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John Popadiuk update thread……MAGIC GIRL, RAZA, AIW…..


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#19651 3 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

Where is this 150K sq ft factory located at?

I am thinking the Aimtron building/location in Palatine.

#19652 3 years ago

Corny has always seemed a bit of a delicate flower. He'll probably be back.

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#19653 3 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

He got upset with some of the stuff in the two other JPop/AP threads that were closed, as well as being moderated for some of the stuff he said.

Will miss him terribly.

#19654 3 years ago

15,000sqft not 150,000sqft

#19655 3 years ago
Quoted from pinballrockstar:

no,that was a dude who looked like my online me

OK. Nice to meet you then!

#19656 3 years ago
Quoted from DerGoetz:

Do I miss something?
They have an employee that owes people money, correct?
I have a customer myself who owes me money for a year now, doubt that his employer will reimburse me. Or should I call their number and open conversation?
You guys are a trip....

At first they announce themselves as a completely unrelated and new thing ... so why the desire to even deal with MG?

My guess is that these news games will be based heavily on the Jpop games. When they do reveal, people are going to look at them under a microscope and say "heh - that is the art for MG, the ramp from RAZA ..." If there are elements of those games in AP's games... well, you can't just use the assets from another company without it linking back in some manner.

The plot thickens...

#19657 3 years ago

I think it's safe to say their flying by the seat of their pants, and don't have their shit together management wise lol

#19658 3 years ago
Quoted from Rascal_H:

Will miss him terribly.

Like the plague!

#19659 3 years ago
Quoted from vdojaq:

I am thinking the Aimtron building/location in Palatine.

That building is 44,000 sq. ft.

#19660 3 years ago
Quoted from mrgone:

I won't hold my breath.

I see what you did there.....

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#19661 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballSTAR:

I will add whoever the folks are behind American Pinball - they owe us nothing. We do not expect them to pay for their employee's wrongs. BUT if you expect support from this community given who they have hired - there are caveats with that... They came HERE on Pinside and are trying to go to Expo to drum up support and sales... They came into OUR house, so earn that platform first.

Who's house? You have quite a diversified bunch of people on here, and not everyone thinks in knee-jerk reactions like yourself.

Prior to this American Pinball thing, the chances of a MG, RZ or AIW buyer getting something to show for their investment was hovering right around zero. Nada. Zilch. Well's dry and not even lawsuits can make money out of air.

Now you have a company that claims it will try to make good on those old debts. Make the old games, build the brand. And they show more production than John was ever able to. Sure, there's a really good chance this will fall apart, but it looks like the chances for the aforementioned buyers to get *something* is now greater than zero.

I'd absolutely give these guys a stage at Expo. Let them either make good news, or bury themselves. It is NOT Expo's job to choose favorites between pinball companies (and I can't help but note you're a distributor whom American Pinball would be competing with). Running AP out of business before they can even start doesn't really help matters. Expo gave JPOP a stage and he happily used it to prove to the pinball community he had absolutely no clue. That was very useful information. People need information, and kicking companies out of Expo does not further that goal.

#19662 3 years ago
Quoted from hardware:

OK. Nice to meet you then!

Likewise hardware

#19663 3 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

And they show more production than John was ever able to.

Honestly, JPop could have spent the last near making more cabinets and that's the photo of them. It's not like cabinets are crazy expensive.

#19664 3 years ago

But still, the cabinets are there for a reason?
Ah man...just when i finally shook of this topic...
I am on it harder than before

#19665 3 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Honestly, JPop could have spent the last near making more cabinets and that's the photo of them. It's not like cabinets are crazy expensive.

True, but I doubt he would have built the "non-special-zidware-but-practical" version we're seeing. His ego would be a major roadblock to such an undertaking

#19666 3 years ago

This has to be the most bizarre plot twist I've seen on Pinside to date.

Empty cabinet pictures. A broken English website. Mysterious phone calls. Grandiose promises of retribution.

Smells weird and fishy as hell to me!

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#19667 3 years ago

No news on G2E? Anyone there?

#19668 3 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

They know it too... hence their offer:
"We American-Pinball empathize with the Zidware customers and therefore we are excited to share the following news with all of you.
By the end of 2016, Magic Girl machines will be delivered to their rightful owners."
If this AP company delivers games and/or money back to all Zidware customers, then they'all have incredible customer loyalty capital on their hands. I guess we'lol have to wait and see what they have to say.

