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John Popadiuk update thread……MAGIC GIRL, RAZA, AIW…..

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Post #20523 Link to legal documents with allegations & responses Posted by DennisK (3 years ago)

Post #20526 Third amended complain document Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #20532 Summary of complaints & responses in legal documents Posted by DennisK (3 years ago)

Post #20626 MG is now ready! Posted by TecumsehPlissken (2 years ago)

Post #20631 Scott Goldberg mail on MG completion Posted by TecumsehPlissken (2 years ago)

Post #21819 Information on webpage dedicated to Magic Girl Code Features. Posted by applejuice (2 years ago)

Post #22024 moderation notice Posted by Xerico (2 years ago)

Post #22304 Photos of every page of the Magic Girl manual. Posted by vidgameseller (2 years ago)

Post #22584 Lion Saw feature information. Posted by applejuice (2 years ago)

Post #22710 Very detailed review from a game owner Posted by ShinyNick (2 years ago)

Post #22817 Details on the origin of the driver board Posted by Borygard (2 years ago)

Post #22957 Comparison photos between a MG 'prototype' and another shipped MG Posted by spfxted (2 years ago)

Post #23045 Pinball News first look review. Posted by Pinballs (2 years ago)

Post #23392 Ebay Auction for NIB Magic Girl #007 Posted by fattrain (2 years ago)

Post #23611 Key posted, but no summary given Posted by dgarrett (2 years ago)

Post #23615 Interview with Linda Deal (artist), speaking about CV and TOM Posted by toyotaboy (2 years ago)

Post #23754 The Deeproot link. Posted by pin2d (2 years ago)

Post #23946 Result of civil suit against JPOP Posted by rommy (1 year ago)

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#944 5 years ago
Quoted from Honch:

Even those of us not in on his games have a deep desire to see why there is so much secrecy in his operation.

And its been gut wrenching for those of us that have been in since the beginning. This is disposable income but trust me, when/if we get our games, we will have earned them.

#949 5 years ago
Quoted from ChadH:

If it is not for all to see then the meaning of "the lebowski effect" is not truly understood.

I disagree with JPOP's take on the Lewbowski Effect or perhaps I don't fully understand his interpretation. To me the Lewbowski Effect in this context means, under promise and over deliver. Ain't nothing new but that's what Dutch Pinball showed me.

But whatever. I spoke with John and he is really motivated by all of this. The December reveal will be a pivotal moment.

2 weeks later
#1085 5 years ago

Steve Jobs said as a developer, he always kept in mind a quote from Pablo Picasso.
“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”

#1118 5 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Perhaps the "owners" (I use that term in quotes because right now all you own is the right to bitch on a private blog) should start raising more hell again and ask for actual updates.

I suspect, however, everyone will wait for whatever time in December he's promising to show more. Perhaps he might show an insert or a ramp next.

What concern of this is yours?

Provocative comments from those standing on the sidelines serve no purpose here other than macho bluster and stir the shit. I imagine you are one of those that have a permanent seat in the peanut galley of life. And you stroke your ego by sniping at those actually participating.

Again I ask, what concern of this is yours?

#1121 5 years ago
Quoted from Redeyes:

He brought all this on himself by taking preorders for 3 pins without even coming close to finishing 1. Can anyone explain that? Better yet can he explain it!

He can not explain it adequately and he knows loud and clear this is a bone of contention. Your point is valid and JPOP knows it.

Look, please don't misunderstand my other post. I want and appreciate constructive criticism from Pinside. Much of the past criticism here I have used as my own words in some very heated conversations with JPOP.

Some of you guys on the outside are acting like the owners are just cattle standing around. Individually and now collectively JPOP is feeling the heat.

So feel free to keep the criticism coming. But knock off the keyboard boasting of what others should do or what a tough guy you'd be "if" you were in on this.

#1127 5 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

I'm calling out bullshit behavior.

As am I but I have no need of unidentified friends to back me up.

Quoted from jwilson:

The owners seem as quiet as Popaduik himself, so naturally people speculate.

Perhaps you should speak directly with your "two friends".

1 month later
#2225 5 years ago
Quoted from kaneda:

I traded up Rare...

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Quoted from kaneda:

And my new GF is super cool and thinks it's funny that people spend all day long hitting refresh and commenting on pointless threads all day long.

Quoted from kaneda:

She's right next to me laughing at this. You guys really do take yourselves way too seriously. She's 10x cooler than she is hot. And hell yeah she knows I'm immature. That's what she loves about me.

Kaneda's girlfriend picture is stolen from the internet. Several examples, here is just one.


#2232 5 years ago
Quoted from kaneda:

HAHAHAHAHA...wow...you caught me. Just one question. Where did these come from?! HAHAHAHHAHA
Cheers my friend. Happy holidays guys! What a good laugh....HAHAHHAHAHHA

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Hard to tell but that doesn't look like the same girl as in stolen internet picture to me. Curious why you would use that one from the internet.
Anyway, thanks for reminding me. I have pictures of myself taken with good natured show models that are paid to do just that.

#2240 5 years ago
Quoted from kaneda:

I can admit it. I'm the dumbest guy on the planet.

I'm pleased we could find common ground. Best wishes.

#2482 5 years ago
Quoted from sd_tom:

How are you going to see the DMD with that whole platform there?

That camera angle is poor. Its aimed low and look how far back from the players position the photographer is. I just looked at my Cirqus Voltaire with a similar set up and believe it will work.

Here's an embarrassing example of what I mean. Pictured is Bowen Kerins on the right and me (showing Karate moves I guess). Also pictured is Todd MacCulloch. I'm 5' 10" and I'll guess Bowen about the same or maybe an inch taller. Todd is an even 7 foot making him 1.2 feet taller. Pictured here it makes Bowen and I look like were 3 foot tall munchkins.

Its the camera angle combined with height difference. Todd is closest and I'm furthest away from the photographer.

I hope my explanation works with you guys. My Facebook friends haven't stopped giggling since last October.

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#2799 5 years ago


F it. I'm trying not to get sucked back into Pinside drama.

Post edited by Mr68: Reason stated in post.

#2854 5 years ago

Hey guys. Would you kindly take your Stern debate private.


#2861 5 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The debate is pertinent to Jpop paying Stern or JJP on a contract basis to produce these pins and may be the only way they ever get made. Maybe Spooky?

Ice. You guys are so far off into the weeds its unreal. Read your posting and Flynnibus's quote within it. How is any of that even remotely pertinent to Jpop paying Stern or JJP?

Quoted from iceman44:

flynnibus said:
Go back to interviews from designers in the 90s at WMS... the factory schedule ruled everything. Their job was to get the job done on time to 'feed the beast' because if the factory isn't running, no one is making any money.

How do you feed the factory? Of course they have to keep it going and with the new factory they have to expand into other lines of business, not just "contract manufacturing" for pinball machines. And that is apparently their new business model.

Stern would not have a factory or employees if they didn't "license and develop" pinball machines. That's why they employ people like Ritchie and Lyman and I'm sure Keith can speak to the days of cost cutting (about the time WOF was coming out?) when they had to trim overhead because sales and margins of pinball machines were tanking.

I can make money by billing out for Wills and Trusts, yet I need my computer to draft the documents, and I need my computer and employees to be busy, that doesn't mean that keeping my computer busy is my primary focus, its just the end result of my efforts and I add more people/capacity as my business grows. That's the easy part.

I have 8 employees and other fixed overhead. The lifeblood of my business is the "development" of new business from marketing, referrals, etc.

My question above is simply rhetorical so please don't respond or get defensive. We all can go off on tangents and I was just politely trying to reel you in.

I'm done on this subject and I hope you are as well.

#2862 5 years ago
Quoted from blimpey:

I hope he pulls through with an impressive reveal in January as expected.

Could you explain please. I thought the big reveal was December 17.

1 week later
#3007 5 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

He is a big guy.

I believe Smith and Wesson leveled that playing field.

Iceman's famous father was also a big man whom I admired greatly. I wonder what he might think of his son's yelling and insulting people here.

#3022 5 years ago
Quoted from kvan99:

From where I was sitting the insults were well earned.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not defending Ice's opponents here. All I'm saying is stylistically you lose or damage the debate when an argument turns into a shouting match.

I have a lot of money tied up in JPOP and I'll be interested in how Ice's visit goes and his report back here.

#3231 5 years ago
Quoted from TZBen:

Did the value of totan, wcs, and theater of magic just go down?

Pathetic and trolling. Good luck with your small life.

