Quoted from vdojaq:I recorded a podcast with him yesterday morning. I am sure that will stir things up.
Good guest appearance.
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Quoted from guyincognito:Good guest appearance.
Wow , you guys are listening already?
Quoted from guyincognito:Serious question... If I went on Craigslist right now and listed a Baywatch for $100K is the new benchmark price for a Baywatch $100K?
Yes. Because any fool selling a Baywatch would then reference your unsold listing as an indicator of value 
Quoted from Mr68:I don't trust those CraigsList ads as you never know what the final negotiated price is or if its a prank ad. The one in LA that popped up for 60K I find very suspicious as it was taken down in a day. That's a lot of verification's exchanged by both sides in such a brief time frame. Sure it could happen but at these prices I think it unlikely.
I was following that listing too. My guess was that because the listing was pulled down so quickly he either got his asking price (or reasonably close) otherwise he would have left the listing up and collected offers or he received an offer from a known collector where haggling wasn't an issue. There are guys here in Seattle that if they sent me an offer and said I'll give you "X" for it, I would just consider it sold.
Quoted from vdojaq:There is NO BANKRUPTCY right now and I do not have to be an attorney to know that. However, you still did not give me an example of JPops preferential payout, bankruptcy rules aside. I have been paying attention and if you expect me to learn something about bankruptcy through your wild rants and wanting to mold the bankruptcy laws to how you see fit, then you would be mistaken. A judge will decide by the bankruptcy rules and laws that apply. Just because you petition for involuntary doesn't mean you will get it. And you can use that petition like a roll of Charmin if any Judge is convinced otherwise by JPop and/or his attorney.
Absolutely clueless. Yes, we will get it based on the facts but then I'd have to explain the accounting aspect to you as well in my role as a CPA
And this is the Wikipedia explanation:
In the United States, a preference in U.S. federal bankruptcy law[8] is a transfer of property by a debtor to its creditor, on account of a pre-existing debt, that is made while the debtor is insolvent[9] and gives the creditor more than it would obtain in a liquidation of the debtor's assets in a bankruptcy proceeding. It is primarily a creature of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code,[10] although some states have similar state laws. If the preferential transaction takes place within a specified period of time before the filing of bankruptcy by or on behalf of the debtor, then the debtor's trustee in bankruptcy is authorized to recover the property preferentially transferred. The mechanism of recovery is the avoidance of the transfer.[11] After such avoidance, the recovered property becomes property of the bankruptcy estate.[12] The period is usually 90 days. However, if the preferential transfer is made to an "insider," then the period is one year. An "insider" is generally a relative or one who has the ability to control the activities of the debtor.[13] The Bankruptcy Code provides some exemptions from these rules to accommodate transfers intended to be contemporaneous, made in the ordinary course of business or to the extent they are made for new value, and others.[14]
Quoted from iceman44:Absolutely clueless
OK Great...you say I am clueless. Thank you for that.
Still doesn't change a damn thing. We are not the courts , we are not the Judge. IF and when it goes to court, it will be decided there. You can shove all the legal definitions down our throats all you like, doesn't mean it will happen.
And may I add:
"The Bankruptcy Code provides some exemptions from these rules to accommodate transfers intended to be contemporaneous, made in the ordinary course of business or to the extent they are made for new value, and others."
I will choose to remain clueless with my position until a court of law says otherwise. Not from some Pinside CPA that is acting like a legal eagle wanna be.
Quoted from ChrisVW:I was following that listing too. My guess was that because the listing was pulled down so quickly he either got his asking price (or reasonably close) otherwise he would have left the listing up and collected offers or he received an offer from a known collector where haggling wasn't an issue. There are guys here in Seattle that if they sent me an offer and said I'll give you "X" for it, I would just consider it sold.
I would agree with you if this were a normal $5-$7000 deal where you have thousands of potential buyers. However, buyers in this price range are very few and very far between. So I'm skeptical at this altitude of how quickly this supposedly went down... And an ad placed in the LA CraigList could have been done by someone on the east coast to set a false "benchmark" price for a rare game.