This is the most weird and conflicting comments made by American Pinball so far. To start, AP has no connection to JPop's past sins to MG customers, AP is a completely unconnected new company, et.etc. they are a new company (Per AP facebook post they are using John Papduik and that goes on and on about JPop, blah, blah).

AP's next Facebook post , they ARE going to take on the MG delivery obligation - so they are taking over John's past sins and debts owed?? That's a complete 180.

Again, lots of strangeness since AP came on the scene, escalated Friday through the weekend - but this not part of ZIdware, but will now take on MG delivery obligation... WTF?

And yes, lots of other troubling unanswered questions, and AP has made NO mention of making all of John's debtors or other deposits on RAZA or AIW whole (just "empathy for MG deliveries - and is that even a real commitment, or just empathy??) , nor any mention of taking on John's payables to CoinTaker, GLM, Pinball Life - and no addressing of Bill Brandeis/Pintasia owner of the license.

#19669 3 years ago

I need popcorn.

#19670 3 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

They know it too... hence their offer:
"We American-Pinball empathize with the Zidware customers and therefore we are excited to share the following news with all of you.
By the end of 2016, Magic Girl machines will be delivered to their rightful owners."
If this AP company delivers games and/or money back to all Zidware customers, then they'all have incredible customer loyalty capital on their hands. I guess we'lol have to wait and see what they have to say.

Empathize - that's not saying they have an obligation. But then the next sentence, they are taking it on and committing to make MG delivered by 12/31/16??

Now that AP promises delivery of MG - it seems AP takes on all Zidware accounts payable to vendors and customer deposits.

#19671 3 years ago

so, if a customer had fully paid for Magic Girl,

how much more money will American ask them to give for delivery?

5k? 10k? $15k?

#19672 3 years ago

Color me surprised that the big show unveiling today was a non-event. Of course nothing has changed with anything regarding any of this.

#19673 3 years ago
Quoted from scott_freeman:

so, if a customer had fully paid for Magic Girl,
how much more money will American ask them to give for delivery?
5k? 10k? $15k?

That's the thing. AP says that the MG purchasers will be made whole, but doesn't say that they will not owe more money.

IF they are able to actually build a version of MG, I would not be surprised if their response was: "OK we built MG now the owners will just need to send in an additional 16k to get their game! Send money now!"

#19674 3 years ago

I do know Tim (Cornelius) did fly to Vegas for the "unveiling". He called me once but hadn't been to the venue yet and reached out to AP with no response. I just tried calling him and got VM.

#19675 3 years ago

i got my popcorn and beer for this plus the trump debate tonight

#19676 3 years ago

Bill has been on Pinside since this happened but hasn't posted in this thread. Curious.

#19677 3 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Color me surprised that the big show unveiling today was a non-event. Of course nothing has changed with anything regarding any of this.

I don't understand why they would say they are going to show it in Vegas. They are based in Chicago. Save the time and miles and show things at Expo. Unless things are ready to go and surefire (this is pinball, nothing is this way) don't waste the time going to a market that isn't your prime market. Take it to Expo and go from there. Now their FB is saying "Who is in Vegas this week? So much for the 26th...

#19678 3 years ago
Quoted from desertT1:

I don't understand why they would say they are going to show it in Vegas.

Maybe because no one is likely to know the back-story in Vegas so better chance of getting new 'investors'?

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#19679 3 years ago

Here's some more gasoline for this wonderful dumpster fire.

The American Pinball site just looks bogus to me, so I did a simple Google search for some of the text on a page from their site...

http://american-pinball.com/capablities/supply-chain-support

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Found some very similar text on several other sites. Compare with the text I underlined in red.

http://www.noblesupply.com/what-we-do/combat-logistics-support/

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http://www.saic.com/services-solutions/logistics-supply-chain/

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So I tried another page...

http://american-pinball.com/capablities/design-and-development

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http://www.creote.com/web/game-design/

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What does this mean? Hell if I know. But why would any competent, legitimate company with the capitol to pull off an undertaking of this scale have a frumpy website that smells like a total hoax? I hope no one is getting their hopes up.

#19680 3 years ago

For how crazy all this is, I wouldn't be surprised if some Chinese company came in and bought/created a 'pinball company'. If legit (BIG IF), that could explain the money behind it, wanting immediate designs from a known designer, patent portfolio etc. Would also explain not having any clue about the bad blood between that designer and the community.