1 week later
#3509 5 years ago
Quoted from SadSack:

How about six years? How about never. You guys had all better hope jpop stays healthy and doesn't have any accidents. As far as I've read here, there is absolutely no way the project can continue if the one-man-band somehow becomes unable to "manage his artists".
The longer projects like these drag out, the more likely they are to end in abject failure. It's pretty pathetic when the playfield doesn't have a single hole drilled into it. Does JPOP even have his own CNC router to run them? I simply cannot imagine who would be willing to run these 20 to 30 piece runs at some reasonable price. Mainly because I don't think there is anyone who wants to work with this guy since he has been outed as some sort of OCD whackjob that only cares about the hinges and managing an artist.
I think all you buyers completely overestimate Jpop's ability to manage a project from inception through product delivery. Wasn't it Steve Ritchie that said he couldn't finish anything he started? Just wait until the problems of production start percolating. Who will he have to blame then? I'm predicting the MG's will get done sometime in 2016 (right around the time that RAZA owners force him to sell his IP in an involuntary BK). I also bet the gameplay will be screwed because the coding will suck. Oh, I believe RAZA will be made. It will be made by either Stern or JJP once the asset forfeiture sale goes down.
I've worked with guys like Jpop. They are good at blaming everyone around them when things go wrong and their even better at taking credit for a team effort. I bet he hardly did shit on all those pretty games that play like ass.

Wow. You're pretty worked up for a guy with nothing invested. Try de-caf.

#3512 5 years ago
Quoted from SadSack:

I'm not worked up at all. But that wouldn't be the first time you were wrong, would it?

LOL. Whatever, man.

#3595 5 years ago
Quoted from Roostking:

I don't think anyone will, or wants to see you guys not get your games, nor will we be laughing at you if you don't.

Respectfully disagree. There are many shallow minded people in this world that rejoice in the misery of others. It's not difficult to spot many of them here. If this project fails they will celebrate and boast "I told you so". And if games are delivered they'll be silent or give dishonest best wishes.

I'm paraphrasing but some of the notable Pinside quotes amount to this: "Boy are you stupid for getting involved in this doomed scam. *But hey, I hope you get your game*"

Quoted from Roostking:

We do have the right to critique jpop and the business practices.

Agreed and you seem the reasonable sort to comment, so please feel free.

#3600 5 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

I agree with you here. However, I do want to point out that some of us (like myself) have used the term "doomed" to describe John's projects, but I certainly neither blame nor wish ill-will on anyone who ordered a game from him. I don't think any of John's customers are stupid. I do doubt many of them knew John really well when they ordered (outside of his library of games) or knew his history at WMS. I really hope these games get made, but hope and belief are two different things. Bottom line though is that fault lies with John, not his customers. He made the promises, now he has to deliver.

Thanks Larry and I agree. You were not one of those I was referring to in my referenced quote. My comment was directed to the insulting Pinsiders that seem to know it all... years later with the benefit of hindsight

Off topic personal note: I've known you since 2007 (?) beginning on RGP, at Expo and here on Pinside. I know where your head and heart is and you've earned my deep respect over the years. If you tell me I'm full of shit, I'll believe you.

Your public comment was welcome but you never have to explain yourself to me.

#3700 4 years ago

She needs giant sweater puppets.

#3752 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

I will probably help Chuck with rules, write some of the script, mentor a new programmer and do dots.

While I appreciate everything you do and have done, I mostly admire your generosity.

4 weeks later
#4141 4 years ago
Quoted from DevilsTuner:

I was gone for two years. Stayed in the shadows and watched pinside turn more and more into rgp. Glad actually it just proved I was not the ultimate evil like some thought.

You were consistently way out of line two years ago and the Pinside ban was deserved in my opinion. That said I believe in second chances and sincerely welcome you back.

#4248 4 years ago
Quoted from boo32:

I can't seem to find it now in this huge thread, but wasn't there a post from a person who had visited months ago who said he played a flipping playfield that interacted with the lcd screen?

Page 26, post 1298. (From November)

#4269 4 years ago
Quoted from doghouse:

According to JPop's Facebook page he was in England on Wednesday (Lancaster, Lancashire).

Subject to interpretation. Someone linked him in a FB post is all.

>Wesley Arron Hoyle
February 25 at 6:03am ·
What an absolutely corking night at hustle last night!!
Thanks to everyone that joined us hope u had a belter!
Don't forget I'm back tonight at Yates lancaster for £1.50 drinks night !
Don't be shy give it a try!!
— with John Popadiuk and 84 others at Yates's Lancaster.<

Recently I was in China while shoveling snow in my Colorado driveway.

#4279 4 years ago

That's asutomatic

Quoted from doghouse:

I don't think someone else can add this to your profile?

Yes they can. I have some on my FB profile. It was simply friends tagging me in their updates.

Look, I'm not defending Jpop here only seeking accuracy. And stuff like this will lead Pinside to say "Jpop has fled the country!!!!"

FYI. I don't believe your comment was meant to incite anything so its all good with me.

#4288 4 years ago

I'd like those phone numbers as well please.

#4304 4 years ago

MG - RAZA - AIW owners. I've set up a private Facebook group. It's hidden and invitation only. I know many of you already and others I'll need to verify.

Good idea? I don't know. Shoot me a private email.

#4313 4 years ago

I booked flights this morning and will be arriving into Chicago day after tomorrow. This is just a hop and pop to visit John and I return the following day.

If you've not join the private Facebook group yet, I suggest that you do. Send me a PM and I'll explain how.

Again, if I don't know you, I will need to verify who you are and your participation before sending out an invitation. I do have a method of screening people and some have already tested me.

#4382 4 years ago

Note to The Big Lebowski pre-orders. Dutch Pinball heard about my trip and has kindly invited me to visit them while in Chicago. I will be extending my stay.

#4395 4 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

So, Scott Danesi's house?
Post edited by epthegeek: Removed the code comment bit, Scott told me it's fresher than Expo.

Yes. Also attending will be Bride of Pinbot, coffee liqueur *cough-Kahlua-cough-cough*, vodka and milk. I also get to find out what the No Trash Cougar means.

#4418 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I'll pass everything along as I talk to him, and it will be more than just weekly.

I object counselor.

In my opinion I think you should contact John as needed. If that's twice a month or five times a month that's fine, but as needed. I use to micromanage my people until I realized what an ass I was and how I hurt morale.

Just a suggestion.

I will also suggest that you post to our private owners group. I'm not sure what kind of updates you're going to post but once Pinside reads something, anything, those know it all, non owners are gonna smoke your keyboard.
Spill some over to Pinside on occasions if you like, but weekly updates? Your funeral my friend.

Quoted from iceman44:

Another owner, Kim from Boulder is there right now and I'm sure will chime in with his assessment as well.

I fly out tomorrow and will be reporting to the private owners group for the reasons above. I may have some spill over but doubtful. And if group members want to chat up the info publicly I have no problem with that.

#4422 4 years ago

I'm open to suggestions I guess, and I will consider your thoughts.

Iceman has a different style than I do. No judgment on that from me.
If he wants to bring my information forward now and in the future I am perfectly happy with that.

#4425 4 years ago
Quoted from wcbrandes:

Thanks Mr68 its time to get this business moving forward, not keep it in the dark. Ice has the right approach IMO and we need to hold his hand all the way to the finish line. They will be great machines he just needs help getting there

I agree and am doing a lot more than whats been posted here. Iceman and I will have private communications on the owners group and he can be the spokesperson.

#4427 4 years ago
Quoted from slapshot:

Hey Kim, I don't understand the purpose of your private Facebook site idea since John already has his private blog for us to communicate on. What's the difference?
Whatever you decide to do with your information is up to you but please keep me and other owners informed what you learn through pm's or emails since some of us have not joined your group.

Its a private place for us to cry, strategize, commiserate, laugh, whatever, without the noise of Pinside.

Edit/Add: Iceman can pass along any information from the group that he chooses. Other members are welcome to do this also.

I'm not trying to keep anybody in the dark, I just don't want the headache and prefer to work behind the scenes.

#4429 4 years ago

I hear ya about Facebook. But the group is already set up.

#4431 4 years ago

Post pictures of your food.

#4440 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

And if group members want to chat up the info publicly I have no problem with that.

Quoted from Mr68:

Iceman has a different style than I do. No judgment on that from me.
If he wants to bring my information forward now and in the future I am perfectly happy with that.

Quoted from Mr68:

Iceman and I will have private communications on the owners group and he can be the spokesperson.

