It's sad that Zombie Yeti was never paid fully, and never received his machine that was part of his deal, because if you removed his artwork (with acknowledgement to mandraws contributions as well), you don't have much left. For the prices that are being kicked around, it doesn't really make sense.

John posted video of that spinner from 2015, how does his video from then compare with it now:

https://magicgirldev.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/video-of-the-day-jinx-outlane-whizzer/

Are any changing hands at all? It seems outside that first week when things were crazy insane, people now see the game for what it is, and it's not something that will be that valuable, no matter how few exist.

Yeah, when you add up the money and number of people hurt from RAZA and AIW, it is very significant. It's very odd that delivering a literal handful of half working Magic Girls made all that disappear.

125 games is a heck of a BOM to finance.

So is it a game of hot potato now? Try not to get caught holding it.

"Social Inventions"

Guess he needs a new business direction since the pinball thing ain't happening.

lol.

As one of his victims, who got nothing from my money, not even a shirt or piece of ZombieYeti art signed by John, I wish he'd just go bankrupt already and end this. Him trying to "save" himself by enforcing a patent on existing pinballs would be ridiculous and he would deserve whatever additional scorn he earned as a patent troll.

That's not how I want my machine financed.

Maybe it's beyond time to drop this civil case and just do what should be done - forced bankruptcy.

I thought he already got his commemorative drink, from his preferred shop.

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Same here, and it suuuuuucked. The game died on my first ball.

Me too. $6500 paid and no t-shirt, no certificate, and no Zombie Yeti art signed by John.

From everything we've seen, you put together a "final" Magic Girl, since the customers all got the game with the same functionality. The game will never be more than that.

Dude, you realize there are 100+ other jpop customer's who's money paid for YOUR mg to be completed, and don't get response from John in any way?

But hey, it's all about you I guess. Glad you are getting the great service.

Well then I'm glad jpop is giving such great service to the secondary market. Maybe you can ask him to respond to his actual customers.

I have to wonder if working for a grocery chain is some pinheads idea of a joke. Pretty funny though.

still the same tell-tale hand coded html from John featuring 90s style tables.

I guess he needs to fill his days with something.

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Is John still pretending he's building RAZA? What's he doing with his days?

The whole shipping MG out was to pretend he had everything sorted out and it was business as usual.

your images are not posting right, can you edit your post?

to the editor of that website:

I think it would be a worthy addition to the story to state with those shipping MG that people who worked on the machine (specifically Zombie Yeti and Applejuice the programmer) have stated publicly that they are still owed both cash and machines for their work and were never compensated.

As well, that ZY posted that he had been approached by Deeproot to relinquish his copyrights on that same work that he was not paid for.

Probably worth adding that ZY said he won't be doing that.

If this is how things shake out I'll be joining a new suit out of principle. I was ok giving up on a failed business but I'm sure as hell not going to fund a new enterprise from my money (the money that went into zids r&d that now is being used by deeproot).

If they want that work, then I'll need to be compensated.

It's pretty wild how deep and far the deceptions went, that people even at the very end could think that this game was anything other than a pretty turd.

Hell, look at what it cost American Pinball. And even AFTER they cut their jpop cord people still thought jpop was going to screw together some games by hand at the back of their factory and they were going to be masterpieces.

It's insane that the jpop show keeps going and going, and EVERY FREAKIN' CHAPTER of it is insane. It does not stop.

I have to resuscitate this part of the thread. In light of this post made by deeproot in the Jetsons thread, now that we know John was hired by them as a game designer.

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So I guess we know now what will follow the original zidware 3 titles.

If deeproot is indeed indulging John on a bible game and covering his nut while he's at it, John certainly has found a great new patron. Amazing how many he's found.

John has been working on his html and self-fellating skills again.

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http://www.pinballinventor.org/

same url, but he refreshes the content regularly.

His use of "social justice" is so... odd.

It's almost like one of his infamous examples of hearing in passing about something, not understanding it, yet thinking it would benefit him to use it, and then not even using it correctly.

ie:

-Zombies. He never understood them but realized they were "hot" in 2012.
-A "rug" that he went and sourced for Magic Girl because of all the talk about Lebowski's rug.
-"Pussycat Bowling Pinball", because people like bowling apparently, from the success of "Labowski".

reposting this because it is just too awesome. For those unaware, this was a website someone found at pussycatbowling.com around 2014.

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Looks like Zombie Yeti pencil sketch style. When you compare it against some Alice in Wonderland work.

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About time to get this shit show going again.

So....

a "bible adventures" from deeproot

a "Houdini" from deeproot

3 zidware titles from deeproot....

5 titles/days of deeproot?

