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John Popadiuk update thread……MAGIC GIRL, RAZA, AIW…..

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Post #20523 Link to legal documents with allegations & responses Posted by DennisK (3 years ago)

Post #20526 Third amended complain document Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #20532 Summary of complaints & responses in legal documents Posted by DennisK (3 years ago)

Post #20626 MG is now ready! Posted by TecumsehPlissken (3 years ago)

Post #20631 Scott Goldberg mail on MG completion Posted by TecumsehPlissken (3 years ago)

Post #21819 Information on webpage dedicated to Magic Girl Code Features. Posted by applejuice (3 years ago)

Post #22024 moderation notice Posted by Xerico (3 years ago)

Post #22304 Photos of every page of the Magic Girl manual. Posted by vidgameseller (3 years ago)

Post #22584 Lion Saw feature information. Posted by applejuice (3 years ago)

Post #22710 Very detailed review from a game owner Posted by ShinyNick (3 years ago)

Post #22817 Details on the origin of the driver board Posted by Borygard (3 years ago)

Post #22957 Comparison photos between a MG 'prototype' and another shipped MG Posted by spfxted (3 years ago)

Post #23045 Pinball News first look review. Posted by Pinballs (3 years ago)

Post #23392 Ebay Auction for NIB Magic Girl #007 Posted by fattrain (2 years ago)

Post #23611 Key posted, but no summary given Posted by dgarrett (2 years ago)

Post #23615 Interview with Linda Deal (artist), speaking about CV and TOM Posted by toyotaboy (2 years ago)

Post #23754 The Deeproot link. Posted by pin2d (2 years ago)

Post #23946 Result of civil suit against JPOP Posted by rommy (1 year ago)

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#1702 5 years ago
Quoted from fastpinball:

The model we are pursuing is similar to indie record labels. When the band and the label are releasing a record almost like a joint venture. Some games will be more expensive to produce than other. Some games will be more in demand than others. Some games will require more label involvement to be developed, while others come in ready to be mass produced and distributed.
At a point the "machine" takes over and much of the process can be systematized and hopefully certain advantages of economies of scale can be taken across multiple titles. Platforms for documentation, code update distribution, even pooled customer support are a part of a professional release. These are all critical to a successful game launch.
I feel that pinball needs a model that lets designers be designers and not suddenly also have to be engineers, marketing, biz dev, production line manager, logistics, support, etc.
Please PM if you want to I discuss any of this. I did say I would stay off this thread.

As a pro musician I must chime in.Yes a partnership would be nice.but in the music biz the artist provides 100% of the content.Music and lyrics.The label provides the distribution and promotion of the product that the artist provides/creates.Just because you pre order doesn't mean you are providing content.Actually you are funding a project.Thats it.You have no "content" but you got money and thats what all these boutique co. need because they can't fund it themselves.No different than any other kickstarting situation.
FAST Pinball
Post edited by fastpinball: speling erors

#1703 5 years ago

With all the designers brought out of retirement by Stern and JJP,why not Jpop?

#1705 5 years ago
Quoted from jackofdiamonds:

As a pro musician I must chime in.Yes a partnership would be nice.but in the music biz the artist provides 100% of the content.Music and lyrics.The label provides the distribution and promotion of the product that the artist provides/creates.Just because you pre order doesn't mean you are providing content.Actually you are funding a project.Thats it.You have no "content" but you got money and thats what all these boutique co. need because they can't fund it themselves.No different than any other kickstarting situation.
FAST Pinball

This was my post it got worked into the OPs quote on the pinball/music biz analogy.

#1850 5 years ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

John's post stated that he had set a date to show Magic Girl "on a rug" for mid December.

Did he really say on a rug!!?!!!What a jerk!!!!

#2452 5 years ago

I like that he puts effort into the art work.I liked his dialogue about pop culture and about how the artwork is what lasts the longest.I have 2 games in my collection that i bought mostly for the artwork,Fireball and Silverball Mania.

I don't like that he's taken money and not produced or shown significant progress in the actual 'build'.The game,MG,really looks special,just like TBL.I hope they get built.


