Quoted from jazzmaster:
I guess posting here is one way to get his attention..... from the blog:
I have had a bunch of folks message me about items from this blog appearing on public forums like “Pinside”.
"bunch of folks?". I'm sorry, I find this funny. Is anybody really on his side at this point?
I think most pre-buyers are (or at least should be) past the desire for "more pictures" at this point. $4750 for the other folks sucks. $17,000 for this really sucks. I hope it happens for those involved, I really do. And I understand those involved are between a rock and a hard place. I'm not on the hook, so I'll step out and wish everybody that is good luck.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:
But I wonder how many melons do they believe they will sell?
I'm fairly certain Stern got paid on a "per piece" basis for BJM. Doesn't matter to them how many get sold.
Gary has been adamant in the past that there is limited demand for non-licensed tables. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole.
Quoted from rai:
I'm almost thinking John is way farther along than anyone guesses and he's keeping his cards close to the vest and some day I'll open this thread and see the games are completely done and ready to ship.
I also think that's his strategy, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him present a single "completed" MG game.
The game will probably have a fair degree of mechanical wow-factor, John will stand on a rug with a banner behind him reading "Mission Accomplished", and he will hope that it'll be enough to suck a bunch of people/money down the next rabbit hole.
If the community falls for that, the next thing you'll probably see would be a single "completed" RAZA in about 5 years. Making one is fun. Dozens? Not so much.
Quoted from rai:
Since I like to look at both sides of the debate, and since there are no 'pro John' supporters here. I would just like to point out the possibility and how there is still a chance for these games.
I will just look at MG because that's the first game the alpha game, and should in any case be completed first or most likely to be completed.
Doesn't your scenario (which you admittedly describe as "optimistic") result in pre-buyers for RAZA and AIW getting screwed to the extent of $400,000?
I would like to think that nobody would send him additional funds in that scenario.
Quoted from Concretehardt:
Any accountants, tax lawyers ect want to take one more look to see if it would be possible for us "owners" to write any of the losses off on taxes next year (long shot I know)
In order to do so, you'd have to demonstrate:
1) the loss was the result of an "investment" (don't think the IRS will buy that argument), or,
2) the loss was the result of theft/fraud.
as always, consult your tax advisor.
Quoted from Concretehardt:
The Pintasia team/Bill have not asked for any money, so at this point what the hell difference does it make for the "owners" who were going to be splitting pennies on the dollar after a Zidware bankruptcy to wait to see if a solid plan can be put together. Hell at least we will get to see/play the damn game if nothing else.
You are right, it makes no difference at this point. What the heck....
There will come a day though....and at that point, I personally think anything less than cash on delivery is the same as buying a lottery ticket.
Quoted from Hitch9:
zombiyetti - You hang in there and don't sweat all this. If there is one bright silver lining in this whole thing, it's discovering you. The one smart and good thing John did in this whole mess, was bring you on board so we could enjoy your drawings and art. It's pure eye candy. If JJP or Stern does not hire you, they are losing out on a real find. Have fun on the trip and enjoy the show.
I think the issue is about the old saying, "don't hitch yourself to the wrong horse".
Quoted from jwilson:
The key, at this point, is to get three vendors to sue him into bankruptcy. Forcing him out is the only way, otherwise he's just going to keep pulling this nonsense
It doesn't necessarily need to be 3 "vendors". He's admitted inability to produce/deliver and has not refunded, so with proper documentation, a pre-buyer could easily be considered a creditor by the bankruptcy court. So possibly 3 buyers could get this done.
My wife (not a pinhead) overhead some of the podcast yesterday morning. She asked "what's that" and I gave her a 30 second summary of the backstory.
After listening another minute or so, her only comment as she walked away was "he doesn't sound very sorry".
Quoted from toyotaboy:
His wife works at a hospital in the cancer section according to Google searches.
I stopped by zidware on Tuesday on my way home, there was a SUV parked in front which I found odd at that hour.. also seemed to be one of those POD storage units in a parking spot.
Oh, I understand that. Was trying to make light of the suggestion that there is a 2nd income in the family that doesn't originate from his wife. As if John is somehow earning an "income".....
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