Quoted from SilverUnicorn:
I feel bad for him because at this point the torches and pitchforks are on the time line, but if things are rushed they will be on an incomplete game.
In the end it seems like nobody is winning
I don't feel bad for the guy. Self imposed time line from an experienced pinball guy.
Staying in for now.......
Just curious, when someone says they are "out of room", do they more likely mean "out of cash"?
If we could only have a "Popaduik Effect"
John, Please complete and produce the game, soon!
Maybe not hurting for money?
Or terrible business practice, with some people wanting refunds.
Enough is enough. Just hopped on the blog bandwagon, requesting a full refund.
Ice, Glad you are taking strong interest, but sorry, after all this with John, the last thing I would do is send in more money, just because YOU (or anyone else) may happen to "believe it's a GO", in the future. Still too many unknowns.
Quoted from iceman44:
IF its a "go" and you owe money on a pin with John then you will send it in or be done.
I doubt you are in as usual Pinstor. So it doesn't matter what you think.
You do this as par for the course with JJP and everybody else, you have no pin collection nor do you contribute to this site so like I said, it doesn't matter what you think.
Whew! I just went downstairs to see if my collection was still there. All good.
Blogging is a true waste of John's time, at this point. Finish the games, worry about the book later.
Quoted from iceman44:
Since we are at this stage now after 4 years and its basically F it, trying to be open and honest I'll share the conversation I had with Chris at Cointaker.
He's a really good dude and I think has contributed a lot to helping John and his "lighting" development. No charge for that of course.
Then over time Chris has sent approx. $7k worth of LED's at COST and John has simply not paid him to date despite promises to do so.
Now Chris didn't ask me to keep this off the record so I'm putting it out there for what it's worth. I'll report it, you decide.
Since I can't get an answer to the many questions that you guys and I both have I'll just have to fill in my own blanks.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if John won't pay Chris $7k, for an "integral" part of the team and especially RAZA ("Cointaker versions), its either one of two things:
1) He really has spent most of the $$$ OR
2) He really is just that DUMB when it comes to business and getting shit done because you would have to really be STUPID to keep burning vendor bridges, customer bridges etc. IF you have the funds to pay people to help you get shit done and don't use the funds, then I'm just baffled.
My feeling is he has spent the last two years diddling around looking for an investor to drop out of the sky.
Just recently, "production was going to begin on MG in the first of March".....
The lack of honesty and transparency is destroying both John and Kevin imo.
Some people eventually see what others see.
You just can't believe everything you hear and see from pinball manufacturers, IMHO.
Quoted from frolic:
Ice, thinking about this, your involvement and what we learned from Predator....
Whenever you have a conversation with him, you can't report back to us "everything is cool, money is fine, 2 weeks, trust me, etc"
I think you'll have to have clear questions, and report back his answers to those questions. .
At this point, if another phone call happens, will anyone believe one word of it?
Here's hoping John would step up and take a few minutes of his time away from working on AIW, and honor the individual refund requests from MG and RAZA owners.
Quoted from Legacy:
All I want to say is if the above comment is true and if or when the other buyers organize and pursue legal action I want in.
Count me in.
Among various reasons mentioned in this update thread previously, the utter lack of respect shown to the buyers is mind boggling.
I have asked for a refund for Raza twice, with no response.
Evidently, blowing people off trying to help him, according to various statements made here on pinside.
Just not the professional I thought I signed up with. Disappointed.
Makes Jack look like a saint. At least Jack refunded people when asked.
Quoted from Concretehardt:
John you can still turn this around and turn into a story of redemption, but understand if you keep heading down the path your on you won't be able to show your face in the pinball community ever again! Not only because you will be a ridiculed but also for your own safety, as some won't take kindly to the fact that you took their hard earned money and gave them nothing.
Just in case John misses this, worth displaying again.
Excuses, general talk, pics, reveals, blame, etc.......Still doesn't help with any answers to the tougher questions.
I would like a full refund now, please.
Will be interested in buying one later, whenever that might be, when I can play one. Very interested in buying all three, when they come out.
What has John done the 10 years before his idea to try his skill set at being a pinball manufacturer?
Quoted from PanzerFreak:
I'm just confused with how the $15k-$17k price tag is being justified? I already see what you get with a new JJP Ruby Red WOZ (or Hobbit LE / Smaug SE) for $9k, a Stern LE at nearly $8k, and a MMR LE at $8k. Where in Magic Girl and RAZA is the other $5k-$8K in parts and features?
Maybe a record number of code updates?
I kidd, I kidd.....
Might consider/look at splitting costs of a lawyer, if anybody else is following suit. Pm me.
Wish I had my refund so I could exit this thread. So simple.
Wonder how much "for the love of pinball" has cost pinheads over the years?
One of the dumbest statements made here.
"Who is going to be making these pins?"
Why, the pinball design company that specializes in restructuring companies.
Boy oh boy, am I excited.
Is today the day John has to answer the Smith lawsuit? If so, anybody hear anything?
Paranoid. Protective. Lies. Secrets. Unpaid vendors. Lack of Refunds. Shell game. Willingness to receive deposits very late in the game.
Quoted from Razorbak86:
According to the updated court docket, the Popadiuks hired Venis & Copp LLP as legal counsel for all 3 defendants.
They filed an appearance and paid their court fees on June 24th.
Venis & Copp is a small, general practice law firm in Chicago with both litigation and bankruptcy experience.
Please keep us informed!
somebody pump up the local media.
Time for action.
Still waiting on my RAZA refund.
where is that "business for dummies" picture?
Back to things JPOP, anybody file FTC yet?
Never thought about judging my pins based on how many ink lines they have.
Probably have to toss the inferior ones off the roof.
Quoted from Strange:
I still find John a very talented and unique pinball designer, my personal fave as I've expressed before. It's a shame there as been such turbulence around these new games which in my opinion have all looked amazing. If there is a will there is a way. The Pinball Inventor has nothing else to prove but make nice pin games. He will come through in the end...
Has he ever finished anything?
Quoted from toyotaboy:
His biggest downfall is delegating what he was supposed to be known for (artist), and not delegating very well where he needed help (mechanical, electrical, programming).
I would top that with his obvious egotistical pride, a lack of common business sense, and he still needs to learn plenty about pinball before going into manufacturing.
My downfall was that I believed him on his supposedly designer reputation alone, and gave him money.
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