The G2E Exhibit hall opens tomorrow (9/27). G2E is a big deal for casino operators and its quite possible these pinball machines have something different to make them attractive to casinos etc (speculation on my part). If you look over the education part of the show, there are several references to the idea of 'skill' games being highly sought after and players wanting to be more engaged. Maybe that's their target market.

Now with that said and the way the marketing is going on Facebook, Pinside and their website I am leaning towards the whole thing being one bad joke...

#19681 3 years ago
Quoted from Mitch:

Is the old zidware warehouse still being used by jpop or has it been emptied out?

Old 39 Sangria? Its empty. That was emptied fall 2015.
AP at the 1448 Yorkshire address was pretty empty too, 4 weeks ago when I stopped by. There is where I talked to American Pinball president, DHAVAL VASANI. The business started Nov 2015 https://app.oneteam.net/Profile/american-pinball-inc-7HK98

These 2 designations are also listed there: key to getting special grants and loans
Minority Owned Business
Self Certified Small Disadvantaged Business

Quoted from vdojaq:

I am thinking the Aimtron building/location in Palatine.

My best guess is the photo of cabs and production of games will be done at the Palentine location, at Vasini's other company relationship, at Aimtron Electronics. And this is who I met the the AP Headquarters, https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhaval-vasani-ba5bb914. His dad, is founder and CEO of Aimtron https://www.linkedin.com/in/mukeshvasani?authType=name&authToken=AbTd&trk=prof-pub-cc-name

Clearly, Aimtron will get business for supplying electronics to American Pinball - and likely the source of capital for the son's AP venture.

So Houdini likely is a real project, there would be a manufacturer and mechanical engineering in the dad. There would be legal separation from AIMtron using the American Pinball, Inc. Taking on MG, seems more like they've spun it as an empathy right thing to make them whole - but there is no legal stuff we've seen or that depositors have posted here, that AP is officially taking on the legal obligation contracts to deliver.

Its all as odd as ever.

#19682 3 years ago

I thought I read in one of the posts that the unveiling was tonight in Vegas, and that it was not part of the main G2E conference. Did I misremember?

#19683 3 years ago

Is it really possible they new nothing about jpop stealing money for games he never made? And could they still know nothing about raza and aiwa... Would be beyond jpop to not tell them stuff. Crazy where this is at right now

#19684 3 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

Is it really possible they new nothing about jpop stealing money for games he never made? And could they still know nothing about raza and aiwa... Would be beyond jpop to not tell them stuff. Crazy where this is at right now

Nope, they told me first hand they were well aware of the situation.

#19685 3 years ago

Wow, hope there's a real reveal then or it's all just wishful thinking

#19686 3 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

Is it really possible they new nothing about jpop stealing money for games he never made? And could they still know nothing about raza and aiwa... Would be beyond jpop to not tell them stuff. Crazy where this is at right now

With the copy/paste statements, they are likely skilled at the google. If you don't do simple research on your associates, but do it to find corporatey (yes, corporatey) mission statements, your focus is in the wrong area.

#19687 3 years ago

They could also use the same website designer/builder.

#19688 3 years ago

Global gaming expo exhibit starts tomorrow for public, today are only for those in the trade. I imagine nobody is going to see anything utility tomorrow

#19689 3 years ago

G2E is a Casino Industry Event, Why would AP reveal a pinball machine there? This is definitely a circus.

#19690 3 years ago
Quoted from SilverballNut:

For how crazy all this is, I wouldn't be surprised if some Chinese company came in and bought/created a 'pinball company'.

Huh. That's an interesting thought...

Wouldn't shock me at this point

#19691 3 years ago

I persisted for an invoice summary from Jpop (as I keep careful records) and eventually got it- his accounts do exist, and as I have a hardcopy proving it, if he deleted his accounts then that's fraud right there.

What does Jpop want? That is what has led to this situation. He wants to clear his name presumably and get the legal cases dropped. If the litigants were asked- will you drop the case if you get a MG- what will be their answer? That's the bottomline.

I fully paid MG and part-paid RAZA. Regarding my legal action, if I had a MG delivered to my house then, after unboxing and checking it's a real working machine of higher quality than a Zizzle, I might re-consider, but anything prior to that is just talk, which means more potential Jpop lies.