Anyway, my point is, asking prices are an opening bid to negotiate from. Actual sales prices, like the ebay one, will be the benchmark prices. Everything else is speculation.
Hope you're doing well, Chris.
Quoted from ChrisVW:I was following that listing too. My guess was that because the listing was pulled down so quickly he either got his asking price (or reasonably close) otherwise he would have left the listing up and collected offers or he received an offer from a known collector where haggling wasn't an issue. There are guys here in Seattle that if they sent me an offer and said I'll give you "X" for it, I would just consider it sold.
Craigslist ads with high prices like that tend to get quickly flagged for deletion by the community.
Quoted from vdojaq:OK Great...you say I am clueless. Thank you for that.
Still doesn't change a damn thing. We are not the courts , we are not the Judge. IF and when it goes to court, it will be decided there. You can shove all the legal definitions down our throats all you like, doesn't mean it will happen.
You asked for it. Read up
It will happen. Watch and learn. Then you can run your mouth non stop about something you know ZERO about.
Then again, if Zidware is solvent and they can prove it and they have a plan to make Raza, Aiw and vendors whole then that's great.
And if pigs had wings they could fly
Raise your hand folks if you believe Johnny boy has it all figured out. Anybody? Didn't think so
Quoted from iceman44:You asked for it. Read up
It will happen. Watch and learn. Then you can run your mouth non stop about something you know ZERO about.
This is coming from a CPA right? If you were a bullshit salesman I would accuse you of spewing a mouthful of samples.
Quoted from Mr68:I suggest going private. Thanks guys.
I am done.
Quoted from Mr68:I suggest going private.
I suggest dropping the whole thing..... 
Quoted from Mr68:Don't start with me Ted, I'll cut ya.
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Quoted from MSN22:Would be funny if someone picks up the rights to Magic Girl and makes it in large numbers
I can't possibly see the demand for Magic Girl in large numbers
Quoted from iceman44:Then again, if Zidware is solvent and they can prove it and they have a plan to make Raza, Aiw and vendors whole then that's great.
And if pigs had wings they could fly
And if I ever receive my RAZA and could sell it for $25k I'd do it to. 
Quoted from cavalier88z24:her voice is sexy with that accent. pinball porn at it's finest
Sinead O'Connor-esque. Then again, I think Sinead is super sexy anyway.
If the next Magic Girl video's monologue begins with Brenda eating a bowl of Lucky Charms, I will donate $10 to Pinside.
Hopefully it's a video where they get a tournament player on that thing to give it a real once-over.
Quoted from guyincognito:I'd buy a Zizzle Magic Girl for around 400 bucks.
I wouldn't.
Quoted from guyincognito:I'd buy a Zizzle Magic Girl for around 400 bucks.
Quoted from Astropin:I wouldn't.
Quoted from guyincognito:If the next Magic Girl video's monologue begins with Brenda eating a bowl of Lucky Charms, I will donate $10 to Pinside.
Make it $20 and I'll make it happen! 
Quoted from spfxted:Make it $20 and I'll make it happen!
The director strikes back!
Quoted from Pinballlew:I can't possibly see the demand for Magic Girl in large numbers
IF the game were magically guaranteed to make it to largescale production. IF the game were magically guaranteed to have complete code. IF the game were somehow adjusted so the many, many, many geometry problems (and apparently missing entrances to playfields), etc were fixed.
I could see there being solid demand. On paper, the idea is good. The reality that came out? Well I mean we've all been watching the trainwreck. So basically, if the large numbers game were more or less none of the things the boutique game ended up being, yeah, sure I see demand.
Quoted from chadderack:Sinead O'Connor-esque. Then again, I think Sinead is super sexy anyway.
Younger pre-multiple mental breakdowns Sinead was at any rate!
