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John Popadiuk update thread……MAGIC GIRL, RAZA, AIW…..


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#15501 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

"Popaduik, I served with Larry DeMar. I knew Larry DeMar. Larry DeMar was a friend of mine. Popaduik, you're no Larry DeMar."

The comparison was never to say the people are equivalent.. but discussing the JOB. There is a reason companies under Larry's guidance have been successful, while John was not One could fill the shoes, the other could not.

#15502 4 years ago

Man, even mentioning those two in the same sentence is offensive, even before this shit show. Larry is a goddamn legend.

I think Popaduik turning down that job is more evidence of him being totally insane - the number of people designing pinball in the world can be counted on ONE HAND and he turned it down. Clearly it shows he's an egomaniac at the very least.

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#15503 4 years ago
Quoted from woodworker:

The original delivery timeline for Magic Girl around two years or less. That money was taken for those games. My point was that he had to have known that he could not build the games after he paid himself that high a salary.

He CLEARLY knew...that's why he took money for game #2 and #3!

At that point he was either using those funds to complete MG, or just addicted to the cash flow. All I know is the second he announced a second game, I could NOT believe anyone was rushing to give him money when nothing regarding the first game had been shown....and then a 3rd!?!?! Balls. BALLS.

#15504 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

Likely John has racked up a fairly large Salary liability from Zidware since he says he hasn't been paid since Nov. 2014. The value of this he can claim half of as a business investment loss against his personal income, as of the date it was deemed doubtful. So personally he will not pay a lot of tax either, and depending on how much he claims Zidware owes him, he could get out of paying any tax at all.

Mind blown. Could he join with Zane Smith to sue Zidware for unpaid wages?

#15505 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

Man, even mentioning those two in the same sentence is offensive, even before this shit show. Larry is a goddamn legend.
I think Popaduik turning down that job is more evidence of him being totally insane - the number of people designing pinball in the world can be counted on ONE HAND and he turned it down. Clearly it shows he's an egomaniac at the very least.

Egomaniac, lacks self-awareness and lacks a sense of reality.

His view: Stern would be a BILLION TIMES PERCENT better if *I* was there showing them what's what.

Stern's view: He's a gaddamn fucking maniac, we'll probably have to fire him when he can't deliver a game on budget/on deadline....but he's worked in the industry before, let's give him a chance and see what happens.

#15506 4 years ago
Quoted from woodworker:

The original delivery timeline for Magic Girl around two years or less. That money was taken for those games. My point was that he had to have known that he could not build the games after he paid himself that high a salary.

Ah, ok - just from a "here's my schedule" point of view. Gotcha.

#15507 4 years ago
Quoted from woodworker:

$7500 a month salary
$2500 a month rent, expenses and utilities
x 2 years
_______________
$240,000
Magic Girl = $16,000
x 13 machines
_______________
$208,000
Really look at those numbers and let them sink in. There is being a bad businessman, and then there is fraud. NOBODY is this bad at math.

It's not unusual for a new company's first product to be a loss-leader, or proof of concept, so it's not necessarily bad math or fraud. I expected MG to be made at some loss to JPop himself if he did not draw a salary and worked in his garage, saving that $240k above. It was reasonable, $8k per machine for parts, and the rest for overhead, artwork, supplies, etc. Lots of people build one-off games in their garage, 13 isn't a crazy number. Once MG was out the door he could have then built a game on higher volume, start drawing salary etc. Seemed reasonable, no?

The whole thing became impossible when he quickly moved onto game #2 with a still small production volume and an even lower price point. Then it became laughable (only in hindsight) when he did it again with game #3. All of a sudden he puts himself on the hook for delivering 3 games by himself, which is the max number of new games Stern itself can put out in a year with, say, 15-20 people using cookie-cutter perfection. It becomes worse when you realize JPop's timelines are more like Steve Ritchie than Borg, who has only produced only 2 titles in 4 years at Stern. So we are then at well over 20 man years of effort to get these titles out.

Hindsight is 20/20, but the problems it started at game #2, not #1.

#15509 4 years ago
Quoted from jwilson:

"Popaduik, I served with Larry DeMar. I knew Larry DeMar. Larry DeMar was a friend of mine. Popaduik, you're no Larry DeMar."

Funny.

#15510 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Here was John's words again: As the “pinside” wave has helped to cause many of my customers to stop support, except for a few and actually has halted some other investors or big orders coming in for new game sales for open games. I feel pinside and a lot of the posters (many in an NDA – many behind fake names) are all liable in some form.

I wonder how much cash was taken in from "a few" people who still supported him?

