTM custom pinball machine has been built. It has been assembled by hand utilizing the highest quality material, design and parts and is in final testing and packing now. It can be picked up or shipping arrangements will need to be made.
The games have been made under my design, direction and oversight, with many custom features all standard. We have tried to make a really finely crafted original themed pinball with mostly USA made parts.
Starting a boutique pinball company, and trying to manufacture a truly innovative product has been the most challenging thing I have ever undertaken in my life. It was not as easy as my mind conceived, and certainly more than my WMS days. That is the simple truth and as a pinball designer I have learned a lot of life skills, like humility.
But I am pleased to be able to send this letter out to you and proud of the new games we have made here in Chicago. I am endeavoring to work hard and continue on finish the other games on my drawing board at this time. Please email me or Scott Goldberg
(email@example.com) with any questions and to make arrangements.
Good Evening and Happy Sunday
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting some of you in person and have spoken to others on the phone over the last few months and I’m happy to report Magic Girls are complete!
While I know many of you have been waiting for years, and may have given up hope, the truth of the matter is John along with the team at American Pinball have made that dream a reality. American Pinball has been involved as a 3rd party contract manufacturer through this process. It’s important to be clear here that the machines were built to the original Zidware specifications. These are 100% Zidware machines, so any questions should go directly to John and myself.
The machines will be ready for pick up or deliveries later this month. Please respond to this email with how you’d like to coordinate efforts and we’ll go from there as there may be some accounting details to be figured out.
Please also see the attached letter from John with a few more details.
Thanks again and talk soon,
Quoted from benheck:
This is my fault. John had some pointless word in there like "Wow!" or "Zing!" and I suggested he just make it blank for custom phrases, signatures, etc.
lets not use the word fault as it has possibly now worked out to be fun & advantageous for us ..... lets call it divine influence
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