These two pictures remind me of John image-77.jpgimage-659.jpg

Are you wanting or did you ask for a refund ? Or are you gonna get with Ice?

Creative debt collecting maybe an option at this point.... i am surprised by the patience shown by people here.

He is ignoring you guys F that. Who the fuck does he think he is?

Seriously he worked at Williams big fucking deal.!!

Someone sit him down and demand their money back not hard!!

Big deal you miss out on a game, is a game worth being treated like shit?

Any designer given unlimited time and funding could come up with something amazing. Most designers however live in the real world

Don't forget he has an army of ex Bally Williams people on staff. All of which conveniently wished to remain anonymous.

Well I know what I've paid and I know what I'm looking at right now. At this point I don't care... give me my money back (option #1) or show me the evidence that I'm going to get a game (option #2). I don't see option #2 so far. All I've seen is an empty cabinet with a backglass, plus a bunch of art. Right now I'd prefer option #1 and that's a sad state of affairs given how much I wanted this to happen.

Originally I didn't want a refund, but I am so fed up with this shit, all I want is my money back now.
I'm in on a Cointaker version so my payments were made to them. I called Chris not long ago and was told his hands are tied same as ours. He tried calling JPop that same day and like everybody else got his voice mail.
I had been tossing around the idea of getting a lawyer but was hesitant for many reasons. I've been talking with ice and I'm behind him all the way.

Probably! Wasn't there some banana head talking about his fourth game only a week or two ago.

Count me in Ice. Time for John to get a 9-5 job, I'm not interested in paying his bills.

A handul of wealthy gotta have it now types wiĺl, but not enough people to sustain his so called business. Hell that one guy has been trying to sell his spot at a loss and can't get any takers.
This is probably why he was talking about getting an investor a while back.

Of course I'm not avocating violence, this is just a funny scene from the TV show 'Fargo' which your post brought to mind.

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John just responded on the blog, and it was as a complete head against brick wall moment. unbelievable.

Ice, we need you to force his hand. I'm not looking to kill it or destroy it or anything else, but he needs a come to jesus moment.

Translation: I get too many emails to answer so I dont bother. I am still fucking around with backglass art and cabinets I have said are finished at least a dozen times now.

What did respond?

Disclaimer : I truly believe he lives in his own world - bubble

Read my post above for the short version.

Please, anyone who has a vested interest in this MG or RHZA saga, please send ICE a PM , if you want him to help you out.

That really is all he addressed. not the DOZENS of crisis blog posts by his customers. Completely oblivious or denial.

"Nero Fiddled While Rome Burned"

I just posted this in case it gets deleted.

This is a quote from you (John) 3 months ago:

”We did have a much more completed RAZA whitewood for expo, but we did not take anything as I do not do a booth and I do not show whitewoods other than to the owners.”

John, we are the ‘owners’ you gave reference to almost 3 months ago and yet you have not shown me anything. Is the internet broken?

This leads me to believe you don’t have even a RAZA whitewood.

Phil
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This project =

The "true" lebowski moment was tonight.

Jpop (translated post): Look, nothing is fucked, here, man.

Customers: Nothing is fucked? The god damn plane has crashed into the mountain!

"The game designer was a stubborn newbie, and it had to be taken over by someone else."
[seems like nothing has changed]

"you must have an affinity for mechanicals"
[translation: John was too much about the art and forgot about the rest, yup nothing has changed]

John just responded to another thread too. The backglass trimming one.

If you guys havent subscribed to Wordpress email alerts for comments you should. You get them instantly before they are deleted.

Gah. I was ready to go to bed and now I've got to sit here and watch the blog and this thread.

His second post was just as bad as the first. I think we're literally going to get a new blog update this week with the backglass in the cabinet.

I'm not reposting his posts, because ultimately I'm still a hopeful customer who wants his game.

Maybe he is moving forward after all?

Maybe he'll give us a 'Lebowski reveal' shortly?

uh, I think more likely we'll get a photo of the empty cabinets with the backglass seated.

MG or RAZA? Because isn't that what he showed at Expo already? Even if he quickly took the translite once he realized people could actually see it?

here's John from the blog (5 months ago):

"we are working on a nice update for Expo. the artwork, design and other items are being finished.