What is it about my posting style that you guys are missing?

Its the owners that are going to move this project forward and I formed the group so we could strategize in private. I don't need Eggbert or some other drunk Pinsider telling us were stupid and how he would hire F. Lee Baily to sue Popaduik to high heaven. More importantly, I just don't want to play Q & A on Pinside.

Iceman is the spokesperson here and he has promised you guys weekly or bi-weekly updates.

#4444 4 years ago

Update: The secret group is posting naked pictures of Nikola Tesla and Popadiuk in a kiddy pool filled with jello.

#4466 4 years ago

The private owners group is an established success. On day two, JPOP's attorney joined the group. He is freely interacting with us and has already provided a lot of information. Much of it he provided without us even asking.

We still have a ways to go and Iceman will be doing some heavy lifting. But after last nights round table discussion my stress level has flat lined.

#4467 4 years ago

FYI. My schedule is tight and I have no time to return emails. I will get you into the group when time permits but give me a few days. Thanks

#4480 4 years ago
#4493 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

Ice said John was opening the blog, I would hope he's realizing that secrecy is just hurting him at this point.
Like I said, you want to have a private group then do it. And I guess you need to promote it here to attract people for a bit, but I hope this thread doesn't turn into "talked to Jpop's lawyer on Facebook last night about sekrit things" over and over. Because that's just going to foster ill will.

Quoted from Aurich:

No. Someone started a Facebook group and they're talking there. Whatever, fine. If you're going to talk off in private then just do it, don't talk about it here.
Jpop said he's opening the blog, according to ice, so I don't see what it has to do with anything.

I'm sorry your feelings are so hurt over this but its beginning to become weird.

#4497 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I don't even know what you're talking about. Why would I ask for this thread to be closed? You're confusing me.

I edited my quote above.

#4519 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

At the risk of pissing some people off, I will call bullshit on that one.
People have asked for refunds without success. If there was a wait list for both games, refunds shouldn't be an issue. Also, there was a thread where one of the owners was trying to sell his spot at a decent discount....nothing but crickets. If there was a wait list, why wouldn't someone on that list buy that spot at a discount?

That's a good point, Rob. I think he may be referring to the wait list of people to buy the extra games Jpop is building. And trust me, its a bone of contention for the original 19 MG owners.

#4523 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

but maybe with all the art he's done the original 19 should get like a special version of the cabinet, and the other orders don't get that art?

I just enjoy bitching... he can make as many as he likes, I just want the game. Achiever Award's are for dudes and rug pissers.

#4535 4 years ago

He's Jpop's IP attorney only.

#4605 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I didn't mean to start a fight with Kim (and we've squashed any bad vibes already) but this is what I meant about the Facebook group. I think it's great if you want to have it, but the whole aura of secrecy just fosters bad feelings.

The private owners group will remain. It has become a collective force for a lot of angry and worried people. Shit is happening right now at amazing speed. We have key players now that didn't know of one another and they met there. They each have individual influence with Popadiuk and are having a phone conference this weekend.

I have a torn rotator cuff from patting myself on the back for an idea I wasn't even sure would fly.

Quoted from Aurich:

let the public places be a place where positive energy can hopefully accumulate.

You must be talking about Bizarro World Pinside.

-Thanks for accepting my peace offering, Aurich.

#4608 4 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

I'd love to see a happy ending here for all of the long-suffering supporters.

#4625 4 years ago

I couldn't sleep and my doctor told me to take Viagra and hot chocolate at bed time. The hot chocolate is sedative and the Viagra prevents me from falling out of bed.

#4686 4 years ago

I have to comment here. I met with Jpop last Wednesday and followed with a lengthy phone call to Aaron on Friday.

Aaron is off the chart passionate about pinball and the work he does. Much of this stuff is way over my head but I know a world beater when I meet one. If he can do half of the things he told he can this project will move forward a light speed. And I believe in him.

Aaron is the man here and I reported back to the owners group exactly that.

#4705 4 years ago

Aww, I love P-Roc also and Gerry I consider a friend. I'd be torn to see any squabbling here...

#4752 4 years ago

I'm a simple man and for me it all boils down to this. I want Jpop to bust a F'ing move.

Right now Aaron has a personal relationship with Jpop that he has cultivated. Jpop told me during our conversation last week of how he personally likes Aaron and what he brings to the table. Aaron has invested a lot of his personal time in laying the ground work and has already formulated a plan. Aaron made me a believer per our conversation about all of this last Friday.

So my analyses for the straightest line, at this time in history is this: Jpop + Aaron = Results.

Edit: Aurich is way quicker on the keyboard than I am. I may have to un-friend him.

#4757 4 years ago
Quoted from ChrisVW:

...or giving the ball to the best running back in the league on the 1 yard line to win the Superbowl.

Said the man from Seattle. Bold comment my friend.

#4775 4 years ago

Note to Jpop customers not in the Facebook group.

I'm urging everyone to meet at Chicago Expo this year for an expedition to Zidware. Things have taken a positive turn but I don't like leaving things to chance and reinforcement is never a bad idea.

#4777 4 years ago

For those intending to show up in disguise.


#4782 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Yeah, Expo is OCTOBER. That's a long time from now.

That's correct. Now everybody has plenty of notice to make arrangements. I'm not sure what your issue is.

#4914 4 years ago
Quoted from fastpinball:

If it works out it will be a big win for pinball. If it doesn't, then all of us who tried to help John can meet up at Expo in the fall to share stories and the first round of beers is on me.

I will already be drunk at the bar.

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#5194 4 years ago
Quoted from wcbrandes:

If and when we find out the truth about finances

I applaud Iceman's efforts here. But do you really believe that Jpop is simply going to roll over and open his books to him? - I hope I'm wrong but I'll go on record right now and say, no he wont.

#5234 4 years ago

Iceman: Good work Doug. Your recent updates lead me to believe you have a better foothold with Jpop than I thought. I will follow up with you privately in a few days. Right now I just wanted to give you some public acknowledgment from the group. Thanks.

#5285 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

As an owner, that's where I would have lost my patience.

Expo 2014 for me.

#5324 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

John has however long the Skit-B shitstorm lasts to get his shit together.
Once they're done there, they'll move into him.

I agree and just like Predator, Big Lewboski, or any future drama, the vast majority of noise and vitriol will come from those with nothing invested. It is the state of Pinside.

Proverb: "Empty barrels always make the most noise"

#5341 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Even if we haven't ordered one of these games, we're ALL invested. When these things become shady and ultimately crash and burn like Predator, it causes a negative ripple effect throughout the whole hobby.

My comment was directed to those that post condescending insults, legal advice from Judge Judy and boast of their psychic abilities to predict the past.

It was the Big Lewboski before, Predator now, Jpop next.

#5376 4 years ago

More and more I'm beginning to realize that my writing ability to convey a point is poor. Admittedly my frustration does spill over into my comments and that does leave me open.

I appreciate a counter point and in fact have taken many comments back to Jpop as ammunition. I'll bet Doug has also. Rarehero, have you not notice the past thumbs up from me? Other people I've also agreed with even though it doesn't advance my cause.

But many of us with time, money and emotions invested feel like we're being treated like children. And were repeatedly punished with obvious comments, amateur advice and redundant insults.

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

Haters may have to hate, but ostriches...

Head in the sand, Koolaid drinkers, deniers, Jpop worshipers and the list goes on. I get it guys. We're all stupid, weak people and you believe we're doing nothing.

Arm chair quarterbacking weak on insight is much of what I read. And its double jeopardy as we battle the Jpop wall on one side and Pinside on the other.

I don't discount everybody's comments but I often feel shame and humiliation from many of you.

Quoted from RomstarArkanoid:

There are many other threads that can be read. If you can't stand a few, drain them.

I have a lot invested here, more so than someone with a keyboard and a cup of coffee. And I'm the one that should drain this thread?

So please, everyone, continue to comment as you see fit. I'll try to present my comments better and am only asking you do also.

#5491 4 years ago

My mistake. Nevermind.

#5691 4 years ago
Quoted from StevenP:

I. Will. Stop. Now.


Edit: Pinside maybe but certainly not the owners group. I will spam your email and auto dial your phone.

#5840 4 years ago
Quoted from HunchbackHodler:

Guys, the only thing right now that will light a match under John's butt is my creating a new thread in the general "All" section about him stealing money from Cointaker and GLM. A thief deserves to be (at the least) called out for it.
No one reads this thread. The mods banned me because they did not read the following:

Quoted from HunchbackHodler:

But GLM and Cointaker might not want that, I don't know.
What do you guys think?