Quoted from spfxted:Make it $20 and I'll make it happen!
Throw Bubba in there eating cereal and you have a deal.
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"The Bankruptcy Code provides some exemptions from these rules to accommodate transfers intended to be contemporaneous, made in the ordinary course of business or to the extent they are made for new value, and others."
Ordinary course of business- I bought a pinball machine. I'm finally receiving it on Thursday.
If Ford went bust, would people who recently bought a car have to return them? That seems rather unlikely.
No way MG buyers lose their machines to the bankruptcy estate. We are not Kevin money squirrels, and we have receipts, contracts and audit trails. I'm also a RAZA buyer and one of the plaintiffs, and intend to be part of any legal actions and to influence them. Moreover, I live outside US jurisdiction. Finally, if necessary I would vigorously defend myself in court regardless of cost. I note that Keith's victories so far have been default judgments; they did not go to court. Thus, please let's put the preferential fuckery to bed.
Like others I waited 5.5 years for MG, which I thought would never happen. I'm not going to profit from MG either financially or for PR purposes (not selling it; not making videos with my gf). I actually want to help the community by assisting with Jim's code update. Yet 'folks' here want to take my machine away, and from other MG buyers. What a lovely pinball 'community' we have here! FFS...
That girls voice in majic girl sounds like the same in TOM, she still alive?
Quoted from GotAQuestion:IF the game were magically guaranteed to make it to largescale production. IF the game were magically guaranteed to have complete code. IF the game were somehow adjusted so the many, many, many geometry problems (and apparently missing entrances to playfields), etc were fixed.
I could see there being solid demand. On paper, the idea is good. The reality that came out? Well I mean we've all been watching the trainwreck. So basically, if the large numbers game were more or less none of the things the boutique game ended up being, yeah, sure I see demand.
Funny thing is if versions of the game were mass produced with working mechs and code they'd be worth much less than these original 19/21/25/whatever crap machines
Quoted from Pinballs:"The Bankruptcy Code provides some exemptions from these rules to accommodate transfers intended to be contemporaneous, made in the ordinary course of business or to the extent they are made for new value, and others."
Ordinary course of business- I bought a pinball machine. I'm finally receiving it on Thursday.
If Ford went bust, would people who recently bought a car have to return them? That seems rather unlikely.
No way MG buyers lose their machines to the bankruptcy estate. We are not Kevin money squirrels, and we have receipts, contracts and audit trails. I'm also a RAZA buyer and one of the plaintiffs, and intend to be part of any legal actions and to influence them. Moreover, I live outside US jurisdiction. Finally, if necessary I would vigorously defend myself in court regardless of cost. I note that Keith's victories so far have been default judgments; they did not go to court. Thus, please let's put the preferential fuckery to bed.
Like others I waited 5.5 years for MG, which I thought would never happen. I'm not going to profit from MG either financially or for PR purposes (not selling it; not making videos with my gf). I actually want to help the community by assisting with Jim's code update. Yet 'folks' here want to take my machine away, and from other MG buyers. What a lovely pinball 'community' we have here! FFS...
Good luck with your MG!!
Quoted from Pinballs:Yet 'folks' here want to take my machine away, and from other MG buyers. What a lovely pinball 'community' we have here! FFS...
Nobody wants to take away your precious MG. At least you and a few others are actually keeping what you paid for. I don't know how many times i have to say it, its not the MG buyers fault, its all John.
And you are 100% correct, what a F ing lovely pinball community we have here! For those that don't get it, you have your pin because many others sacrificed. How do you think people that got F ed feel, other buyers and vendors? Guys that got made whole, that's great.
Happy for you.
It's ok to be all in on the LEGAL train when it benefits you, but omg, wtf, when it goes against you its all BS right?
F that. Hypocrites. Comments directed at those who deserve it only.
Ice, you give out really mixed vibes sometimes
I got fucked as I ordered RAZA. I also got fucked as I ordered Predator. Oh look, third time lucky I got a MG.
