You wasted it

Preserved your actual post before the edit.

And I got a Palindrome to boot

Lol. Perfect anticlimactic post for 20k

What else would you expect in a Jpop thread...

Well played good sir!

That is the code for bonus deprecation, where a business can take some purchases and exp them rather than capitalized, lessens their taxable income.

Even I know that...though it's been a few years.

Reserved???? Wtf
Hilton I hope you have something worth saying in post 20,000

Why start now?

I thought it was your booze limit you hit. LoL.

Those shot multipliers are currently uncapped.

#wheresthecode

I don't want to sound cynical here, but until someone plays Houdini, how does anyone know it's not just another foam core mock-up like the Zidware Kiss machine?

As I understand, the MG's where sold for $14k (and change). People made downpayments, some as high as $7k. They are happy to pay the other half to finally get their MG (sunk cost fallacy).

While apparently, AP will sell Houdini for $6995 (half price of MG). I would not be surprised if they end up selling and building more MG's than only the pre-ordered ones.

Pictures of these pins or we are really wasting time here.

Yeah can someone post pics of that Houdini pin

As posted in the other thread:

As I was preparing my monthly Pinball Magazine Newsletter with the recap of September I found myself wondering about a thing or two about American Pinball. As I've had some email contact with them last week when Houdini was first announced I dropped them an email and asked whether they would be up for a quick phone interview. As they were I figured: let's turn that into a podcast and they were OK with that. So here's the first Pinball Magazine podcast: A quick interview with Scott Goldberg and Dhaval Vasani of American Pinball.

https://soundcloud.com/user-935579828/pinball-magazine-podcast-01-american-pinball
https://soundcloud.com/user-935579828

Please note: I'm not trying to be Nate or any of the other podcasts, but this was the quickest way to get the interview out. So don't expect any tunes, jingles and all that kind of stuff. This is just a phone interview with an intro and outro. During the interview at some point the audio dropped away on Scott's end, but I left it like that. I figured what he was trying to say was pretty clear.

Hope you enjoy and appreciate the effort

Cheers,

Jonathan
http://www.pinball-magazine.com

Where have you been Rip Van Winkle?

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If JPop is at the expo no one will care about the 20k post, they will care about the 25k post.

PInside needs to update to 20k+ as it's stuck on 19k+

I think it counts posts net of deletion, whereas the counter per post herein is gross post without considering deleted posts.

My friend taxman will probably be in on a nib Magic Girl if it turns out not to be photoshop.

I already have mine.

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You should be seriously ashamed of yourself. Those games are really not leveled right, come on!

That was a great interview sir, thanks for arranging it and sharing.

Is this better? I leveled them after I installed my deluxe Pin-Footsies.

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Okay, that made me laugh. Well done!

what if a miracle happens and these cabinets are really delivered to the people that ordered them. I know big IF, but would you still be able to enjoy them? I mean i would just be remembered to something i want to forget.

What about it, you all want to keep em?

Also since the chance of getting one is gone up from 0.1 to 10% What would your seat be worth now? Anyone want to sell their ticket for less then they invested? I mean i wouldn't ... i'll just ride it out. But i wonder how you guys think about it.

Yes, i think the rough ride will make it more legend eventually.
Bbb has it's stories too.
If everybody receives a machine,the wounds will mend and the history of zidware will just be a story to tell to people who look at your machine.
A miracle IS happening...thanks to American Pinball.

Woa, slow your roll a little bit. At least until they show a flipping machine.

The stories of BBB getting done I think contributed greatly to people's belief in both Predator and the Zidware games being possible, if late. I wouldn't use it as any sort of claim now.

Now it's all on AP to put up or shut up.

Not if they followed along from the beginning.

Them actually getting done may have done it.

LTG : )

Gene displayed heart, resolute determination and clear intention to get it done. He also had solid basic resources when he started.

JPop portrayed more of a fantasy of extreme pinball design and glory. He wanted to create it all himself.

I recalled watching and listening to Gene's speech about building BBB and sensing that determination in his voice. I failed to commit when I knew I should have. When JPop came along, I jumped on the band wagon with full faith, not wanting to miss out on that next opportunity. In retrospect, I should have paid more attention to what I was really seeing. Hind sight is 20-20.

Not quite.

Originally half the money up front the rest when done. A year in he needed the other half. He himself did lose a lot of money on the project.

Four different groups, one after another over the years worked on it. A lot of volunteers helped a lot too.

LTG : )

Thanks Lloyd. Yes, he lost a ton of money on the project but it was so nice to see it done. A lot of happy customers, as expected a few capitalized on the investment. (can't blame them really)

I was impressed most I think by the determination to try and see it through. JPop might have done about as well if he had accepted all the volunteer help that was being offered to him.

If you are the positive thinking voice in a pinside topic, it feels like you get the villain treatment.
Take a sidenote of that if you will.
A miracle is happening, i am not talking about deep rulesheets and stuff.
But about an entity that is helping out solving a horrible problem for a lot of people.

What i think nobody understands, is that FIRST you are thankful and polite to someone like that.
Your mama raised you like that..
Ap reads pinside too.
If they don't deliver, feel free to have your negative opinion?!
Face to face you would all shuffle your feet,and mumble thank you..

I would like to receive a pinball from these guys if you don't mind?

Now downvote me,good luck with that.

Not calling you a villain. Just that you are getting ahead of yourself. They havent actually done anything of note yet.

Well maybe you're right. Heck, if AP and JPOP can come up with a second miracle, we can start the formal process for Sainthood.
First up, beatification.

If you start with stoning them ? why should they build a machine for you?

Trust, but Verify.

Wasn't this the exact argument people made to keep coddling JPOP and not question him, which allowed him to perpetrate the fraud for years?
If a healthy bit of skepticism on an internet forum causes AP to decide not to build a machine for you, then they were never going to build a game for you.

You call this healthy skepticism?
Are you for real?

No, I'm fake. Don't tell anybody.

And frankly, I'm beginning to question whether you are really a rockstar, pinball or otherwise.

My first thought was "are you for real"? There is no miracle happening. Even if they made and actually delivered every single MG game to the rightful owners they would only be about 10% done. What about ALL the RAZA & AIW owners!!? There are WAY MORE RAZA and AIW owners than MG. MG is just the tip......and even that is unlikely to get done, we shall see.

The whole thing screams scam. Should have called themselves Nigerian Pinball.

But people never learn.

Seen from an outsider: I never was a Jpop fan so I was (and still is) immune to the hype.

People never learn if they preorder from AP or put a large deposit.
But now assuming you could "cash and carry" a Houdini pin, why not? Especially if MG has shipped in the meantime?

AP (assuming it's legit and not a scam) made the bold bet that JPop name would attract publicity... well, it does! Good and Bad.

Time will tell if they can deliver. Let the MG/RAZA/AIW group of owners deal with AP. I'll keep an open mind until things are settled.