I am astonishingly embarrassed for you.

#5919 4 years ago
Quoted from woodworker:

Maybe, but there is now a private Facebook page for the owners. They no longer have to publicly communicate their frustrations to each other in front of everybody here. I am actually glad that they have that venue to talk in private without us all pouring fuel on the fire.

Thank you saying that and understanding.

If you're a Jpop customer and interested in joining the owners group please shoot me a private email. I'll need to verify your Zidware participation and then send you an invite. We have over 40 members now but it would seem not everyone is aware of our groups existence.

One person who does know about our group is Jpop and the significance behind it. Rome wasn't build in a day but shit is happening.

#5939 4 years ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Do what I did and create a Facebook account for only this reason. Use whatever name you want and attach it to an email used for nothing else. I never use Facebook either... other than this group.

I have a fake Facebook account under my alter ego, porno name, Peter Goezenya.
Mike Hunt also seems popular...

#5941 4 years ago

I'm gonna hate myself for this one but someone should sign up as, Jay Popped.

#5977 4 years ago

He may have lost money on Predator but not a penny with Jpop.

His post here is a secondary attempt to manipulate himself into the private owners group. His first attempt failed in an embarrassing way.

You would not believe how many Pinsiders have tried to get in. This guy and Kaneda were more entertaining than most..

#5979 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Seriously? So you are saying he isn't even an owner?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm sure he'll protest.

#5995 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

So I don't personally see how legal proceedings will help anything other than permanently kill it and create some theater for the spectators of this thread. But it won't recover any money.
The key is we do not send him any more good money after bad. He's going to have to figure out a way to finance the completion of the games that doesn't include more money from us, he's lost that privilege.

I cannot emphasize enough the solid reasoning behind this statement. Frolic understands perfectly the *real world* situation we are presently in.

Under those real world parameters, what helpful suggestions might Pinside have for us?

#5999 4 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

You are 100% totally WRONG.
He is 100% legit.
If you are so confident I will wager you $100

I'll take that wager.

All he need do is send me proof of his Magic Girl ownership. He already knows how to do this from our email exchange.

If you agree say so now and I will give him one week from today to do what should take him 5 minutes via an email.

Quoted from Pinballs:

I've lost $4.75k on Predator, and $20k+ on MG and RAZA.

#6009 4 years ago

Can we please stop with the talk about jail or criminal charges. This is a civil matter. It would be a fools errand for any DA to purse criminal charges.

#6058 4 years ago
Quoted from s1500:

I'm amazed with the amount of sympathy he still gets from all of this.

Prove that statement. Show us in recent months where this amazing amount of sympathy for Jpop is.
What a crock of shit.

#6059 4 years ago
Quoted from s1500:

I'm amazed with the amount of sympathy he still gets from all of this. It's like saying the grifter's lucky that we gave him the $ in a duffel bag that fits in the overhead compartment of his private jet.
We just need to keep "hope". Unless "Hope" is the name of a judge who's doing a court order to give out refunds, nothing's going to change. I thought iceman gave John a kick in the pants to change it for the better.

#6061 4 years ago

That may be, Froloc, but the overwhelming content of your comments have been critical of Jpop. And one person does not make a crowd. I will add that your critical comments here and on the blog have been spot on.

What he posted is Pinside drivel.

#6065 4 years ago
Quoted from dkpinball:

I'm thinking that these are some of the cheerleaders.


Excellent point. I was viewing the comment from the owner's perspective, which we are pissed off, and based on Pinside comments only. Those cheerleaders I believe are on the outside fringe of this controversy.

#6068 4 years ago
Quoted from dkpinball:

I'm thinking that these are some of the cheerleaders.


I'm actually nauseous reading those cheerleading comments. I quit reading that blog long ago. Today is going to be a long freaking day.

#6177 4 years ago

It's 16K each and he has collected from 19 people. Additional buyers are on a waiting list with nothing invested. Total limited to 50. At this time...

#6191 4 years ago

I’m pretty creative at problem solving and I’m fairly knowledgeable about business and finance. So yesterday I spent some time Googling crowdfunding and taxes. I need to verify this with my CPA but I like what I found. In brief, losing money in a crowdfunding deal is a legal tax deduction just like any investment loss. And for any tax bracket.

Here are two notable paragraphs cut and pasted.

"The Tax Implications of Equity Crowdfunding in the U.S.
Crowdfunding is a term used often in the startup space. Depending on the context in which it is used, it refers broadly to crowd-sourcing donations, securing financial contributions for a start-up in exchange for perks, pre-sale of a development-stage product in order to finance production, or a general solicitation for the sale of equity interest in a startup organization

"B. Capital Losses
Capital losses are realized when an equity stake in a company is sold for less than its original purchase price or the company in question declares bankruptcy. The shareholder can write off short or long-term capital losses, depending on the life of the organization in question or the duration for which the shares were held. Short and long-term are measured by the same standards for losses as they are for gains.
If capital loss is greater than net capital gain in a given year, up to $3,000 of the net loss can be offset against regular income in order to reduce tax exposure. If your capital loss exceeds $3,000 or your taxable income without the capital loss deduction is less than zero, you may carry the deduction over to the next year. Capital gains and losses should be reported on Schedule D of IRS Form 1040

You can read the entire article here. http://www.lawforchange.org/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=6362

Now I don’t want Jpop to go tits up on this. My first choice at this point would be a refund so I can get off this roller coaster. My second choice would be delivery of a fully functional machine. But as a disaster recovery I see great satisfaction here.

As always, I never mind being proven wrong and I love to learn. So please feel free to dispute my findings. - Any CPA’s have a clue here?

#6193 4 years ago

I haven't a clue about that and always depend on my CPA for the fine print details.

Edit/Add: In re-reading the description of crowdfunding, I don't think so. It seems to be treated as an investment.

Quoted from Mr68:

it refers broadly to crowd-sourcing donations, securing financial contributions for a start-up in exchange for perks, pre-sale of a development-stage product

#6207 4 years ago
Quoted from TecumsehPlissken:

NOW I am left with the idea of discussing a possible tax right off for "2015" with my C.P.A

Let's wait for the fat lady to sing. I was only presenting a possible rescue plan. And a pretty decent one I think. Until someone shoots it down, I find comfort in it.

#6217 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Oh you definitely can make that argument and drop it on the return. I wouldn't want to get audited though. The IRS is so F ed up right now they can't even answer taxpayer phone calls.
You can also say that Jpop is so disorganized that he just never got around to issuing the LP units and the K-1's every year and as a minuscule "crowd funding" LP interest owner you just never realized it, all you ever really cared about was getting your "future profits". The dumb sumbitch never sent me my LP units or K-1's, what can I say!
We could make him go back retroactively, amend all of his returns, admit that this whole thing really was just a "crowdfunded sham" that went wrong.

I try to minimize stress in my life and that would be like the Sword of Damocles. No thanks.

#6292 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Lots of righteous indignation but not a lot of action.
At this point I'm more frustrated with you owners not taking a more active role in getting action than I am with Popaduik. Maybe the super-sekrit club house on Facebook should organize a get-together at Zidware and make some demands in person.
But I guess everyone is too busy? Or can't be bothered?
That's how Popaduik wins and continues to dick around with your million dollars without a care in the world.

Maybe you should talk about things you're fully informed on.

#6295 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

How's that private group working out? Are you getting anywhere?
Doesn't sound like it from here.

Its call private for a reason.

#6316 4 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

I wonder if JPOP's wife knows he's effing hundreds of people out of thousands of dollars each?

I think its probably best she be left out of the discussion.

#6326 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

XXXXXXXXX- John's cell
Maybe others can try and reach him as well. Not that he'll answer but at least you can make your sentiments known via message or text.
Somehow, some way, he's going to have to hand these projects off to somebody else that will take them and run with it. The sooner the better. That's the only glimmer of hope in my mind, and its a very faint glimmer at that.

Nice Doug. That phone will be disconnected by tomorrow from random Pinsiders abusing it. You just screwed those of us who needed it.

#6328 4 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

I've been waiting to see if u would post that... My suggestion is just lots of texts!!! But I don't own a throw away phone

Top ten all time cowardly post.

#6336 4 years ago

That's not the point. Iceman just threw a match on a volatile situation.

#6345 4 years ago

**"I've been waiting to see if u would post that... My suggestion is just lots of texts!!! But I don't own a throw away phone"**

I see you edited your post. That's you original comment. A throw away phone is what I called cowardly.