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#15511 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Sure.. lets go back to the pitchfork crew dreaming they are going to raid the shop, grab the prototype like pirates and tear it into 200 equal shares, or that JPop is going to have the police kicking in his door so he should think about going into hiding, etc.
People may not like the facts - but they are still the facts. Best to face them and learn to adapt then to sit around in a big circle jerk and flame away at how we THINK the world should be.

Okay I think you have expressed your opinions on the matter very thoroughly. Lets not make this thread about one person and their views. Please give it a rest for a while and allow others to discuss.

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#15512 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Ugh. What a fucking asshole.
(I'll probably get thread ejected...but I think it's absolutely appropriate in this case.)

Thread eject? Not from me...I agree with you. Thumbs up.

I keep going back to he just everyone as a patron, not a customer or investor . . . just patrons and all the money in his eyes was his the moment he got it.

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#15513 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

People may not like the facts - but they are still the facts. Best to face them and learn to adapt then to sit around in a big circle jerk and flame away at how we THINK the world should be.

I think your point has been made as clearly as it is possible to make it. People will either agree or disagree, but it would probably be good to sit back for a day or so and come back tomorrow on this thread.

A lot of people got burned, they aren't happy, they won't thank you for what you have to say whether you are right or you are wrong.

#15514 4 years ago
Quoted from Erik:

Mind blown. Could he join with Zane Smith to sue Zidware for unpaid wages?

Worse than that! When the bankruptcy comes down, someone with unpaid wages are well in-front of any unsecured creditors (which the purchasers of MG, etc are)...

I've been an unsecured creditor previously in a bankruptcy and I learned more than I ever wanted to about the process. The good news is that not all the money was burned through and I recovered the money I was owed...

Jaz

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#15515 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

HERE IS MY OFFER TO ONE PINSIDER:
If you were burned by John, and you cannot afford to hire Zane Smith because the conditions in your life have changed, please send me an email with your purchase contract and proof of payments attached, and I will send $500 to Zane Smith on your behalf. You will be part of the lawsuit and will maximize your position to try to get something back.
If times have really gotten tough (because life happens and much can change in 4 years) and you don't want to go through Zane, send me all of your info, contracts, payments, etc... and I will send the $500 to you personally instead. It is your choice, but again, I can only do this for one person at this time.
Whoever I help, I will keep your information private. I will not share your information on this forum or anywhere else in my life. You have my word.
My contact info:
Jim Tracy
jim@ezlocal.com

I hate to quote myself, but it was the best way to provide this update:

I am proud to say that 2 people have provided proof of their purchase from Zidware and I have decided to help both of them. I will not say who they are, what they wanted, how they wanted it or even if they participate on Pinside. If they ever want to share any of that information, that will be up to them.

$1000 is honestly a small price to pay for the great things that pinball has brought me. Heck, $1000 is only 1/3rd of the profit I made when I sold my Tron LE. I have lost $1000 in a day at a casino. It will not change the quality of my retirement. I am really happy to have been able give back.

#15516 4 years ago

Admirable Backflipper...on both helping out a pinsider and how you started your company.

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#15517 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I hate to quote myself, but it was the best way to provide this update:
I am proud to say that 2 people have provided proof of their purchase from Zidware and I have decided to help both of them. I will not say who they are, what they wanted, how they wanted it or even if they participate on Pinside. If they ever want to share any of that information, that will be up to them.
$1000 is honestly a small price to pay for the great things that pinball has brought me. Heck, $1000 is only 1/3rd of the profit I made when I sold my TRON LE. I have lost $1000 in a day at a casino. It will not change the quality of my retirement. I am really happy to have been able give back.

I am humbled by this mans generosity. I have seldom seen this kind of selflessness in a hobby. This restores some of my faith. I can't thank you enough. I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up.

#15518 4 years ago

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#15519 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I hate to quote myself, but it was the best way to provide this update:

You fuckin' rock.

#15520 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I am really happy to have been able give back.

Respect. You have mine unconditionally.

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#15521 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I hate to quote myself, but it was the best way to provide this update:
I am proud to say that 2 people have provided proof of their purchase from Zidware and I have decided to help both of them. I will not say who they are, what they wanted, how they wanted it or even if they participate on Pinside. If they ever want to share any of that information, that will be up to them.
$1000 is honestly a small price to pay for the great things that pinball has brought me. Heck, $1000 is only 1/3rd of the profit I made when I sold my TRON LE. I have lost $1000 in a day at a casino. It will not change the quality of my retirement. I am really happy to have been able give back.

You sir, are a man that we all can learn from.

#15522 4 years ago
Quoted from mwong168:

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While sipping that Espresso Macchiato, I wonder if he was thinking of the Douglas MacArthur line: "Stolen food tastes better"?

