John Popadiuk update thread……MAGIC GIRL, RAZA, AIW…..

Wait a minute. Surely he can't be dense enough to think that everyone doesn't know that Steve Ritchie finished WCS, right? Never mind lol...

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That's what I said, his lawyers probably would rather not have all this on the record. It's going to cause greater harm.

Ok, i mean no disrespect to anyone but if the forum rules do not apply on this thread we might as well delete all rules. There is anger in this thread yes, understandable yes, but that does not mean anything goes right? Rules apply on all people on this forum. Sure i can drain this thread, but to me this stuff does not belong on pinside. On any other forum a moderator would have closed this thread, long ago. Two wrongs doesn't make it right.

People should be allowed to blow of steam, but this has nothing to do with that anymore. Your personal opinion as a moderator should not effect your professionality. Dealing with this stuff by forming an angry crowd and threathening people is not the way. People should talk to eachother in private that are in the same boat, why the hell is there a 18000 posts thread for? So 20 people can do a chat ? Why not use IRC?

I'm pretty sure most people on pinside feel te same about this, but they are afraid to get lynched here if the comment. So now people can lynch me...

EDIT: suggesting that on any other forum this thread would have been closed was stupid and dumb. Removing posts or banning people that are the heart and sole of this community is a wrong idea, sorry. Channeling anger in one thread is much better as having multiple threads. The community should have a voice especially since they are warning potential "new investors". The moderators are doing a good job, although I do not agree with some of the language that is allowed here. What I meant was that on many other forums a moderator could have apply the rules much stricter. But that is a free choice.

Not trying to "lynch" you but what's the problem exactly - which of the rules do you believe are going wrongly unenforced? Seems to me the moderators still shut down threats (and even innuendo) of violence in this thread, as they should. But if someone feels they've been lied to or defrauded by someone else in the pinball community, I sure hope they'll feel free to discuss that at Pinside without being shut down for a failure to be "nice" to the perpetrator.

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To me it's the whole vibe this whole thread has, it stands against everything i like about pinside. I mean make a private thread and invite people there to bash everyone and everything.

It's not about rule one, it's about almost any of the rules :

Rule number one: be nice!

This is not about being nice to the perpetrator, it's anyone not agreeing to the angrymob. I mean look at the reactions Nate got for his podcast. He had to make a second podcast to explain to the haters what he was doing. Not one moderator stepped in.

It's really simple, when you're on the Pinside, we expect you to be respectful to others.

Ah right.... same as above. Those rules do not apply when a moderator agrees to the lynching crowd.

Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree
You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:
Name-calling.

You wanna count the namecalling in this thread?

.Keep your contributions civil, tasteful and relevant (on the subject of pinball). The aim of Pinside.com: to provide the best place on the web for people who love pinball!

How are most of these posts tasteful or even relevant to the subject of this thread?

If we do not live by our own rules, why bother having them? the rules are made for situations like this, to keep things civilized.
It looks like a "If you're not with us, you're against us" thing. I am not with or against anyone, i just do not enjoy people "talking" to eachother this way. If i would like to see people shout to eachother like this i would open a gangster rap videoclip in youtube and read the comments.

For the first couple of years while this fiasco was unfolding many, many people tried being nice, reasonable, helpful, supportive and stood by johnny while he looked everyone (and I literally mean everyone) in the eye and lied to them. He stole their money and lied! Period!

I think the time for "nice" is long gone and a good public shaming is far more appropriate.

QSS

I suspect that has been more than achieved in this thread now - don't you?

It will be time to back off when JPop stops collecting money for games and stops trying to con people.

That's the thing, his delusions mean he is still trying to get money from people. He's complained about how everyone stopped sending money in. He would have accepted those checks if they showed up. He blames Pinside for ruining things. This thread is what opened everyone's eyes and stopped the madness.

He blames this thread for ruining investors getting involved.

Hell, Bill knew better than most what a clusterF was going on, but still got sucked into wasting tens of thousands of dollars trying to save something that could not be saved.

This thread reflects the reality of an F'd up situation. A situation that is still ONGOING.

This thread is vital in covering an exceptional situation, that is important to many people, and indeed pinball generally. IMO the 'rules' have therefore rightly been stretched for this thread.

I'm generally quite a sanguine chap, for example, but have said some robust things on this thread in more emotional moments. That's life. This thread is a rollercoaster!