1 month later
#3957 5 years ago

Hey you guys check his FB page.New pic of play field detail.A newton ball shot with some stand ups

#3959 5 years ago

Thanks Silverunicorn I couldn't get it to upload

#3961 5 years ago

You guys must be stoked, its looking good .After all that this has got to be considered good news.
Art package is impressive.

1 month later
#5321 5 years ago
Quoted from RomstarArkanoid:

I sincerely doubt Stern will touch this with a 10ft pole.

He couldn't get hired by Stern to do a machine for them.and lets face it Stern brought EVERYBODy out of retirement.

Think about that.

2 weeks later
#6364 5 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

phoning him intoxicated.

I know this is serious stuff for those with money in it.

Not trying to make light of it,but the calling while high is,well,hysterical.

1 week later
#7266 4 years ago

Grab a 6 pack and get the hell outta there buddy!!!!!

#7614 4 years ago

full disclosure

I don't have a pre order

I don't think any opinion positive or negative will effect whether or not it gets made.

good luck to those involved,Im hoping for the best possible solution for all y'all.

1 week later
#8160 4 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I see no reason that it wouldn't sell 50 units.


#8164 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

his shop declaring it "near complete" 6 months ago) and he can't even hobble together one of those 3 games he has sitting there to make it look somewhat complete and get people excited.

I think those 3(MG) will be it.Those 3 will be the "legacy" of this whole thing.Not sure who's getting them but I see no way any more get made.They will be sold in whatever stage of completion they are in.

I could envision them at a pinball show ala Pinball Circus.

1 week later
#8977 4 years ago

Magic Girl:Jpop's name in prison

#9291 4 years ago

can't wait for the karma train to come down the tracks and right up Jpops ass!!!!

Sorry for those involved!!!

Another nail in the coffin for pinball.

There is no way to spin this as positive.

#9359 4 years ago

Does anybody really believe there is an investor?

Who is this licensee ?

This is a classic don't sue me move!!!

I smell shit

#9411 4 years ago

Anybody wonder why its gonna be 4 years?

Check your bankruptcy laws people.he can skate after 4 years .

Also EVEN if it gets built it will never be worth or live up to what all of this is.

Im not invested and even Im angry and frustrated.

#9413 4 years ago

Pinchili nailed it!!! If you sign that agreement you are a sucker!!!

#9415 4 years ago

Scared of what!!!??!!!

you have a concrete can't miss no risk case against Zidware.

Honestly if it was my money I would make his life as difficult as possible.

#9444 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

THERE IS NO INVESTOR - Just like JJP's "secret investor who loves pinball" and fake press release to joyfully announce his second coming, does anyone really believe that there is an investor?
Investors invest money to make money.
No investor that I've ever spoke to invested money just for the love of the product - I mean, it sounds romantic and all, but so did Pretty Woman (and we know how many billionaires try to marry their hookers in real life).
Investors bring money to invest. This "investor" seems like they are just going to be taking your money.
I predict that the "investor" is just an actor fronting another shell company for Poopaduke, or just another someone from Pinside who thinks they will be able to build a pinball machine.
YOU HAVE 4 DAYS TO SIGN A CONTRACT AGREEING NOT TO SUE ME - anytime you see a contract who's main purpose is to prevent you from seeking legal restitution - RUN YOU STUPID MOTHERFNCKERS!!!!
YOU CAN HAVE 1/2 CREDIT FOR YOUR DEPOSIT TOWARDS THE GAME YOU WANTED - This is so dumb, if you are even thinking about agreeing to this, send me a PM. I'll give you 100% of your Poopaduke credit towards a $16,000 kick in the ass. Best bargain in boutique pinball.
SUE POOPADUKE NOW - don't wait another second. Find a single Chicagoland attorney to represent you guys (to save on fees), and be done with it.


#9486 4 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

Unless the investor has access to the stern assembly line I say casino odds on getting a game through mystery savior.

Quoted from Pimp77:

199 units made. I

In what country,on what planet,in which universe does 199 MG's get made?

What factory,I mean,theres only 2,(Stern or JJP) is gonna tool up for a proprietary game with nonstandard cab and glass?