I know Robert is very bullish on this, but I've said before my biggest mistake with jpop (and other pinball startups in the rainbow days of 5+ years ago) was that I went against my own business instincts and what makes sense.

Right now this just seems like a bonfire of cash, raised from "other people's money".

And the biggest issue to me, from a business standpoint, is if I allow them the "Ferrari at Kia price" and "making pinball is easy" and "we're doing this in a disruptive way" is that the MARKET for pinball is still.... TINY.

If this passed my desk as a VC play, it wouldn't last 30 seconds.

So, at least it isn't my money going up.

Everybody has to eat, and I'm guessing there are some regular paychecks on offer.

Pinball is also one of the few industries where ageism isn't a factor. As much as we celebrate our designers as celebrities, you have to think about what the job prospects outside of pinball are like when you're a certain age, which generally isn't good.

I believe it was posted jpop paid himself $7500 a month from zidware, which was more than what Stern had offered. It's also generally known that everyone at Stern works below market rate, out of passion. $80k might be about right.

Holy crap, congrats to the Heroes of this who stuck it out.

I decided to wait out the deeproot deadline... which is end of June, to see what happens.

WOW!! Jpop can now claim whatever he wants, but a JUDGE has decided this! It went to court and his defense of his actions lost. "Ahh shucks, I don't know what I'm doing" didn't hold up! Congrats again!

I hope you guys get your money, but really the victory is the JUDGEMENT. In a court. John can play victim but the LAW saw it different. And he certainly tried to use the law himself against his own customers.

And this case was about his lack of delivering to his customers. This wasn't some bankruptcy court trying to figure out assets. This was open and shut he said something and did something else and harmed people by doing so.

That stain will be on him forever now. Enjoy those fruits from your effort .

Gary used to say there was enough business for ONE company.

He may be proven correct.

No shit. this is not going to give them any sort of clean start. He is radioactive and there is absolutely no closure.

So is anyone not taking the Deeproot offer? I just can't be bothered to sign a wall of legal text to get a promissory note for a pinball machine.

In the end the debt is owed by zidware/jpop. If he's still toiling away then he's working to make me whole. Until zid goes bankrupt and then i get listed as a creditor. Till then there is a debt owed to me.

So jpop is showing up at Expo. Seems like a good opportunity to grill him about his decision to sue his customers.

Deeproot showing up at expo to hype themselves up but with nothing to show is annoying because it's just smoke and mirrors until customers start receiving games. We had years of jpop doing that, and here it is again. I don't care how "easy" they say this is.

I just realized it was 2014, the Lebowski show, that jpop showed up with the empty cabinets. 4 years later, and he's at Expo again, talking about the same games, with no games to show.

Deeproot would be in a better position if they just extended the free game offer with no deadline. Right now it's on "faith" without seeing anything, only that they raised some money and are good at spending it, and they want people to sign a bunch of legal.

Robert, here's your free tip to defuse the expo room: Boldly announce the free game offer stands for all zidware customers, and they can accept at any time, even after the deeproot games have been shown finally. No need to leap before you look.

Ask American Pinball how the jpop taint went at their first expo .

The infuriating thing about jpop is he still sees himself as victim. Literally. Suing his customers is as low as it can get, and there he is. He probably thought it was a great injustice that he was ruled against by his customers at the last trial.

But he was judged in court. And lost.

So, no, I don't expect any mea culpa, combined with the fact that there won't actually be any games shown at Expo. So just hot air. Will make for a toxic seminar, but we all knew that.

We have to take our pleasures from this mess where we can get them .

2014 called.

Would audio of the proceedings be available like with Predator?

I wonder how the IP being used by deeproot will be affected by this bankruptcy.

My memory of the lawsuit is that they DID pierce the corporate veil for that. Not sure the current state of that, last mentioned was his counter suit. Nothing has been posted about it recently.

I'm out my $6500, I don't expect anything to come to me from this bankruptcy, but this whole thing was over a long time ago.

Glad to hear "some" people got some free deeproot money, but in the end most of the zid customers lost their money and jpop will always have to carry that with him and how he chose to handle it.

The above was posted by rommy May 1st, 2018.

It's the tell-tale antiquated hand coded html from John. So this is his.

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Even in the adobe video, you could see that there was sweet f__ all happening in that office.

Wow, as a long suffering zidware customer, it's amazing that we're here, at the end of 2022. Congrats to the legal group for sticking this out.

I lost $6500 to jpop as RAZA customer. I never switched to deeproot because that never made sense, I was convinced they would fail, just not in the way that they did. Considering where the money came from, I don't know I'd be any happier with a refund made from little old ladies' pension. Jpop screwed me, and it ended there.