This thread reflects all that is wrong with Pinside - a train wreck in every sense of the statement!

Robin, hang your head in shame for allowing this nonsense on your site.

Then drain the freakin thread man!

Haters? So now the people who have had nearly 1 million dollars stolen from them are haters because a lopsided version of the story was told on Nate's podcast and we were upset John wasn't challenged?

The mods leave this thread open because it's the right thing to do for the community and they know if they shut it down a new thread would be created. This thread also protects uninformed pinsiders from JPOP as it appears he is still trying to collect money for his vaporware. I am sorry this thread doesn't fit your idea of what Pinside should be, believe me all of us who got ripped off wish this thread was full of MG, RAZA & AIW unboxing pics!

I know you're pretty new here, but here's a few "pro tips"

1. You are not REQUIRED to click on any threads you don't want to.
2. If you *DO* accidentally click one you deem "nonsense" or "all thats wrong with inside" - click UNVISIT
3. If you are so offended at the mere sight of the thread in your list- try DRAIN
4. Lastly, you certainly are not REQUIRED to add/participate in the discussion - especially one you deem a "train wreck"

From your post, it sounds like you were not aware of these 4 items....

You're welcome.

Its starting to feel like some of the JPOP fan club (or John himself) have arrived in this thread to counter the truth about what has/is happening. Maybe he is trying to feel things out for a possible Expo visit?

The only person who should be hanging his head in shame is John Popadiuk for stealing hard earned money from the community that he supposedly loved. I will say this one more time... John is still actively trying to sell games that he has already admitted he has no way of building. Trying to silence people about this situation would be helping John steal more money!

Pinball_4_me if you don't like the thread by all means hit the drain button at the top right of your screen (don't let the door hit you on the way out)

Another new user who is intimately aware of everything Pinside. Hmmmm.

Haters? So now the people who have had nearly 1 million dollars stolen from them are haters because a lopsided version of the story was told on Nate's podcast and we were upset John wasn't challenged?

I can explain it over and over again, but yes. Being upset about someone like Nate did not "challenge" him is ridiculous, he's not the spanish inquisition or Jerry Springer. He's doing what he has always done, trying to make a civilized podcast for everyone that likes pinball.

The mods leave this thread open because it's the right thing to do for the community and they know if they shut it down a new thread would be created. This thread also protects uninformed pinsiders from JPOP as it appears he is still trying to collect money for his vaporware. I am sorry this thread doesn't fit your idea of what Pinside should be, believe me all of us who got ripped off wish this thread was full of MG, RAZA & AIW unboxing pics!

I think that all information gathered in this thread over the last year about this horrible story is very important. All new buyers should be aware. And i am convinced if we would delete 80% of this thread from the last 4 months no information would be lost. And that is my point, i am interrested in this thread and i want to know what will happen. I do not want to " drain" it. But this is not just a thread for people that are in rage.

See this is what i mean with the whole "your either with us or against us" attitude. Now it's starting to feel like a JPOP fanclub, and you are insinuating that John has something to do with me or pinball_4_me. C'mon man, who is trying to silence who?

Maybe you should ask the moderators our IP's.

Just wait till he is in deposition where if he refuses to answer he gets held in contempt of court and put in jail till he does answer...that's going to be interesting. I hope they do it as a video deposition so we can all watch the recording.

You did mean disrespect. Good bye from the thread. Feel free to PM if you want to discuss further or start a mod feedback thread.

I can't wait to see your proof that "in any other forum a moderator would have closed this thread". The science behind that must be truly extraordinary and I'm ready to see your in depth breakdown of how the internet works.

I think it is probably acceptable that one tenth of one percent of the threads on PINSIDE push the limits. There is a lot of emotion here, which is totally justified given the situation. This thread is probably very therapeutic to some and it also acts as a cautionary tale for others. I think the moderators do work to keep this thread from getting too, too far off the rails, but I think this is a case where a little more leeway is acceptable. If someone really turns nasty to other pinsiders, they certainly get booted. They have also been very active in killing off other related threads to keep it all here for those who want to participate in it. Also, as you said, you can always drain it.

I also think at times we have to recognize that moderators are also pinsiders, and on occasion they are going to take off that hat off and walk that fine line. I believe there is some forum for expressing issues with moderators (no clue, I have not had those kind of issues).

