Quoted from Baiter:
Stern can build those entire runs in less than a week, but will take eons for Jpop.
Well sure if you are willing to settle for a bash toy and magnet combo.
All these pre-order threads and me being drawn to see the daily update has helped me understand in part the big reality TV phase that seemed to get everyone addicted.
Big Brother? Haha, or more like Survivor - Pinside I guess.? Financing with the stars?
It's still just a two flipper game? Why do new companies limit themselves to just two flippers...
Is there too many though? The more cross shots you can do, the more you can view the PF from other angles, which is what Lawlor is the king off. As long as they are not redundant flippers, like how they would stack two on each side for many early SS ones for no real reason.
I look at RS, and the two side flippers for the left side, and think that someone could do that, both on both sides, and add in a mini PF to boot.
I just don't get why in 2014 people are still trying to hash through a two flipper design, which is a step backwards from all the designs in the 90s.
Wow, surprised so many people prefer fan layout 2 flipper designs, carry on then... Not for me though, probably why I do like Lawlor the best.
Quoted from thedarkknight77:
I think it's more like 150-200. 50 only gets your R&D covered and that's being optimistic. The bulk of the cost is manufacturing the game.......Hence why Gary loves to say, "We are a pinball manufacturer". In the end that is where the costs are.
Quoted from Pdxmonkey:
That's just ridiculous made up numbers bro.
I don't know man... I would think even more, but really I guess it's more based on the price per unit than the number of units.
That's also assuming anyone else would want to get involved at this point as well, which is ludicrous.
I'm agreeing with you, but saying that even 150-200 may not be enough, and unlikely he's getting even a handful to sign up to more now anyway. Seriously, $16k for a MG now??? Who the F is that stupid at this point - flat out! Not to mention all the pissed off original people, despite a few that might agree with it just to get it done, that will not be the consensus for all I'm betting.
It's hard to imagine anyone new signing up to ride the Titanic as it's sinking into the sea.
There needs to be a MAJOR change otherwise I do think you will see him going bankrupt in the near future. No one else will get involved, and *if* the money is dry, the project will be as dead as the horses being daily beaten here, along with everyone's vested interests.
Sad but true.
Quoted from thedarkknight77:
Understood. I was more responding to PDX who is clearly a cheerleader.
Well no, he's being optimistic, which you can't fault him for. We all want this to work, but you're going to get different opposing beliefs and positions on how to best deal with it from people directly in.
Quoted from zr11990:
Hey Iceman, Is there any way you can get me in touch with JPop? I have cash in hand to pay for a AIW as I sold my POTC and got my refund for The Hobbit so I have cash burning a hole in my pocket but I want to speak with the man and some sort of time frame. Since you are buying Magic Girl I thought you might have a way to reach him.
Well at least one person should hear from John soon!
Quoted from frolic:
So, Ben.... you're not coming to my house?
You have better luck getting these machines if you were to pay Ben his hourly rate for him to go knock down Jpop's door, take whatever he has to date, order the remainder and have Ben personally build this for you and deliver it to your house.
Barring that, you might as well look to pred for how this mess will turn out.
Quoted from rommy:
If it turns out John Popadiuk was the nefarious thief in all this and Kevin refunds people...just face palm again. Kevin is the buffoon in the basement while John is the evil grinch stealing from the community. Wow. It's still a big "if" to me as I have not received a refund from anyone.
I agree, apples and oranges. At least Kevin made the machines, had the parts ready to go, and just horribly miscalculated the licensing aspects. Jflop has apparently intentionally mislead people, and there is an element of criminal intent. Still trying to sell to people a few weeks back, when clearly he is aware nothing is going to happens is exemplary of that
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