#6348 4 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

Texting him is harrasment...I don't own a throw away phone means I'm not doin it!

What Jpop game are you paid on?

#6361 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

If anybody wants the number just email me.
I'd like to know why we have to protect his secrecy? That's kind of a joke isn't it.

Well, Pinside loves its drama so here we go. I've been quiet about this but no more.

Let’s begin with Iceman posting Jpop’s phone number on Pinside. The owners already have this number and it’s available on his web page. So what was his purpose? In my opinion he only wanted to incite the crowd. He wants people with no financial interest in this project harassing Jpop. Flood him with text messages was an immediate suggestion posted here from an outsider. And with a throw down phone. This boggles my mind.

For what purpose, why is Iceman doing this? Because Jpop cut him off and his ego is hurt. He’s acting immature and this is nothing but spite.

How do you guys feel being manipulated by this man to do his bidding? Are you incapable of independent thought?

Now we come to why Jpop cut him off and if you go back in this thread you can find my quote where I predicted he’d fail. According to Jpop, Iceman was phoning him intoxicated. Repeatedly calling and when not getting through leaving inebriated voice messages. Things eroded quickly as you can imagine.

So what have I done behind the scenes while Iceman has been grandstanding here on Pinside?

I flew to Chicago a month ago and met with Jpop face to face as representative of the owners group. This was a very uncomfortable meeting for Jpop I promise you. I don’t yell but I’m direct and forceful. Last week I file a complaint with the Illinois Attorney General. This past Tuesday Jpop was served with my demand letter via courier, signature required.

**Note to Jpop. I hope you're reading this cuz I'm just getting started.

Iceman has only made phone calls and then brag on Pinside his version of events.
There’s more I could reveal but I think you have the gist of things.

It’s fine with me if you guys want to follow him and believe him to be a hero. But you might want to look closely at who your leader is.

Edit/Add Post 6389 below:

Quoted from Mr68:

I'm withdrawing my official complaint against Jpop and will excitedly continue on with Magic Girl and RAZA.
I cannot and will not explain further. No private emails please.

#6365 4 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I've had someone tell me he doesn't even respond to certified letters, just throws them in the trash. Unless it's court ordered something, I believe John feels like its a free world he doesn't need to respond.

That could be but that's out of my control. Establishing a paper trail and documenting everything is what matters at this point.

#6390 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I flew to Chicago a month ago and met with Jpop face to face as representative of the owners group. This was a very uncomfortable meeting for Jpop I promise you. I don’t yell but I’m direct and forceful. Last week I file a complaint with the Illinois Attorney General. This past Tuesday Jpop was served with my demand letter via courier, signature required.

I'm withdrawing my official complaint against Jpop and will excitedly continue on with Magic Girl and RAZA.

I cannot and will not explain further. No private emails please.

#6404 4 years ago
Quoted from rosh:

Regardless, I find that you making the first post which was ripping on others and telling folks to be careful of who they follow, and talking big of how you are going after jpop, and then posting something along the lines of "I'm 100% in and don't ask why", as being flippant and disingenuous.
IMO, it would have been better if you just left the thread then make a post like that.

I agree with you. It was an impulse comment I made and I regret posting.
My sincere apology to all and I will try to be more careful in the future.

#6408 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

so much so he doesn't even want to reveal his big news to other owners,

Owners group has been informed and I have already apologized for that comment.

Quoted from Mr68:

I agree with you. It was an impulse comment I made and I regret posting.
My sincere apology to all and I will try to be more careful in the future.

#6461 4 years ago

This will be the first thread I've ever drained or hidden on Pinside. I have too many regrets both past and present. Especially today. To those of you I have offended, I apologize and that includes you Iceman.

Whether I was right or wrong, I spoke from my heart and with the best knowledge I had. And some times I spoke from anger.

It’s sad the way we all tear into one another on here when we’re supposed to be kindred spirts. I felt so smug this morning posting my long winded comment and even my follow up comment reversing course. Now I’m just disappointed in myself.

I've also resigned from the private owners group and they will continue on without me.

Time for me to step away and evaluate my behavior. Sincere best wishes to all.

#6565 4 years ago

Hi guys, I’m only temporarily back in this thread and will most likely drain myself again later. I would have been back sooner but I had to ask the moderators to instruct me on how to undo my drain. I also wanted to see how this would play out.

Prior to draining myself in this thread you may remember I posted how I was done with Jpop/Zidware. Later on I reversed course and (inappropriately) posted how I was staying in with Jpop.

In between those two postings I received a private message. The first message you will read was titled "WISH YOU HAD BEEN MORE PATIENT" with a smiley face as the message. This was in response to my first comment of being done and dropping out on Jpop.

It’s almost as if he's gloating that I'm going to miss out on something.

My response to him as you read further was: *"Did you read my last post. "*. The post I was referring to was the second one where I said I had changed my mind and was staying in on Jpop. You can follow the conversation from here. (I have removed the screen shot and replaced it with the text.)

Deeproot: Yes and not happy. We are doing something the pinball world has never seen before and all I needed was the people involved to keep quiet. It seems (from your sudden change in tune) that JPop did not respect that wish. I don't know what you were told but I request that you keep it quiet and I will make it worth your while down the road. We have and are actively monitoring all public boards and intend to take action against those who have equally flaunted their own covenants with Zidware.

That'll be the short of it until we are ready to make everything public.


Mr68: So your threatening me?

First of all, I don't respond well to threats. Especially from an unidentified individual. Secondly, the Zidware contract has been voided in so many ways its unenforceable.

That said I'm a man of my word and I know how to be confidential. If you'd like to begin this conversation over again I'd be please to do so. And you will find me very pleasant to deal with.

Other than that we don't have much to talk about.

The ball is in your court and I hope to hear back from you.

Deeproot: The comment you are referring to was not directed at you.

Regards, dT

Edit: I was warned the image could have some personal information so I've taken it down.

#6571 4 years ago
Quoted from notaflyingtoy:

But hey man don't pull out of this thread. I have really appreciated your point of view even when I don't agree.

I appreciate that but I'm approaching burn out. The last few days I've made some stupid mistakes here and on the the owners group. This shit is taking a toll on my personal life.

But thank you for the kind thought.

#6573 4 years ago

Before some of you condemn Jpop for working with Kaneda consider Kaneda is merely a sycophant. At least that's my view of him.

#6577 4 years ago

John, I have no proof Jpop is or isn't working with Kaneda. I worded my comment poorly.

#6599 4 years ago

I need some thumbs up so I'm calling my second account Aurich


#6610 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I seriously doubt that this is a case where JPop sought out the services of Kaneda. I'd guess quite the opposite: Kaneda probably started sending messages to John telling him how he could help him out with marketing. Probably didn't cost JPop a penny, which is right up his alley.

Bingo. Head of the class!

#6719 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Has anybody tried selling their pre-order spot?

Yes. Four months ago I found a buyer for Magic Girl. I had two buyers wanting it actually. In a comedy of errors it took Jpop 3.5 months to get the contract to the buyer I decided to go with. That would be 3.5 months of me calling and emailing Jpop to perform a simple task.

When the new buyer finally got the contract he didn't like the terms and expected me (as the seller) to go back to Jpop and negotiate the contract flaws. AFTER THREE AND A HALF MONTHS of me dealing with Jpop in Wonderland!!!

I politely declined, he misread one of my email comments and accused me of trying to scam him.

In the meantime, my other buyer bought someone else's Magic Girl spot. I'm not going to name anyone but both of them follow this thread.

#6755 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

It was such a hit, they could hardly give them away when they first came out. But at least there wasn't much of a wait if you wanted one.

Please don't forget the code on CV was terrible in 1997 when the game first arrived at arcades. This was also a dying era of pinball prior to Williams closing this division a mere two years later. When Cirqus Voltaire was born, video was killing the pinball star.

Long after Williams ceased production of CV, some brilliant and generous person released the home roms and made this game a classic in my opinion.

The only thing I don't like is some of the video modes which I simply cancel out of by hitting both flipper buttons. I even like the artwork which many people call gay. Another reason people hate it which disturbs me on a different level.

Enough said.

#6757 4 years ago
Quoted from nintendo:

Just curious, how bad what the CV code prior to the home rom? I own a CV and have the recent home rom which is great but never played one with the old code. What was missing or incomplete?

Ouch, that's gonna be a complex answer and I don't feel qualified to respond. Anyone else?

I will only say, don't look back.

