Alice in Wonderland is not licensed IP by anyone, it is open IP (some interpretations of it are licensed like the two Disney movies). If pinball stays popular for awhile someone will eventually do the theme but it won't be Zidware in my estimation.

When Lawlor signed up to do the unlicensed game with JJP I was really hoping it would be either Alice or King Author (neither require a license but have easy to recognize IP).

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE knows exactly what this game is at this point. I doubt some civilian is gonna just stumble upon that auction and buy it for $20K +.

I think this thing will sell and the seller will profit handsomly. There's a couple "MG wanted" posts here.

I have been thinking for awhile wishing that YOU had bought one of these MG's, because I knew you could solve a lot of problems. Now that I see you have one, I have every confidence you can bring those mechs to life!!!

Mike in Kentucky

Well there is one bid on EBay...I will be watching to see what it goes for.

10% of the total amount of the sale

Maximum fee is $750

Benchmark price on a sold Magic Girl is currently $23,000.00

It's a shame people willing to buy
And pay Such money for a rip off artist machine

"Past performance is not an indicator of future results"

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Yeah that would rock.

Well, it has a bid already!

Lets just say... I am from MO.

I know of three sales personally. This is by far the low end.

--
Rob Anthony
Pinball Classics
http://LockWhenLit.com
Quality Board Work - In Home Service
borygard at gmail dot com

King Author would need a license for any of his books or movies. Christine, Creepshow, Misery, so many possibilities from his body of work.

There is already 1 bid at $20k

Stern is probably watching this thinking "wow, the worse a game is.. the more its worth! we're doing it all wrong!"

Or how bad do you feel for the guy behind WOOLY? Scraps together for years... builds.. what.. 5 games? And is largely overlooked.. JPOP creates a jFlop... people are willing to throw money at each other just to say they have one.

Unfreaking believable and a bizzaro world we live in.

Thank you for the confirmation.

interesting to know. Thanks for confirmation Rob! Glad to see you got yours and hope it has enough there that you can make it shine.

bm 66 sle with shitty code looks like a bargain now!

I know of one personally that sold in the last few days for far north of 30k...
I wouldn't be surprised to see this eBay auction go much much higher.

It's really not as bizarre as some people are making it out to be. Anyone who has downloaded Pinball Arcade has played a JPOP pin. He is well known. That's why people throw money at him.

Why does this game have any value at all outside of maybe the scrap value?

It's not the completed game that buyers were promised. I don't see how it's a "great story" like K-Dizzle keeps blabbering on about... it's a rip-off scam without a happy ending where the con-artist released a barely functioning prototype in an attempt to avoid legal prosecution. It's possible that community members, owners and Jim/Applejuice/sauce could spend time and effort to improve it's play-ability. At that point though, how much of the game is a JPop game versus a community-built homebrew pin? Sure Jim/AJ/AS could write more code for it, but at what point is he made whole along with all the others who were ripped off by JPop? Who cares about "nice art" (which is subjective, and discounts all the great pins out there with "nice art" that are much less than $16,000), when it's not even something you'd want to turn on and play to satisfy your desire to flip?

Missing code is bad enough, I hope it doesn't set a new industry standard for releasing unfinished pins without working mechs.

Let Ebay temperatures sizzle for non believers that did not understand the market.

"Gotta ride the pinball hype train, choo choo!"

I'd agree with that.. if it were 2011/2012... but it's 2017 and we know what is at stake now.

Eventually

alice in wonderland (resized).jpg

This really just opens up the door for the next sham pinball company.. when people see people selling MagicGirl for many thousands more than they put out.. every Tom Dick and Harry is going to throw money at a project hoping for a payoff... no matter how sketchy it is.

I disagree.....lol!

No way. No one is going to put any money in a pre-order at this point on a start-up unless it's a nominal deposit. Like $250 or less. Even then, probably not.

Business plan:
1. Don't have ANY operating capital. That's 100% covered in pre-orders.
2. Announce pin
3. Get preorder cash
4. Stop communicating
5. As for actually building the pin, ur, um,, ahh.. *car door slams* *sound car speeding away*

"We" =/= everyone who buys pinball machines.

Most people I know with collections hate the internet in general, much less us bickering bozos on Pinside.

When you look at the history of TOTAN on Pinball Arcade, it doesn't include how JPOP can't work unsupervised.

I respectfully disagree. WC Fields said something, can't quite remember what it was...

Any man who hates dogs and babies can't be all bad?

"A rich man is nothing but a poor man with money"

"If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There’s no point in being a damn fool about it"

"Attitude is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than what people do or say. It is more important than appearance, giftedness, or skill."

"It’s morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."

I bet the ebay auction fills JPop with confidence. He can squeeze out a couple RAZAs and AIWs to fulfill preorders and he's out of legal trouble. He could act like this was his plan all along and the legal dispute was unnecessary worrying by the buyers.

Well, all these observations about how right now, the secondary market is determining the true value of the limited run of MG pins to 'collectors' certainly makes you wonder what JPOP could have raised by auctioning off the machines and then distributing the monies amongst all the creditors (customers, vendors, Pintasia, etc.) as I imagine the courts might have compelled him to do if he was forced into bankruptcy prior to last week.

Similarly, we know that one Pinsider who is an attorney was suggesting that the creditors all get together and agree on an amicable split.

It seems like using Frolic's math, recapturing a good deal of that $1MM wouldn't have been completely out of the question if pins are selling anywhere close to $40k each.

Now it's surely too late. With all that's left of Zidware now, after the games have left, it'd be like dividing up a sack of beans.

Pretty good read to go back and read the blog
https://magicgirldev.wordpress.com/page/11/

fattrain, you also claimed the original sold to Chris for 24k...

You are being quite transparent here I will say.

Not your typical style.

A year from now, 20K will seem like a steal. I bet this will go much further north that 20 big ones.

Don't understand why everyone is so shocked about this game's resale value.

This is the same hobby where a repro BBB goes for 20k and there's 175 (ish) of them. Do the original 10 ever change hands?

Also the same hobby where 80 people couldn't give Stern 15k fast enough for BM66SLE.

Let's face it, pre-orders are a lottery - and the MG owners just won.

I'm not typically transparent? Ummmm.... what?

I'm pretty sure I've been nothing but a positive good pinsider here since day 1 but if anyone thinks of less of me I encourage them to speak up.

yeah they won a piece of shit that barely plays.

Mayyybe.. If you figure $16k at 4% interest, that's $20k in 6 years... So everyone made the same as putting it into a CD bond (unless of course the value exceeds $20k).

If they sell the game.

I'm sorry, but anyone who owns one of these next year either foolishly paid a lot for junk or foolishly should have sold it while the crazy frenzy was happening (now).

I think it is because most of us buy pinball to play it rather than mainly look at it. Also, this game makes me a little more sick each time I see details of the delivered game and how it is lacking mechs and code. I personally would not want the daily reminder of this heartache staring me in the face every time I walk up to my games.

You are of course right. You're a model Pinsider.

I'm going to give Hilton the benefit of the doubt and assume he means most people with uber high end collections like you are not transparent and you are one of the exceptions, and that he just worded this belief in an awkward way? I dunno...comment seemed out of place otherwise if it was a personal target on you.