It's only the "official" video.

If I had money tied into this project I'd be throwing up after looking at that video. What a waste of money.

K better open the damn box. His impressions are great material. It's time for K to comeback to Pinside. His podcast has shown an awesome passion for pinball and he he been pretty fair lately With his criticisms. Now no one wants to hear drunk K podcasts (which he has done), but he is entertainig now without being obnoxious, which is more than I can say for a certain upstate NY based podcast.

The perfect podcast would be a Taylor / Nate / "K" one. Oh and Tommy you can join also...

The guy puts up some video and just because he's not a pinball wizard, he gets shit??! Only on Pinside.

I appreciate your effort, fattrain . And I'll be thankful when better footage shows up.

I'm sure we'll get video of Crazy Levi playing Kaneda's Magic Girl within a few days.

I think the video looks good fattrain, thanks for posting it.

All the Jpop swansong with these 19 games may have achieved is to trigger an involuntary bankruptcy filing, which pinsider attorneys seem to be creaming their jeans about.

I'm concerned I may get a MG after nearly six years, then be sued in a couple of months' time to return it to the debtor's estate. You couldn't make this up. Only if the involuntary bankruptcy filing occurs > 90 days after MG is shipped to me is my MG (probably) safe.

Jpop might as well give up now.

This is a never-ending farcical voyage through an ocean of shit.

That costs extra.

But opening the box is like removing the Star Wars action figure from its bubble card. The value drops immediately....

Game looks horrible. Looks like the ramp will never work and it's super clunky

19 games are allegedly ready to ship. Before this tiny glimmer of hope glimmers you want to stamp on it. Jpop claims he will work on RAZA next. Isn't it worth a try? Small chance I know, but I previously thought $15,995.00 was lost, plus my RAZA pre-order monies. Maybe it isn't lost yet?

How much would you get in a lawsuit? The one I'm in now was 25% winnings to the attorney, after years, and probably little winnings, and $500 up-front fee. Not so glorious vs getting a machine.

This is the first step towards something positive happening in this 6 year nightmare... do you really want to snuff it out? Just sayin'...

Allegedly yes, although Jpop doesn't reply to emails, as we know (I asked for a shipping date!).

I really don't know the answer. I'm conflicted as I ordered both MG and RAZA, and I'm suing Jpop, and I hate how the vendors were screwed.

The first positive since this debacle began was the MG announcement, and I fear that may be snuffed out in a few days when an involuntary bankruptcy filing is made and the Zidware estate is frozen. Would this MG development lead to RAZAs being made? That's the $64,000 question...

I may just be being selfish by leveraging for MG shipment, I accept that, and frankly it's academic if there a bankruptcy filing, as I would then be sued to return the MG to the debtor's estate. Funny old world, and no easy answer to all this.

So funny, I was thinking that same thing. Some like to tuck in those T-shirts

25% is a shit deal, but was the only deal, and frankly I never expected to get money back from an LLC anyway. There were other motivations...

Technically with some of my RAZA money too

I hope for RAZA/AIW in the future, but I agree- bloody slim chance.

As for MG, I extend this offer to fellow Brit Applejuice- you visit my house to play MG as often and for as long as you like, and free drinks! You were treated (like ZY and others) most shabbily and shamefully by Jpop, and I hope he is shamed by this for the rest of his life.

Might want to hope the attorney doesn't discover how much people are speculating MG might be bringing, 'cash wise'. He may come seeking that 25%.

you have had years to do this, and now that there is a chance that some will get something, you want to start this all of a sudden. Great timing.

To those that say that this will not go up in value, you really dont have a clue then. I already have a buyer wanting me to find him one in the 20k+ range, and my three friends that are supposed to get one have no desire to sell yet. So the price will go up on these whether you like it or not. Just not to you. But there are several high end collectors that do just that, collect, and they want it for the simple facts of very limited, and the story that goes with it

It's Shiner:30 at iceman's!

Yeah @vidgameseller, YOUR attitude sucks.

Seems like the pot has been sufficiently stirred by last week's announcement. However, are we sure anything is *really* happening this time? A few people here (rosh) have said they've seen the cabinets. We all know just how many announcements have been made over the years and then nothing for a long time. Could be another stall tactic.