#6766 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

greatest pinball ever

That would be an EM, right?

#6898 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I'm thinking that almost none of the current owners would agree to this unless it is shown that JPop has some type of investor that will basically be taking over the project.

Majority of owners are already behind this idea should it happen.

#6910 4 years ago
Quoted from notaflyingtoy:

But is Jpop behind this idea? Would he ever be?

He already is and has spoken about it for a long time now.

Quoted from notaflyingtoy:

John seems to not be able to accept help, yet is waiting for someone to magically swoop in to save the day.

John Popadiuk lives in a magical world. - I mean that in the worst way.

#6983 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

win a judgement.

Thats the easy part and costs $$$. Collecting the judgment is a whole new nightmare. It then becomes a question of throwing good money after bad.

Quoted from jonnyo:

Anyone sent him a certified letter with return receipt demanding a refund?

Yes, I did and simultaneously filed a complaint with the Illinois State Attorney General. Nothing but stonewalling since and I now envision him hunkered down in the Zidware Oval Office composing an enemy's list.

#6988 4 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

What happened with this?
Are you back on board the jpop stinks train?

I appreciate your question but I'll have to let my recent comments speak for themselves. There are reasons for my flip flopping but I've embarrassed myself enough in this thread in doing so. - I hope at least a few here will understand. Thanks

#7039 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Normally I'd redact that...but it is so pertinent I'm going to let it stay. Another mod may not agree as it does have personal identification info

How is this pertinent to Pinside? Please explain. As a disgruntled Jpop customer I have had this document saved on my computer for months now. Over a year maybe along with a lot of other documentation. And I have it available to the owners group.

Yes, this is open information but posting it to a public forum smacks of vigilantism and its totally unnecessary. This is another reason why Pinside is so disgraceful and now we have a moderator condoning this lowbrow behavior.

#7217 4 years ago
Quoted from zombieyeti:

Hello all - I'm the artist on JPOPs 'recent' machines - I haven't heard for him in a few weeks and started doing some diggin which led me here - can someone summarize what is going on? thanks in advance!

Pinside has an email feature, upper right hand comer by your name and avatar. I've just sent you my phone number and strongly encourage you to call me.

#7238 4 years ago
Quoted from rai:

Forgive me but how can we believe you are Yeti?

He is who he says he is. I just got off the phone with him and he is joining the owners group.

1 month later
#10699 4 years ago

I've been asked by Pinballs to return to this thread to verify his participation as a Jpop buyer. And I'm glad to do just that.

It was long over due but this morning he finally sent me proof via private email. Now that I have validation I've also accepted him in joining the private owners group on Facebook.

Welcome, John. I know Facebook is a pain in the ass but the more of us the better.

1 week later
#12943 4 years ago

Magic Girl on the road to Tacoma WA. for the NW Pinball show this weekend.

#13115 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

For those of you haven't read about it yet, several Predator pre-orderers appear to be receiving refunds to their paypal accounts. Prior to this, some were successful with charge-backs through their credit cards, but now it appears that Skit-B is actually processing the refunds. Fingers crossed everyone gets made whole, and though it's not related to jpop, maybe there's still hope of people getting some money back.

Apples and oranges.

#13430 4 years ago
Quoted from TecumsehPlissken:

I have wondered why you & Mr68 always seem to be soooooo quick to doubt Real owners & quickly scrutinize their claims ?? Edit I meant VW not Rommy even though I quoted his post

Because I've had several Pinsiders try to bullshit their way into the private owners group.
It's pathetic how desperate some people are to butt into other people's business.

Pinballs had been verified by the way.

#13552 4 years ago

It's flawed thinking but human nature to view life and judge others from their own personal situation. If they can't afford a $16000 game then nobody can or should. Or there must be only a very few buyers and they must be stupid.

There are a lot of wealthy people, even in the pinball world, who will think differently than you.

#13561 4 years ago
Quoted from Manic:

No it's just most are too polite to point out that it's people simply speculating and hoping for a big payout..."wow only 19 made - it'll be worth 40k a month after they are delivered!".

That's the past. I'm talking about the new the Pintasia deal people are negatively commenting about.

Oh, and I disagree about people being polite here. Lol.

#13723 4 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Well I guess the good news is should Pintasia bring a programmer onboard now, he would have two years to produce the software. Game can ship with COMPLETE CODE.
Bill is beginning to capture my attention.

Pintasia already has a plan for the programming. And I have a programmer with tons of experience that has volunteered if needed.

The way the community has come together now that Popadiuk is out is amazing. And I know additional people could be assembled to help in various ways.

#13813 4 years ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Curious why someone that has paid for either of these machines hasn't brought a receipt and law enforcement to claim them.

#13814 4 years ago

duplicate deleted

#14010 4 years ago
Quoted from CubeSnake:

WoW......just wow. This thread is an excellent study of human nature. It's got everything...greed, anger, pride, pathos, pity, envy....just name it.

You forgot alcohol. And Otis.


#14103 4 years ago
Quoted from ZenTron:

Yea, on this forum that's impossible to enforce though. I assume thats why there is a private facebook group..

That's exactly why the owners group was formed on Facebook. We needed a reasonable environment away from the Pinside noise to strategize. And even though members will disagree with one another we don't have to sift through paranoid speculation or non-owners yelling. Or the redundancy of drive by commentators.

And despite Iceman's obsession in personally discrediting me at every chance, he flat out lied when he recently said the group has failed. I will repeat that for clarity, Iceman lied.

The group is doing very well and has grown in population each week. Bill Brandes of Pintasia is there and so are vendors that worked with Jflop. We are getting as complete and accurate picture as possible and we can discuss things in a rational manner. Good things are happening there and I expect that to continue.

If you're a Popadiuk victim I encourage you to join us. Strength in numbers.

Send me a private message. I will instruct you on sending proof and how to proceed.

#14112 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

Unfortunately, that group also appears to be devoid of people who saw what you guys didn't see."

On what do you base this? Please state your proof. Or is this more Pinside "facts"

#14116 4 years ago
Quoted from Crazybanana:

Does anyone even know where the actual MG prototype #1 is going?

Yes. Work on the machine continues. It is presently on its way or most probably already arrived at another volunteers location. It did not go with Bill and these ridiculous conspiracy theories really need to end.

#14278 4 years ago

Right now we are in a wait and see on Pintasia. And for me personally, I'm burned out and I have my real life to attend to.
There is no secondary group, Rommy.

#14343 4 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

Kim I can't imagine. I have been friends with you for years. I remember your excitement about Jpop and I was freaking out loving the BHZA idea looking over every detail on the website.
All of the extra kicks in the gut must be giving you an ulcer.

Nah, I'm burned out on running the owners group, behind the scenes efforts, private emails, phone calls and such. Battling Pinside is the most taxing.

Some of the guys here are so arrogant and insensitive with their know it all comments. I keep reminding myself that each one of you has made a bad decision or two. Or a hundred... Nobody's perfect, even Warren Buffet has had his share of failures. And yet many of you sit in judgment seemingly oblivious to your own past misfortune. Or at least that's the way many of you come off.

And the chronic posters that live here make me believe they must lead such tiny lives. The only satisfaction they get is gossiping about other peoples misfortune and judging them. Or boasting of how something like this could never happen to them. The unspoken hypocrisy is thick in this thread.

And the redundancy, oh my gawd, the redundancy here.

I'm actually at peace with the lost money and have been for a while now. It was hobby money and its been gone for 4 years or so. It's loss has zero effect on my lifestyle or my family. And I don't mean to sound cavalier about losing a lot of money. I intend to hound John Popadiuk into the poor house. But I'll do on my terms and not based on any of the moronic suggestions in this thread.

FYI. Over 14,000 comments in this thread and I cannot recall a single one of them that I found helpful to the owners.
(The term "Owners" for all of you witty critics, is a euphemism. Good grief)

Rant off.

#14386 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I didn't "lie" about anything re the "private forum group" being "dead". When I signed up for it and then left it, I did it because I didn't like the "private" nature of it.

That's not how I remember things going down but I don't see any reason to argue about it.

Quoted from iceman44:

You also did a good thing when you flew to Chicago to find out what the heck was going on a few months ago.

Thank you. About the only thing I learned was John Popadiuk is a liar face to face, one on one.

Quoted from iceman44:

I'll wish you nothing but good fortune and success in the future. Maybe one day we can have a positive/happy conversation about pinball.

I appreciate the peace offering and accept. Meet me at Expo for a mano a mono drinking contest. I'll have whiskey and you can have your usual umbrella drink.