Feel free to leave that train wreck then.

I think this thread needs to be kept alive, as an active reminder to everyone. Closing it would be a mistake. And the Jpop mess is contained within one single thread (more or less) which is good.

Sorry to ask, but how are you to make such demand? Not exactly used to do some boot licking to the Mods but there are polite ways to disagree and this one is not acceptable.

His account - which was suspiciously formed a few months ago - is now frozen. He can discuss with Robin directly his logic in attacking Robin if he wants to be unfrozen.

That was done on the day the episode was aired via email. The legal team reviewed it shorty after.

I posted this 11 days ago, the day of the interview and caught flack for it.

I am convinced he wants and hopes pinball people continue to finance his life. I am not sure where else he has to turn to make a living.
At this point he could have a warehouse of old Williams/Bally memorabilia from his games and I am not sure he could sell it.

I have zero invested in any jpop game, but I will definitely hassle him if I see him at Expo.

What is with all these noob idiots jumping into this thread to play moderator?

JPOP fan bois..

Or plants.

Accidentally hit page 1 of this thread...

WOW - pretty eye-opening to review how this mess started and how it was exacerbated...

flip through a couple pages....

John was a "Genius"
"the next Steve Jobs"
"savvy"
"genuine"
"passionate"
"hard working"
"100% NOT a scammer"

Ouch, then later:

"Screwed up & late, but MG will ABSOLUTELY GET MADE"
"OK, Jpop is getting his shit together....NOW things will be OK"
"Only an idiot/fool would sue him"
"New Investors coming"
and on and on...

Believing in something from someone that was WELL KNOWN in the pinball world and that was presented in a way that it seemed like it was thought out does not make you stupid.

I don't think anyone thinks that those who lost money are stupid. Unfortunate? Yes, but I would never call you stupid.

Chris

Apparently there was "insider" knowledge that Jpop was a loon, but that was not known to the wider community until just this past year, and even just this past month with the C2C interview. So, I don't blame us pinheads who were excited to be in on something cool.

Exactly.

IF someone who is well versed in this thread / events over the last year sends $$$ in for JPOP's next game (rumored to be Cat Girl Bible Adventures Bowling with Borrowed Lebowski Inspired Elements) then that person might be stupid.

I don't think that person exists. Or at least the odds of that person existing seems pretty small in relation to the odds John is working on such a game, and will be actively trying to get pre-order money for it.

We are under a gag order from the lawyer.

Thank you, Chis, thats a nice thought from you but this thread is proof otherwise. Us being called stupid by Pinside is probably one of the nicer expressions over the past year or so. I think a recent favorite was from Pinsider, PinballHelp (New Orleans) who called me and others sycophants. His intent was insulting but his misuse of a word beyond his skill level was both embarrassing and amusing.

Well.... I don't think you're stupid. How's that?

Chris

*I* never called anyone stupid.... some were certainly more foolish than others....I was pointing out the irony of the cock-sure postings of SOME at the beginning of this debacle...

But since you opened up this line of conversation:

Besides the (eventual) agreement that John was stupid, the one person I recall calling others "stupid" was THIS guy (at the "insane" suggestion that people should band together and sue Jpop):

"dummies"....."utter stupidity." not too much irony there....

Yes. Ice was deadset against even the idea of litigation.... when it was someone else idea...

hmmm...

If you guys decide to do a podcast I would be happy to help. I mix the This Flippin Podcast podcast that I am a co-host of and a good friend of mine got burned on the Jpop project. Might need to wait until the NDAs run out for some vendors but I think the hobbyist/collector story is much more compelling than the failings of Jpop. Just LMK. I can be reached at richmondpinball@gmail.com

Python called him out on a podcast years ago. The guy had no story on how he'd complete the journey.. and had no experience running a company. There were plenty of warnings - just the excitement of getting into something special overtook most.

I was told it would be stupid not to get in on these pre-orders.

I'd wager there will be a lot of I don't recall responses, I'm not sure, maybe that did / didn't happen, etc, etc. Hell, he may even tell his twisted version of the truth since he loves the sound of his own voice. Regardless, it should be interesting whatever happens.

Yup.. sadly many people are STILL pre-ordering pinball, even in the face of an avalanche of evidence....

Oh well.

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Let's start a new thread comparing annual Federal income tax bills.....