Unfortunately, a lot of people were not even involved in pinball and understand the history of the development of the game. There are a lot of people that may be "owed" something, but that is not necessarily how the end works out.

Envy is a terrible thing for those that "hate" either new collector blood with money or old collectors that were savvy and smart with buys regarding collections.

People also forget the investment of AP in this project to finish building the potential albatross as well, predominately for marketing exposure and credibility.

The efforts are working, but this game came at no small cost or effort on their behalf. Some of the players in the middle are being rewarded, so not everybody involved for "left out in the cold", if it makes people feel better.

Placing blame on original MG "investors" is just another means of directing jealousy against inability to afford the machine in the first place, which as I stated previously was not meant for the "average" collector, if anybody actually believed this was the concept. Many of the "investors" had their ideas incorporated into the game, so it was not just a few individuals.

I still have a personal belief that just because you can, does not mean you should (monetarily) unless it is your "holy grail". That does not others should dictate how a collector spends their money or decided to get caught up in offline buying wars.

As I stated in 5 years, most people here will have already moved on and got out of the hobby, unless they find redirected focus to other aspects than chasing "Le violen rouge" or getting financially burned and dusgruntled when a boutique pinball supplier declares bankruptcy before receiving their game 2-3 years later after patiently waiting for nothing.
If a person cannot see basic similarities to even the Zidware situation, please take a step back and evaluate. Be careful.

This should be a concern regarding the "state of the industry" as the health is not as rosey as people may believe, and neither is the market. There is only two companies that could survive a full stall at the present time.

The proper term of this situation is a "pinball gazoo", in terms of definition. The areas mentioned are not unfeasibilities, as the lawsuit is ongoing. People are just having hands waved in front of their face, in the spirit of MG. One of the dimensions that is causing thus game to take on a legend of its own.

It is far from over.

If zombieyeti and applejuice are due games, which i have no reason to believe that either are lying. Then hopefully they have a contract that states that, and then they have legal ramifications to go after jpop if he delivers games to others and not them. The delivery date has not come yet, so none of us know if there are games with their names on it.

If they do not have anything that states this, then sadly, they need to cough it up as a life lesson in business. Business is business, you dont trust anyone, hence the reason for contracts. And sometimes, you have to learn that the hard way. Hopefully, they have emails or something like that stating that they are to be paid with a game. But that is where i have a hard time understanding it. Because if there is supposed to be a limited run of 19 machines, and that is what is sold, then technically, there should not be any other games. Its not like it was advertised as a limited number plus one to each vendor, etc. SO hopefully, the vendors are considered part of the original numbers. I have not seen an owners list to tell me one way or another

HOnestly, the people that "bought" one do not owe ZY or AJ anything, So saying that they are disrespecting them or other vendors is just stupid.

ANd if you dont like my attitude about telling facts, well, i really dont care

So are you saying back when RAZA was still BHZA I should have gotten in for the extra $1K and they would be setting it up in my house soon?

Hey Ben, you can stay in the house but that other guy needs to get a hotel room. He look like he might smell as bad as his reputation.

Your attitude sucks IMHO! You should care! If some of the above people you refrenced in your post decide to push Zidware/JPOP into BK then not even the chosen few (19 people) get their MG... just something to think about.

Lots of opinions going around but at the end of the day, the only people's opinions that really count are those that were pricincipally invovled (investors in this and the other two games, vendors, JPOP, Brandeis, ZY, Applejuice, etc). Everybody else (myself included) are just the peanut gallery.

As for the value, I speculate that it will appreciate. Its value is not impacted in the least in how it plays. People that are fixated on how it plays (that aren't in on it) do not appreciate that MG is a limited commodity and will be treated as such, not as a pinball machine in the traditional sense. This is a machine that was geared to buyers of a certain economic level and not for the masses. People with money will buy this purely as a status symbol. Not right or wrong, just the way that it is.

To the people that are getting the machine, I hope it lives up to your expectations, whatever they are. To the people that did not get their fair share, I hope you get a resolution. To the supporters of the game, I hope you get to see/play one one day. And for the haters, keep hating.

"I still have a personal belief that just because you can, does not mean you should (monetarily) unless it is your "holy grail". That does not dictate how a collector spends their money or decided to get caught up in offline buying wars."

I already answered your question, it just requires the reading of the details.
This is a private choice.

If you feel cheated, I cannot assist you.