Let the bromance begin.

#14391 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

...You're comparing the people who pre-ordered MG/RAZA/AIW to Warren Buffet?

Yes I am. Its human to make mistakes and we are all human.
Like the mistake you made in not understanding that point.

#14478 4 years ago

PDXMonkey has more credibility and respect from me than all of you sideline standing guttersnipes put together. He has gone above and beyond in his efforts to salvage this project for everyone. Things even the owners group on Facebook are unaware of.

I'm not going into detail but he has found out the hard way about trusting someone he thought was his friend.

And someone else posted a long detailed review many months ago in this thread about playing Magic Girl. I may be able to find it but I'm not going to spend all day.

I am proud to say that PDXMonkey is my friend. A new friend that I have gotten to know very well through out this ordeal.

#14481 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

He NEVER had the capacity to produce those machines.. not since day one.
Most of the community here realized it, but you all didn't want to listen to your peers, friends and fellow enthusiasts, so y'all shut yourself off in a private sphere told yourself how awesome this was going to be.

So you're telling me that I was warned and had all of this present day information four years ago. And I'm so stupid that I went ahead anyway. What a complete crock of shit.

Yours is delusional thinking using the benefit of hindsight.

#14494 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

And you call me delusional?


Quoted from PinballHelp:

I won't waste any more time trying to be the voice of reason here.

Thank you.

2 months later
#17221 4 years ago

I’ve been vacationing from this thread and thought I’d poke my head in to see what great advice I can glean from the geniuses of Pinside.

So some of you believe we should take time off from our busy lives and travel hundreds of miles to begin a campaign of harassing the news media. Wow, that sounds neat-o and so simple and quick to do.

Here’s an amusing but possible scenario.

- Hi guys, the police warned both of you yesterday to no longer come within 500 feet of our establishment.

(Man wearing Stern t-shirt holding a cardboard sign “Where’s the Code”)
– "Listen Mr. Reporter, John Popadiuk stole our money and we demand a feature story!”

– "Yeah, you told us that every days since last week. We Googled Popadiuk and all we could find is he’s some kind of “Peen-ball” designer".

(Man wearing MMR t-shirt with cardboard sign that reads "Lost on Predator and all I got was this lousy T-shirt")
– "Yeah!!!, Popaduik stole our money!"

(Reporter)- "How much?"

(Stern T-shirt guy) - "$10,000 !!!"

(Reporter) - "Umm, that’s not exactly Bernie Madoff money is it…."

(Stern t-shirt guy take a swig of schnapps from pint in back pocket)
– “Yeah but there’s more than a hundred victims he stole from!!”

(Reporter) - "Uh yeah but I only see you two guys with card board signs. And Bernie Madoff had over 3 million victims worldwide, so again not feeling the excitement here"

(Reporter) – "Look guys, go home. We’ve got a story to do about a woman who lives with 300 cats and her husband was abducted by a UFO."


FYI: I flew to Chicago months ago and confronted Popadiuk. After that I allowed some events to play out and then turned everything over to an attorney in Chicago. We are now proceeding through the court system.

Of course I wish to legally prevail but quite frankly I’ll simply wait and let my lawyer handle the dirty work. If I never see a penny, I have no problem in throwing good money after bad to make a point. It is after all, my money to spend as I see fit.

And I don't need your sympathy nor advice.

In the meantime I’ve gone back to my life and things are pretty damn good.

#17227 4 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Is JPop talking to anyone at all at this point?

The way he has shut out so many people that I know, my instincts tell me he has gone full Nixon, oval office seclusion, 1972.

- "I'm am not a crook"

#17259 4 years ago
Quoted from Pinballs:

In hindsight, I wish the pinball insiders who knew what he's like (even as a pinball designer and nil else he nearly buggered up his projects) had bothered to tell us chumps these facts, as I wouldn't then have touched this flake with a bargepole.

According to Pinside (in this thread) EVERYBODY knew Popaduik was a flake in advance INCLUDING US!!! But we were so stupid and greedy we proceeded anyway....

A judgmental Pinside, with the benefit of hindsight, making hateful, inaccurate comments about fellow collectors is my frustration.

Popadiuk is a grease stain on the bottom of my shoe.

#17274 4 years ago
Quoted from Honch:

Whatever happened to his best bud, StevenP?

I can speak to that as Steve and I worked together behind the scenes trying to salvage this fiasco.

In brief he was also duped. And Steven's disappointment was the worst kind. He believed and trusted his friend only to discover that things were not as he was led to believe. And if any of you out there has ever been betrayed by a friend you can understand the disappointment and confusion that goes with it. I'm out the money but in some respects, Steven has lost more.

Heres another thing I learned from all of this. John Popadiuk is not only a liar but he uses and manipulates people. Uses everybody it seems and he's very good at it.

The lost money is simply a way of keeping score. Popadiuk's real crime is being a horrible human being.

Note to John Popadiuk: Just so you know this isnt some anonymous poster on Pinside. My real name is Kim Mitchell and you know who I am. See you in court.

(Edit) Figuratively "see you in court". My attorney will be there but I'm not going to waste my time.

#17328 4 years ago

In the hierarchy of failure, some of us look down on you Alice in Wonderland people.


#17405 4 years ago

Oh my gawd, I quit reading his blog 6 or 8 months ago. Maybe longer... Why in the world would I waste my time ranting to the deaf, dumb and blind? The only time I think about Popadiuk is when I come to this thread for my dose of insults from the peanut gallery.

You guys still read his drivel??

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad some of you are still reading and posting there. But I'm a big believer that actions speaks louder than words and that's why I'm suing him.
- Get on an airplane and go confront him at his shop as I did. Chicago Expo is coming up???

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

Bravo; my biggest surprise is 100 people have not already posted sentiments to this effect on the blog (or wherever John can see) already!

Bravo; Way to once again snipe from the sidelines with a uninformed generalization.

#17406 4 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Some tax write-off advice popped up on RGP for folks who lost money on JPOP:

Thank you for posting this. I will follow up with my CPA.

Quoted from iceman44:

Oh I'm definitely writing this off on my tax return.

How is it is a CPA, lawyer and financial consultant didn't already know this?

#17408 4 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Just stating it for the record Kim. That mitigates the loss somewhat, and partly why I don't care about suing him. There are enough plaintiffs taking their swings at him and I wish all the best to you guys and I hope you hammer his ass.

Nice Doug, that was a welcomed response and I am really warming up to you. I kinda regret posting it now...

#17413 4 years ago
Quoted from Pinballs:

I hope you're not saying readers of this thread are deaf, dumb and blind?

I think you misread my comment. Here it is again.

Quoted from Mr68:

Why in the world would I waste my time ranting to the deaf, dumb and blind?

I'm saying Jpop is deaf, dumb and blind and I'd rather spend my energy in other directions than pounding on my keyboard.

Quoted from Pinballs:

I certainly would not confront him (without witnesses anyway). He calls the police and says I assaulted him.

When I confronted him I didn't stick my finger in his chest and breath fire. And thats not what I'm suggesting. Be direct, calm and act like an adult... Thats what I did.

But I'm glad you brought that up as I'd like to retract that suggestion. It's a much more hostile environment now than when I confronted him pre lawsuit.

#17429 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

LOL this thread has gone on so long we need to routinely have a montage/flash-back to remind ourselves of the epic journey...
Mr68 said:
According to Pinside (in this thread) EVERYBODY knew Popaduik was a flake in advance INCLUDING US!!! But we were so stupid and greedy we proceeded anyway....
A judgmental Pinside, with the benefit of hindsight, making hateful, inaccurate comments about fellow collectors is my frustration.
Popadiuk is a grease stain on the bottom of my shoe.
I think you know that's not true. In fact, when he first made his announcements almost everybody on pinside was cheering like WWII ended.
Someone should dig up the original threads. I know I was one of the very few who was skeptical of the whole deal from the beginning: no design team, making people to sign a NDA? I was viciously attacked for being a "hater." I can't remember if my stuff is still up or I edited it down after I was ganged up on. I know I steered clear of Pinside for quite awhile after that. There were a few people skeptical of the deal from the beginning, but there was a much greater wave of sycophants who didn't want to hear any voices of reason -- and that's what it was -- it wasn't like we were psychics. I'm not special. The writing was on the wall in the beginning. Making people sign a NDA was a huge warning sign. Not revealing the design and production team was another. Crazy how nobody wanted to talk much about that.
In the same "voice of reason" vein is my frustration over people who seem to think somehow they can reason with John and get him to magically reverse this course that it appears everyone who had personal dealings with him knows is pathological. Why bother worrying whether he apologizes or not? Even if he did, it would be meaningless. He has no intention of "making things right" with his customers unless someone else does it for him.