I would say we are about 75% complete and I would like to do a nice reveal in October. Jpop"

Maybe he skipped ahead to the Phil part of the TBL effect? so sorry for you guys

RAZA. Well, that's the thing... he had something at expo, but its been revised since then. He posted some obscured photos of the translite last week, and then referenced it again in tonight's post. So I think he has literally spent weeks on the backglass revisions.

The main thing is he is not acknowledging his customers' issues. ZERO.

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So he's just posting replys in the raza thread not the mg?

How do I subscribe to the email alerts?

I would suggest, if you do not have a vested interest in MG or RAZA, let's leave this thread open to those pinsider's who do.
We should not clog up this thread with anymore people just wanting to chime in with
suggestion's or what should/could of been done, let's leave it up to the people
who have money invested in these projects.
thanks.

So is chad Keller working for him now?

John just posted a new blog update

You have to login on the website, not the app, and click the Edit button on the top left. Then there are options for instant post and notification emails.

Yup, more breaking news with no news.

I'm not even responding anymore. He literally does not hear us, by choice, since tonight he responded to the threads filled with comments and said nothing.

I've literally never dealt with such a person in my entire life.

Has to be Denis Nordman lol

I have no comment on how I feel if I'm guessing right...

The new software development team will be across the hall from the customer service team, if you hit the project managers office turn around because you've gone too far.

Oops almost forgot about the account manager he hired.

What happened to the old software development team? Oh, we're not talking about that.

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JPOP has contacted (at least) someone about it.
I can't confirm if he accepted / declined - he would not comment because of that famous NDA!

... but I hope to meet the guy F2F in 3-4 weeks. We will see what's left of the "lips closed oath" after a few beers and local wines ... Assuming I remember anything of that conversation the next morning

This is what I just posted I'm beyond baffled at this

John I want my damn deposit back now! The letter you sent regarding refund is complete bullshit! Your timeline is way off so give me my monies back and find someone on your own to take my spot. Your in breah of contract. Oh that’s right no one wants my spot not even at a $750 discount as I offered on pinside because you have yet to produce one game when your working on 4!! RAZA is one year late and your talking about artwork?? Your contract says you will communicate any delays in a timely manner so what is the complete status of RAZA an when will it come out so I at least will have something to sell because your obviously not giving my $$$ back!! If I would ever get your pin I would sell it in spite of how nonprofessional and disrespectful you are to your loyal customers and everyone that believed in you including vendors and Chris at Cointakers wow I feel bad for him he was your biggest advocate and supporter and your completely shit on him by not paying bills, avoiding questions and advice because you are to much of a ego maniac to humble yourself and comes to terms with where things stand, how to come through on promises to us, How to be a professional businessman and give back to those who are putting food on your table, funding this project and putting dog food in pebbles bowl. I lost my new home deal and Christmas to my family in there new home because you have my money and I couldn’t come up with the 5% down deposit money. Goodluck in 2015 buddy u lost all respect from me.

I feel sorry for you Redeys.

We have spoken about this, and we both agree that we want our refund. We did not receive what we were promised by John and there is no evidence he is working on a pinball machine in a timely manner which he specifically spelled out in his contract. I contend that an empty cabinet does not constitute a full working pinball machine.

Here is the definition of breach of contract:
----------Breach of contract is a legal cause of action in which a binding agreement or bargained-for exchange is not honored by one or more of the parties to the contract by *non-performance or interference with the other party's performance. If the party does not fulfill his contractual promise, or has given information to the other party that he will not perform his duty as mentioned in the contract **or if by his action and conduct he seems to be unable to perform the contract, he is said to breach the contract.

John is in breach of contract.

I feel bad if some people think me and you asking for our money back is making this project in jeopardy, but that is not our fault that is totally on John. He can easily refund us, sell our spots if/when the game is done. If he's short on funds there is a thing called a bank or he can work like most of us do to pay our bills.

If john does end up in court he will lose, I don't see why he doesn't just refund our money which I requested the day after Expo when he didn't bring anything.