I watched this exact gazoo before in 2005.

If you know the pinball history, you will know the game, people, enthusiasts, collectors, designers, manufacturers, investors, parts suppliers, and legal battles I am referring to overall. It was "unfun".

In fact, the relative comparison is exactly what is happening today all over again.
I did not stay in this hobby for many years for the above reason.
That would be absolutely make no sense.

People need to find contentment soon, or they will bail out like the last generation even before the latest barcade fad ends.
I find this by helping others fix, find, or educate on pinball.

I saw multiple machines leaving today in the hands of their owners. Not my place to say who it was, but I suspect it will be public soon enough.

Hey @rosh, can you comment any on how you like working for AP? I am excited to see how things develop for them as a company and their (and yours) new projects coming down the pipe.

Agreed. I think it is time to start a new thread -

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/magic-girl-discussion-thread-brakage-issue-and-other#post-3605610

props to you ICE for looking out for others and doing what is right.

pretty sad that some people on MG want and are actively trying to dissuade others form doing what is right and forcing Jpop into bankruptcy.

Of course, NOW is the time to do it. Up until recently many thought there were zero assets to recover. Itis now obvious that there are 20 MG which some of these same people seem to think are worth 40k each on secondary market (LOL).

That makes it obvious that the right and fair (plus SMART) thing to do is force bankruptcy, auction these 20 games for top dollar and if they really bring in the 800,000 that people think then you have more money to divide among ALL the people owned money.

Lets talk reality if you dont force bankruptcy. Jpop is apparently broke and this is his one bail out. The MG games only got built with the obvious help of American pinball so they could save themselves where they were potted into Jpop and it was too late to get out. Seems obvious there is no feasible path to RAZA and surely not AiW either. American Pinball has apparently cut ties and keep john issolated already form houdini.

ICE, get 2 other people and get the legal papers filed ASAP! It is the right thing to do to take care of the whole group, even if some greedy few want everyone to just chill for 90 days after they get their MGs.

How about a thread for all of us RAZA owners to help complete our own games.
Hey John, at least give us the cabinet and maybe a semi populated playfield we paid for. I'm sure the thread would help to get it built faster than you ever will.

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But if MG is a POS with breakable parts and support goes to hell what are people going to thing of AP?

I already fix a few. I'm typing with a beer in one hand two dogs and two cat who have not seen me all day and a woman, um who sees my typing this and is waiting to see what I say so I'll just leave with as "I'll fix that ASAP"

I would take an empty RAZA cabinet with an unpopulated playfield and call it even at this point, but that a pipe dream I know I will never see a damn thing from John.

We get it.

I'm really starting to wonder if you have an agenda.

Nothing wrong with a little encourangement and a dissenting voice when there are a few people on here crying foul if someone forces jpop into bankruptcy. Getting a lawyer can feel like a daunting task, but in reality it is not very hard and what is the real downside for any raza owner. Something is better than nothing. also, the clock is ticking so sounds like you need to get on it or have the option removed. Would really suck to not take action and put in more blond faith only to find there will never be raza and 20 people walked out the door with the majority of the recoverable assets.

From the language used and lack of reference to raza and aiw since american pinball got involved, the writing is on the wall.

I agree with others that I am amazed people have waited this long, but now there are reasons tomtake action.

No, a lot of what he says makes sense on this to a person like me who has no skin in this game. If these games are going to be so valuable then grab the assets, sell them for top dollar, and split up the proceeds. Again, this is coming from someone outside looking in....I am sure my opinion would be different if I had invested the money and was expecting my game.

Sadly, all of this is likely a moot point if folks are already removing their games. Once they take possession, they are gone.

Nope, but them removing the assets starts the clock ticking.

The longer you wait, the less the chance of recovery. 90 days by the sound of it.

Whysnow you are actually giving unqualified advice and encouraging behavior from an uninformed perspective. Unsecured investors should consult their legal council on the best way to proceed. As you have not stake in the matter, you should probably stay on the sidelines and let people proceed under their own best actions.

This is a harsh reality that some just do not want to swallow. It sucks, but it's 100% the truth. It seems as JPop was playing Oprah, you get a game, and you get a game, and you get a game, but never put it in writing. The anger needs to be 100% directed at JPop, the buyers have no responsibility in this.