Quoted from PinballHelp:

It's really tiring, this argument you keep using that nobody is allowed to have an opinion unless they can solve everybody's problems instantly.
What kind of "justice" is this civil case going to accomplish?
If you look all around the world, any place where there were people hurting or defrauding others, it wasn't an isolated incident. It was usually an ongoing pattern. People who take advantage of others will continue to do so until they are stopped. Every time someone is victimized, they have a choice: turn the other cheek and let it go, or stand and fight and try to keep the person from causing more harm to others. People that are attacked in "civil" proceedings rarely go on to be upstanding citizens later. They just wiggle out of the mess, and then move onto another scheme. Look at all the companies all around the world that do bad things to people - and they get fined... and then they go about their business. If those CEOs did jail time, things would stop. There's a big difference between civil justice and criminal justice. Just something to think about... and those who were victimized are at a point where they can make a choice. It's their choice to make. Not mine. Whether you like it or not, this is something that people do need to be made aware of if we as a community don't want to see these things continue to repeat themselves.
It's just something to think about. It's another perspective to the issue and the conversation.
One reason why this mess got so bad is because people like you Rommy, attacked anyone who didn't espouse your specific viewpoint. You shut out other perspectives. Customers retreated into a little private bubble and stroked each other on the back about how awesome the deal was, and refused to listen to other peoples' opinions. You're still doing it. Perhaps you should try something different and you might get different results?
The same thing goes for JPop. He closes himself off to anyone and anything that doesn't support his position. And he demonizes anyone with whom he disagrees. There seems to be a lot of misunderstandings all over the place over who thinks who is at fault, and it is exacerbated by the fact that nobody wants to hear what anybody else thinks...

What I was talking about was the "I told you so" people posting after the fact. The ones that jumped on the bandwagon after Popaiuk began missing deadlines. They come here and post insults now as if they knew all along as you're currently doing. Yes there were some doubters like Rarehero that posted skeptical comments from the beginning. I read them and they were calm speculation. Much of it was about the game being too expensive and how they could never afford it. Certainly not the name calling and insults that goes on now.

Good for you if you were really one of them but I sure don't remember you. Popadiuk began this in 2011. Do you have any of your quotes from then or 2012-13?

Also, Pinside is chock full of opinions, rumors and misinformation is it not. - But according to you, I should of thought back then, "Hey, that anonymous guy, PinballHelp in New Orleans is really God and I better worship him"


Let me tell you a true story and it most likely clouded my judgment with Popadiuk in the beginning.

Many years ago the internet was on fire with warnings to stay away from Big Bang Bar and Illinois Pinball. When Pigs Fly was the often chanted quote. Every screaming insult imaginable was posted on RGP and else where along with great predictions of failure. There were less than 150 buyers and the remainder of the pinball world was seemly against them. It was considered fact back then that these machine would never be made.

In 2007 I received a new in box Big Bang Bar. And not just any BBB but one of only 19 prototypes and the only one Illinois Pinball made in purple armor. Pictures of my BBB can be seen on the pinball database. Each picture of the machine is verified as a prototype and identified by my name, Kim Mitchell.

Here's a link: http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=big+bang+bar&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#5244

Home use only and I still have it today.


I checked your Pinside profile. I see you don't own a BBB nor have you ever owned one. Using the logic that many people in this thread have used, I will conclude that you're stupid for not having gotten in on the BBB deal.

#17446 4 years ago
Quoted from Methos:

That is exactly what fuels the pre-order business model, and with great reward comes great risk.

Agreed. Thanks for re-wording what I said. Obviously you missed the larger point I was making.

Quoted from Methos:

Some of my investments have lost money lately, am I a victim?

If you gave money to your stock broker and lost in the market, no. If you gave money to your stock broker and he put it in his pocket, yes.

#17447 4 years ago

Hi all

Just a quick programming note and then I promise we’ll get right back to the insults of how feeble minded, and spineless myself and fellow J-Floppers are.

Some of you know that Iceman and I have locked horns a time or two. Or three... Recently I took an unnecessary shot at him and later regretted doing so. So I sent him a private apology which he graciously accepted. I’ve come to learn that the man has more personal depth than I gave him credit for. - And I appreciate his understanding.

Anyway, I like being upfront about things and thought I’d post that as an FYI. Disregard if that pleases you. - Programming note over.

OK. I'll now return this thread to all of you Minority Report precogs and your obtuse, condescending and pretentious ramblings.

#17463 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

Hindsight is 20-20

We finally agree on something...

-I have no doubt the meaning of my BBB story went completely over your head. *whoosh*

#17464 4 years ago

By the way, Pinside. Be sure to contemplate and analyze this comment.

Quoted from PinballHelp:

I know I was one of the very few who was skeptical of the whole deal from the beginning: no design team, making people to sign a NDA? I was viciously attacked for being a "hater." I can't remember if my stuff is still up or I edited it down after I was ganged up on.

Especially this portion.

Quoted from PinballHelp:

I can't remember if my stuff is still up or I edited it down

Feel free to interpret that as you wish but I've been giggling of how obvious that comment is. And it speaks to credibility or lack of.

#17484 4 years ago
Quoted from BrianZ:

But I think those that invested wanted to be part of something, especially with JP; something new and exciting.

^^^This^^^ BBB buyers are first and foremost pinball people.

Quoted from Richthofen:

also didn't the project bankrupt gene?

No. Gene went bankrupt from his real estate investments and the financial recession of 2008. Bloomington Illinois is not exactly prime real estate even today. Also and more importantly, he totally mismanaged his inventory of Bally-Williams parts, molds, film, artwork etc. --In brief he did very little with it and simply horded everything.

BTW. Those Bally-Williams molds, film etc are the real reason why Planetary bought Illinois Pinball. Acquiring the Capcom stuff was simply a side issue along with Genes pinball collection. Pinside has a different version of the purchase however...

The myth that Gene lost a million dollars on making BBB thrives today and most likely always will. But there are a few of us that got close enough to the situation to have serious doubts. My guess is he made break even and maybe a little better.

#17509 4 years ago
Quoted from frobozz:

Back to your normal JPOP-bashing.

Its not just JPOP. The people that gave him money are being bashed and ridiculed here also. This was one of the issues that I confronted your friend about several months ago. To which JPOP acted dismissive and indifferent to.

Quoted from frobozz:

Just don't bring up Cameron again and I'll just fade back into lurk mode, OK?

Its difficult to believe or disbelieve Pinside comments. But you seem sincere so I will extend my deepest condolences to you and your son along with best wishes for your family's recovery.

#17514 4 years ago
Quoted from nate1981s:

To all pinside people. Stop using the term investing or investor. You don't invest in Ferrari by putting a deposit down or prepaying for products. That's what a pinball machine is, a consumer product just like any other. A investor invests capital into a company to get more capital back hopefully. Investing inherently assumes risk. Just because you lost money does not make it a investment loss. Pre-ordering or buying a product outright in America at least should have no risk and assumes you get what you paid for, that's why a lawsuit is possible.

Quoted from Tigger64:

I agree, I don't know why people even consider buyers as "investors" rather than customers.
Let's for a moment pretend that it all had gone well and "believe" that Jpop was successful and Zidware had shipped those three machines, was profitable and was making more new machines...
If someone has paid money towards Magic Girl, then Zidware would have shipped it, MG would be in their house and the transaction would be complete. At that point there would be no further relationship with Zidware unless the person gave more money for another machine.
This implies that the person put down money for the long term. What do they get back for their money? If they put down MG money, then I assume they are expecting an MG, but what else?
Is there anything in the agreement where they would hold a share of Zidware until they sold out? Would they get a share of any future sales/profits? Did it say they were providing seed money to Zidware in hope they "might" create a machine, but there was risk of nothing ever being built.
Based on everything we've heard it appears to be the former: they were just simply a customer in a pre-order model.

Look, I agree with both of these comments but can we please give it a rest. Investor, customer, victim, these are simply euphemisms to describe certain people in this situation. Seems not too long ago that BC Gambit was mocking us for being called "owners" when we didn't really "own" anything. (He really fancies himself a superior, witty guy)

And for the record I don't like being called a victim. But if that helps others convey a point, go for it and move the conversation along.