#10658 4 years ago

real easy painfully obvious ?

Who the fuck is Pintasia and why should they be trusted?

What is their background?

Do they rescue all kinds of failing businesses or just pinball?


#10669 4 years ago

Does anyone find it irrating that Jpop is really just walking away with no coupabilty whatsoever?

If they show this "game" at NW I would encourage someone,anyone, who got torched in this, to flip the fuckin "game" over on its side.

#10684 4 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

Culpability is the word you're looking for.

Yes I spelled it wrong,thanks!!!

#11090 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Can enough time be bought, can MGs be produced and start making money, to put out the fires?

According to what we've been told here 4 years before anything.

This game at 16K was really for a select few who could afford it.Hate to use the term 1%ers but it felt that way from the get go.It still has a "country club" feel to it.

Its not gonna revolutionize the hobby or the industry.Its a collectible for those who can afford it.

GOOD LUCK To all who have something at stake I really hope you guys get some satisfaction in the end but.......

To me it feels like a bunch of rich guys rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

#11106 4 years ago

Showing a proto at NW doesnt trump the fact that they said 4 more years to completed /shipping games.

Has that changed?

#11128 4 years ago

So Jpop basically took money from about 150 people?

And was still trying to collect just weeks ago.

Any adjectives come to mind?

#11452 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Questions still waiting for answers:
1. Terms of the license agreement.
2. Why license, with the complicated "we'll make you whole" rigamarole instead of buy-out and clear, legal transfer of liability.

probably due to some type of personal relationship btwn Jpop and Bill.I can't help but think Bill is helping Jpop "survive" this mess.

we never got an answer on who composed that last ditch,don't sue me, letter/contract.

#11455 4 years ago

After Jpops shop is cleaned out and moved to Canada,whats the recourse for US investors?

What,if any, laws cover the moving of "assets" to Canada.

#11459 4 years ago

when it comes to pinball I go with "snaked it out"over "saved it" every time

#11465 4 years ago

Quick question:After MG is shown at NW where does this prototype go?

Where will it reside?

#11468 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

But the thing is, this deal as structured - the license - will be revoked as part of the bankruptcy proceedings. This is virtually guaranteed. If you buy the company and assume the debt, you at least maintain control of the IP. Or, alternatively, you let it fail and pick up the IP at auction, but that's way more messy.
But the third option is, get the physical assets out of his hands before the collapse and have the ultimate collectable. The license fails, the deal evaporates and everyone is out their million dollars, but one lucky guy has a flipping game.
There's a simple logic to the argument. Occam's Razor and all that.

Thats why I asked the ? in my last post.It will also be in Canada which could mean something or nothing

#11714 4 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

What I can't follow is why are WC and Pintasia both posting?
Is Pintasia actually Bill posting about himself in the third person?

Maybe its Sabrina

#12123 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

whom do you trust and believe

No one

#12129 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

Another question nobody has asked:
Of the list of "Cars a pin can fit inside" how many get scratched off that list with this tall cabinet?
My guess is a lot, since it's the folded down height that is the killer.

IF it gets made all of that has to change.

No custom hinges,all of that goes if the BOM is gonna work.

Bill alluded to that in one of his French Canadian/Nigerian posts.

#12146 4 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

So John will voluntarily open his books up to one of the owner's forensic auditor's?
Or are you saying that you have his books and will make them available?
Otherwise, it ain't going to happen absent court intervention.

I just went through this.Court ordered full financial disclosure.In my case the other party had 30 days,or receive a fine,do it again jail time and fine.I would imagine any good lawyer could get around the jail time part but if they wanna see the books they will see the books.30 days gives the defendant time to cook the books to gain a more favorable outcome.

#12428 4 years ago

he was smart enough to get Bill to bail him out.

The whole time he was ignoring his customers he was cutting a back room deal with Pintasia.

Quoted from stangbat:he's not that smart

Dumb like a fox.

#12434 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

You heard it here - bankruptcy won't stop Pintasia . They have spent too much already.