I paid for my MG in full. No-one else paid for it. I have a receipt and everything. Jpop pilfered RAZA and AIW money- I did not. Nor did other MG purchasers.
That's my layman view. Of course I appreciate the legalities are complex (law needs a profession, after all).
I got to "play" Magic Girl today. I put that in quotes because it isn't really play-able due to ball-trap issues. I could start a game and bat the ball around for a while, but ramp shots would often get stuck in the upper right corner where the ball moves from one ramp the other. I don't think that will be a difficult spot to ball-proof, but that wasn't the only one. I can confirm what you have all seen in the Special-K videos, unfinished code, missing hardware, etc. and I'll add one small thing I noticed, a stand up target that can't be hit! It's under the ramp on the left side. The only approach is from the orbit. There is no direct shot from either flipper and no way to bounce it in there either. See photo.
Quoted from JeffTaylor:and I'll add one small thing I noticed, a stand up target that can't be hit! It's under the ramp on the left side
That's pretty f**king funny.
Is there a possibility it could be hit from the other side? ie the switch is in the wrong way round?
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Quoted from iceman44:Nobody wants to take away your precious MG. At least you and a few others are actually keeping what you paid for. I don't know how many times i have to say it, its not the MG buyers fault, its all John.
And you are 100% correct, what a F ing lovely pinball community we have here! For those that don't get it, you have your pin because many others sacrificed. How do you think people that got F ed feel, other buyers and vendors? Guys that got made whole, that's great.
Happy for you.
It's ok to be all in on the LEGAL train when it benefits you, but omg, wtf, when it goes against you its all BS right?
F that. Hypocrites. Comments directed at those who deserve it only.
Almost every magic girl buyer also had money on raza... if anyone wants to spend $30k I can set u up with one
Ice, thanks for your PM. In terms of 'fuck everybody else', I have done the opposite- I am one of the few Jpop customers who bothered to sue Jpop for MG and RAZA. This is what led to MG being produced, let us not forget. And don't worry, I won't be asking you for a contribution towards my $500.00.
I am not pulling out of that legal action because of receiving MG (maybe the MG component obviously, but not RAZA). Thus, I am actively helping RAZA and AIW customers, and paid $500.00 to join the legal action, putting money where my mouth is.
I feel dreadful for what these guys are going through and am on the same side- I've experienced this with 3 machines after all !
If there is a bankruptcy filing I'll probably join that too, because I believe in justice and fairness.
You say it's not MG buyers' fault, yet also say we have the attitude of 'fuck everybody else'. This is unfair and untrue. I will not apologise for the unexpected good fortune of finally receiving a nearly-working MG that I paid for years ago. This is the classic trap of racing to the bottom via divide and rule. Instead, we should maintain our allegiance and try to improve the situation i.e. by continuing the legal fight. But I will not accept an argument of preference payment in respect of MG orders, and if that's your legal position (which is your right), then I'll meet you in court
But, hey, it's just pinball, right? Fluffy fun time
Quoted from JeffTaylor:I got to "play" Magic Girl today. I put that in quotes because it isn't really play-able do to ball-trap issues. I could start a game and bat the ball around for a while, but ramp shots would often get stuck in the upper right corner where the ball moves from one ramp the other. I don't think that will be a difficult spot to ball-proof, but that wasn't the only one. I can confirm what you have all seen in the Special-K videos, unfinished code, missing hardware, etc. and I'll add one small thing I noticed, a stand up target that can't be hit! It's under the ramp on the left side. The only approach is from the orbit. There is no direct shot from either flipper and no way to bounce it in there either. See photo.
The impossible target that can't be hit, as designed. . .no better metaphor for the entire Zidware project.
Quoted from Pinballs:Ice, thanks for your PM.
Yours didn't have the title "F you Pinballs", did it? Mine did. 
Well, I mean, it was "F you Corny", not "F you Pinballs", because that would be weird.
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