And this is only being done to give AP an opportunity to take orders for Houdini, of course. I don't think they deserve that yet. After what has happened, promises made on the basis of more bloody pictures of empty cabinets mean NOTHING. We are 5 years and $1-2 million beyond offering scammers any good will. Enough already! We already see signs of a new cohort of Pinsiders considering giving money for a Houdini, in this thread. This has to stop. No more (alleged) fraud, please. This is incredibly damaging to the pinball community and the trust within it. Without trust everything grinds to a halt.

Just my tuppence halfpenny...

#19692 3 years ago
Quoted from SilverballNut:

For how crazy all this is, I wouldn't be surprised if some Chinese company came in and bought/created a 'pinball company'. If legit (BIG IF), that could explain the money behind it, wanting immediate designs from a known designer, patent portfolio etc. Would also explain not having any clue about the bad blood between that designer and the community.
The G2E Exhibit hall opens tomorrow (9/27). G2E is a big deal for casino operators and its quite possible these pinball machines have something different to make them attractive to casinos etc (speculation on my part). If you look over the education part of the show, there are several references to the idea of 'skill' games being highly sought after and players wanting to be more engaged. Maybe that's their target market.
Now with that said and the way the marketing is going on Facebook, Pinside and their website I am leaning towards the whole thing being one bad joke...

AimTron has a booth and supplies electronics to gaming slots. G2E they have a booth. So that's the dad's company.
His son having something in the booth from American Pinball that uses AImtron parts - would be the only connection I could see making a reveal at the G2E have any sense.

Way big stretch.

#19693 3 years ago

I don't see anyone here leaning toward even thinking about Houdini.

#19694 3 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

AimTron has a booth and supplies electronics to gaming slots. G2E they have a booth. So that's the dad's company.
His son having something in the booth from American Pinball that uses AImtron parts - would be the only connection I could see making a reveal at the G2E have any sense.
Way big stretch.

Yeah, guess I missed the dad and son link (to many threads, to little time). Showing a working game using boards designed and made by the dad's company would make some sense. Especially if it's just one of several products they are showing off. Also, would be cheap publicity for American Pinball I guess.

#19695 3 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Corny has always seemed a bit of a delicate flower. He'll probably be back.

Oh God I hope not.

But he'll be back. They ALWAYS come back.

#19696 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballSTAR:

Hilton, 1000 likes...
Folks, I lost $ 10,000. Skin in game.

$9K plus right here. Should we make a "tally" poster board to mount on the wall at Expo?!

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#19697 3 years ago

Interesting that Aimtron's website says, "Aimtron currently has direct ownership of a mirror manufacturing facility in Gujarat, India. SIR (Special Investment Region), as well as partnerships with PCB suppliers in Shenzhen, China. We understand the importance of global sourcing options and offer these services at our Client's request." If manufactured overseas, perhaps the BOM could be lowered enough to absorb the costs given the original high prices?

#19698 3 years ago
Quoted from Strohz:

Interesting that Aimtron's website says, "Aimtron currently has direct ownership of a mirror manufacturing facility in Gujarat, India. SIR (Special Investment Region), as well as partnerships with PCB suppliers in Shenzhen, China. We understand the importance of global sourcing options and offer these services at our Client's request." If manufactured overseas, perhaps the BOM could be lowered enough to absorb the costs given the original high prices?

I think their relationship/dependence on Aimtron is a given at this point. I asked about their manufacturing connections and was told they weren't willing to discuss that. I think the dots have already been connected.

#19699 3 years ago

Can someone please post or PM me a pic of what the playfields of MG, RAZA and AIW were supposed to look like? IF and its a big "IF" Houdini or a new incarnation of MG art is shown I would like to be able to compare everything.

#19700 3 years ago

The original post said "Evening" (Other Thread)
So It might have not been unveiled yet?

Hope this is true and all the buyers will be made whole....
Fingers crossed!!

American-Pinball™ to Launch its First Pinball Machine at the Global Gaming Expo in Las Vegas on September 26th
Chicago, IL – September 26, 2016 - American-Pinball, manufacturer of arcade games and amusements, is excited to announce the world-wide release of Houdini - Master Mystery™ pinball machine for the home, arcades, gaming centers and magic collectors. The unveiling will take place September 26th at the Venetian Las Vegas hotel on the eve of G2E, The Global Gaming Expo.

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