Spent money on what? The guy who did the ramps said he did it for free.None of the vendors have been paid.No refunds.Another guy donated his space for set up and tweak.
Ok they shipped a game,500 bucks.Big deal.

#12440 4 years ago

He was selling memorabilia on RGP back in the day.Signed translates and whatnot.

I once posted I had found an NOS ToM play field.He PMed me and asked if I wanted to sell my original play field.I said no.

so he's got no ToM play fields for sure.

#12488 4 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

Bill's conversations with him the past 30-60 days

and not a word to any other customers........

#12493 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballHelp:

How much does JPop get paid for the license?

Is this recoupable in a bankruptcy case?

#12582 4 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

Not true, Pintasia sent info directly, or talked to owners, or put stuff on the Facebook owners group.

Totally true.You said he(Jpop) negotiated with Bill for 30-60 days.Not talking about AFTER the fact

#12595 4 years ago
Quoted from statsdoc:

, the toys aren't going to be enough this time.

The Toy for MG is the big swirl ramp in the middle of the play field.Read the posts on the guy who made the ramps last week.2 wiggle ramps ,no big circular one.
So unless their is a REAL circular ramp somewhere the game will not have its biggest feature at NW show.
I could be wrong but I haven't seen or read anything on here that tells me otherwise.

#13542 4 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

McCune said:
I heard Capcom was 60 million in the hole.
Yeah, Python can't be the real reason. It would have been cool if they'd put out Big Bang Bar instead of Flipper Football, but it wouldn't have changed anything really. It was just poor timing on their part to try and break in as pinball was dying back. It's too bad, lots of smart ideas.

The real reason was that Bally/Williams put tremendous pressure on Capcom to re engineer EVERYTHING.Toys ,flipper mechs,any thing that B/W had a patent on.They also caused massive delays behind the scene with vendors.Making sure B/W got what they wanted First and made Others wait or pay more.At the end of the day Capcom was blowing 3 to 4 times as much as Bally/Williams just to develop a single machine.

Bally/Williams "muscled" them off the fuckin lot.

Great multi part article in Pingame Journal years ago detailed the entire story.

As far as Python.He killed the pinball division at Bally/Williams once and for all with Popeye.

All you RGP archivists can look up the story that Steve Ritchie himself posted about how Popeye helped kill pinball once and for all at B/W..

#14792 4 years ago
Quoted from tamoore:

Sounds about right.
Without the full truth being known, we're only left with speculation. This speculation is as valid as any, I suppose.

Its all speculation.

So sorry to all who got burned in this.

If it was me I would of course sue,its really the only way to end the speculation.

Zidware needs to be legally compelled to show the books.I just went through this.I was told there was no money.I was "strong armed" into what was a bad (lie) deal.Thank god for my lawyer.Turns out there was money and more than we thought. once our forensic accountant got involved things moved REAL FAST.All of a sudden they wanted a meeting and a chance to settle out of court.

I got a settlement.So IMHO go for the lawsuit and stay the course,you might be pleasantly surprised.Also any attorney fees after the request to show books,should be paid by the defendant for delaying the process.My lawyer asked for this and the Judge said yes almost before she finished her sentence.

Good luck guys,I really hope you get a least something for your trouble and lose.

#14807 4 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

any bankruptcy proceeds were eaten by court, legal and liquidation costs.

I was told this and still got a settlement.

I hope it works out this way for the victims in this case.

#14809 4 years ago
Quoted from markmon:

I know who has the game and I won't say who. But I will say why. I refuse to tell anyone because we don't need emotional folks that lost their money trying to come steal it. As for why someone has the game, it was for analysis of the software task to complete it. No one here needs to know more about the whereabouts of the game. As long as jpop is ok with where it's at, it's no one else's concern.
And for anyone that thinks they have part ownership in the game because they paid for *a* game I can only say that you don't. You didn't buy stock in Jpop's company and assets. You bought a promise of making and shipping you a completed game. That gives you no rights to the rest of the company assets. Sure you can sue to get to get something, but then jpop will just sell his assets to cover legal fees. In this regard, we are all screwed.

You would think the "we" includes John Popaduik.