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#15523 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I hate to quote myself, but it was the best way to provide this update:
I am proud to say that 2 people have provided proof of their purchase from Zidware and I have decided to help both of them. I will not say who they are, what they wanted, how they wanted it or even if they participate on Pinside. If they ever want to share any of that information, that will be up to them.
$1000 is honestly a small price to pay for the great things that pinball has brought me. Heck, $1000 is only 1/3rd of the profit I made when I sold my TRON LE. I have lost $1000 in a day at a casino. It will not change the quality of my retirement. I am really happy to have been able give back.

I'm sending payment tomorrow. I'm thinking the group may be over 20 and that should carry some weight. Jpoop and his wife are toast.

#15524 4 years ago
Quoted from mwong168:

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There, I fixed it for you
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#15525 4 years ago

Being a secretary for Zidware must be a hard job. Like, "accountant for Skit-B" hard.

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#15526 4 years ago
Quoted from s1500:

Being a secretary for Zidware must be a hard job

Well, you do have to sleep with the owner, so there's that

#15527 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I have decided to help both of them.

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#15528 4 years ago

Back in the pre-lawyer days you challenged a man to a duel for a chance at satisfaction.

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#15530 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

It's a business choice... which is why I hang that failure on their lack of business plan and sense.

I know some people believe that he's just bad at business. But in my opinion, I think it's much more nefarious.

John isn't as stupid as people make him out to be. He convinced a lot of people to give him a lot of money. He convinced a lot of highly skilled people to work for him for free (didn't Bill mention he paid his overdue rent too?). He convinced a lot of intelligent people to sign ludicrous NDAs to keep them silent. He convinced a lot of people to rush out and defend him any time someone asked a reasonable question on the project. And finally, he paid himself a hefty salary while producing little in return. The fact is that everyone got screwed on this project but him. He's the guy who made a lot of money over the last few years. While I don't believe this was some long con, I do think he's a lot more Keyser Soze than Verbal Kint.

My belief changed when the game was put out at the show. There is no way a man with his experience in the pinball industry could put in 40 hour weeks for 4 years with a large cash reserve and produce so little. We have hobbyists on this board who have built fully functioning games in their basement on weekends in far less time. That's not bad business, it's lack of effort.

He paid himself a lot of money to rent out some space, buy some cool toys, and play arts and crafts for 4 years. Tough to claim he lacks business sense when he's the guy who holds the bag of money at the end.

#15531 4 years ago

looks like he has scrubbed his pinside account

screen shot of a few days ago
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screen shot today
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hopefully not being aided to fly under the radar under a different name or he is on the run

#15532 4 years ago
Quoted from swinks:

looks like he has scrubbed his pinside account

How could he changed the "last seen here" to September 2014 !??

#15533 4 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

How could he changed the "last seen here" to September 2014 !??

I think it's a bug on the popup window that comes up when you click someone's avatar. They all say today's date.

#15534 4 years ago
Quoted from swinks:

looks like he has scrubbed his pinside account

Zidware today

#15535 4 years ago
Quoted from pinball_keefer:

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Nice, I wax just pointing out the Monument to Joe Louis to my son a few days ago.

Detroit what!

#15536 4 years ago


Quoted from swinks:looks like he has scrubbed his pinside account
screen shot of a few days ago
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screen shot today
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hopefully not being aided to fly under the radar under a different name or he is on the run

What is the point in Jpop removing whatever he can from the net? He does realize everything he ever posted anywhere is easily gotten regardless of his efforts right? It just makes him look like Skit-C.

#15537 4 years ago
Quoted from sturner:

I know some people believe that he's just bad at business. But in my opinion, I think it's much more nefarious.
John isn't as stupid as people make him out to be. He convinced a lot of people to give him a lot of money. He convinced a lot of highly skilled people to work for him for free (didn't Bill mention he paid his overdue rent too?). He convinced a lot of intelligent people to sign ludicrous NDAs to keep them silent. He convinced a lot of people to rush out and defend him any time someone asked a reasonable question on the project. And finally, he paid himself a hefty salary while producing little in return. The fact is that everyone got screwed on this project but him. He's the guy who made a lot of money over the last few years. While I don't believe this was some long con, I do think he's a lot more Keyser Soze than Verbal Kint.
My belief changed when the game was put out at the show. There is no way a man with his experience in the pinball industry could put in 40 hour weeks for 4 years with a large cash reserve and produce so little. We have hobbyists on this board who have built fully functioning games in their basement on weekends in far less time. That's not bad business, it's lack of effort.
He paid himself a lot of money to rent out some space, buy some cool toys, and play arts and crafts for 4 years. Tough to claim he lacks business sense when he's the guy who holds the bag of money at the end.