#14811 4 years ago
Quoted from Tharizdun:

Pintasia was some last gasp entity created to bail out this project or bail out John?
Pintasia: Wanted to save the day, spent a great deal of $$ getting the game to the show, sleepless nights… is this a diversion?
This is a predictable outcome, albeit negative. Assuming Pintasia had a bit of common sense they knew this would happen. Is there some upside for them at this point?

Judging from what I've read here Bill (Pintasia) and Jpop are friends.Bill is using his expertise in bailing out failing companies to help his friend avoid court.

#14821 4 years ago
Quoted from chessiv:

It really varies by licensor. We have 40-50 licenses that we've dealt with, including warner brothers and some are more flexible than others. Some allow hand drawn art, some don't. It's funny when we get feedback that something looks bad and it's stock art provided by the studio

I've licensed my music out,for a % on what the licensee can get for it i.e.sell it at.Then there is a split.

Many have wondered what "the split " is with Pintasia.

Wanna find out?Take em to court.Forensic accountants rock!!!!!!

#15038 4 years ago

Im not a lawyer,but I did go through a similar scenario just recently.

I was told there was no money.
I received a letter,actually several letters, asking me not to sue and there will be nothing left if you do.
Meetings btwn their lawyer and mine,4 way conferences with me and the other party.They kept saying,sorry,there is no assets.
I felt the victim.I felt like just waking away.For my own mental health.

Then my lawyer filed a motion to see the books.We hired an Forensic account to look at the books.The other side stalled and almost got fined,and after almost 2 years of BS,all of sudden they want to settle,all of sudden there was assets.

I got a settlement.

I don't know if that happens here,but I sure HOPE SO!!!!!!!!

#15421 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

Just to stay one ahead of one of john popadiuk's biggest supporters. There is money left, that is a fact. IMHO John Popadiuk fraudulently transferred money and embezzled among other things. IMHO His wife helped him. Both are in serious trouble. There is a group of victims that are going to try and put them in jail. That is a fact. Whether it works out or not is another issue, but we should be supporting the victims trying to recover and get justice.
If victims can get jail time for john Popadiuk and/or his wife and anyone else that participated In this scam that would be a great thing. The courts will determine the outcome not armchair lawyers in this thread. Don't you WANT john Popadiuk to be punished for what he did to us?
To those of you that want us to all walk away and just forget being victimized - shame on you.
No one is suggesting throwing away money. In this entire debacle $500 seems like a reasonable sum to find Out what the hell happened to your money. IMHO it is irresponsible not to but ymmv. It is certainly irresponsible trying to convince ther victims to just lay there and take it. It's STILL going on and will continue unless some victims stand up and stop it.


I support the victims.

#15874 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

I'd like to reiterate

That I support the victims.

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#16170 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

Was at the bay area launch party for KISS and ran into a friend of mine. In for 10k to Jfail. He's resigned, by his own words, to take the loss, and "stick his head in the sand", and didn't want to talk about it. You could tell it was a sore subject for him. Who could blame him? But both he and his girlfriend said they didn't go in on KISS because they're "absorbing" the losses.


2 weeks later
#16827 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

You suffer from hardheaded-ness.
As Geddy Lee once sang, "if you choose not to decide / you still have made a choice"

ok Ill play "be cool or be cast out"

1 week later
#17007 4 years ago
Quoted from TOK:

John could sue for a million dollars. Wouldn't that be convenient?

I love how the lawsuit against John is considered risky.Yet people are so sure he could sue for libel.
looks like everything in there is the truth.

3 weeks later
#17177 4 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

My opinion on the end game is that it fizzles into nothing in the court system. Its a failed business, with optimistic early deposits, that ran its course and has no $ left and nothing to recover, except maybe a few vendor payables. There will be no claims paid out of the Zane lawsuit. The could be a second court case to force bankruptcy and liquidation , but the economics will likely be, there are costs (in court and legal fees) for a group of preorder folks to force a bankruptcy and little hope of being awarded anything as pre-orders with there being few assets, and most sale proceeds likely go to vendors like Cointaker and GreatPlains, Pinball Life, etc.

so basically you're fucked!!!!
that would never be good enough for me
i support the victims

#17217 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

everyone should keep in mind that Dgarrett is a friend of Jpops and as such has a particular filter on all he says regarding the matter.

Yes I know.

He never misses an opportunity to"piss in the cornflakes" of the victims.

1 month later
#17735 4 years ago

Completely lame.will never listen or waste my time C2C ever again.

#17736 4 years ago
Quoted from Hitch9:

I had a hard time staying awake listening to this.

Just another kiss ass hero worship stuff that led to the pathetic, preorder ,cost cutting,can't get it out on time,lack of completed software,8K world of pinball we currently live in.

2 weeks later
#18170 4 years ago
Quoted from rosh:

and what if he brought the magic girl prototype? it made out to the one show, and it would not totally shock me if he showed up with it, seems to fit his mindset of continuing to move forward as if nothing is wrong, like having no money left, etc. I could see how In his mind, having it seen will get folks lining up to invest.

where is the magic girl proto?

1 week later
#18279 4 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I just noticed the pic of JPop in the latest issue of Pin Game Journal. Very nice.

He's got an interview in Pinball Magazine #3 as well.He talks about his KISS foam core design and how and why Stern went and made KISS without him.

About his rejecting a job at Stern he says,and I quote:"A couple of my customers kind of forbade me to work a deal with them.They didn't want Stern parts in their games and such."

1 week later
#18352 4 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

If it was bound to happen, then surely the sooner it happens the better? Maybe people will wise up and the industry as a whole will run things more professionally. If something happened like this in 5 years time (when presumably there will have been significantly more growth and investment), it could be an immensely larger setback.

There's a clear question of intent or lack thereof, however. Both from an ethical and legal point of view. There's a difference between him (or anyone) intending to deliver something (even if the whole project is to feed their ego) and never intending to do anything and run off with the money.
If you really believe the intention was to make off with the money, then he's a far more incompetent thief than an incompetent and ill-equipped manager and business owner given the alternative. I know which I think is more likely.

How about he's (JPop) an adult and is responsible for his actions.Not what he INTENDED to do but what he actually did.

1 month later
#18442 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

A copy of current financials will be available evidencing the impossible predicament Zidware currently faces"

sounds incriminating

3 weeks later
#18527 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Yeah, I'd suggest his "friends" take a good look at themselves if they're ok with this.

Its the same group of hero worship pinball groupies he has always had.

All those that made apologies for him or interviewed him after the fact which did nothing for his clients and everything for his ego.

remember how he described his clients as "fans?"As he comes to the conclusion that he's out of pinball for good,where is he gonna find folks to stroke his ego?

1 month later
#18692 4 years ago
Quoted from hawkmoon:

Who is this guy you all are talking about?? is he one of those two idiots in that foto?If one happens to have a talent of some kind,why does that give one license to look like you just stepped outa the sixties,50 lbs overweight and looking like a slob??I've often wondered why guys show up at venues with long dirty hair,obese,stinking of beer,and think it's kool???

That 'look" surprises you!!!!I guess you haven't been to too many pinball shows.

1 month later
#18817 3 years ago

I keep checking hoping to hear how the lawsuit is progressing.The whole woulda ,shoulda,coulda,stuff is so 2014/15.

1 month later
#18904 3 years ago

This whole what is he up to now shit is creepy.Lets hear about the court case.

#18911 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Leno is known for hard-hitting investigative journalism.... We should encourage JPop to drive his Range Rover over for a chat with Jay and get to the bottom of all this.

Like the ridiculous hero worship podcast that was recorded right in the middle of the end of this fiasco.

The only attention he should be getting is from law enforcement officials and or his cell mate.

You're feeding his ego.Hes winning.

8 months later
#21182 3 years ago
Quoted from DBLM:

no claim in these matter.

Not having a "claim" still entitles you to an opinion.If you like pinball as much as I do,you would have something to say.

Its a mess even though games are getting out.Still a "boutique game".No impact on pinball at large.

It would be great if AP went into production on MG someday.

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