Agreed. Many are using the "he is just a bad businessman" phrase, but it doesn't wash. Bad at business means that your company's margins are not as high as your competitors, forcing you to have a smaller market, or failing to cash flow properly. He has requests from many to help in the production schedule and/or to assist in a business manager role. He refused or they didn't last long.

#15538 4 years ago

I dunno.. I think he really is just that dumb. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity as they say.

#15539 4 years ago
Quoted from BackFlipper:

I am really happy to have been able give back.

Ever in Jersey, steak dinner, drinks and cigars are on me!

#15540 4 years ago
Quoted from sd_tom:

I dunno.. I think he really is just that dumb. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity as they say.

JPOP is using the "I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and confuses me" defense.... Im sorry but his whole "I'm just a bad buisness man who is trying to move pinball forward" is bullshit! Go back and look at all the evidence, John was very premeditated.. He is a liar and a fraud!
https://screen.yahoo.com/unfrozen-cave-man-lawyer-2-223434949.html

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#15541 4 years ago
Quoted from sd_tom:

I dunno.. I think he really is just that dumb. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity as they say.

I prefer the fuller quote:

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice. "

#15542 4 years ago

I stick with my original assessment from a few months back: John gambled that someone would buy him out - and he lost.

This isn't criminal - plenty of companies start with the intention of acquiring capital to fully achieve their goals. But those companies also have products to show - John just had art.

Ironically, all the chances to sell out seems to have come in the last six months (deepRoot, JJP, Pintasia) at which point the projects were so far behind nobody wanted to take a chance.

Maybe he should have thrown his hands up in despair back in 2013, at which point the progress of the games wouldn't have been so laughable.

#15543 4 years ago
Quoted from sd_tom:

I dunno.. I think he really is just that dumb. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity as they say.

...but don't rule out the possibility of malice.

Edit: Lowepro beat me

#15544 4 years ago
Quoted from PEN:

What is the point in Jpop removing whatever he can from the net? He does realize everything he ever posted anywhere is easily gotten regardless of his efforts right? It just makes him look like Skit-C.

Running away makes him look really guilty. And a coward. I bet he's burned out two shredders by now.

"We'll not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite!"

#15545 4 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

I'm sending payment tomorrow. I'm thinking the group may be over 20 and that should carry some weight. Jpoop and his wife are toast.

Looking good

The next hearing to add new plaintiffs to the complaint is 18th...

#15546 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

I stick with my original assessment from a few months back: John gambled that someone would buy him out - and he lost.
This isn't criminal - plenty of companies start with the intention of acquiring capital to fully achieve their goals. But those companies also have products to show - John just had art.
Ironically, all the chances to sell out seems to have come in the last six months (deepRoot, JJP, Pintasia) at which point the projects were so far behind nobody wanted to take a chance.
Maybe he should have thrown his hands up in despair back in 2013, at which point the progress of the games wouldn't have been so laughable.

I certainly lean your way in the "not criminal" position. I do think he was intentionally dishonest and is definitely weak on the morality front, but not to the level of criminality. Based some on what others have shared with me, I think there is a serious possibility that he will be financially liable. To me, that will be very fitting... karma can be a real bitch...

Jaz

#15547 4 years ago

Anyone who can't see the greatness of John Popadiuk has only lost , or perhaps never got issued , their special pinball whisperer earbuds. When these babies Are used, well, let me tell ya , you simply can't hear reason.

I'm just happy to have had the opportunity to ride in the boat. $6,500 for part way there.

#15548 4 years ago

Taking a step back now that the NW show has come and gone, did anyone think that pin was anything special? I Mean if we're on a scale from 1-10 and at the 9 (very good) end we'd say MMR, TAF, maybe AcDc premium. Did the game at the NW show (I know it was beta) but did it look to be above a 6-7? I mean it's trying to justify $16k which today can buy you a brand new car. So did anyone see a pin worth combined price of MMR and Met LE?

To me it looked so-so at best, and horrible at worst.

So I'm trying to figure what took John so long to come up with just a so-so pin, I mean if he had shown that after 4 months ok, but 4 years I'd expect somethig to really wow me. The extra long gestation kind of built up in my mind somethig that would be otherworldly like an alien artifact.

#15549 4 years ago
Quoted from rai:

Taking a step back now that the NW show has come and gone, did anyone think that pin was anything special? I Mean if we're on a scale from 1-10 and at the 9 (very good) end we'd say MMR, TAF, maybe AcDc premium. Did the game at the NW show (I know it was beta) but did it look to be above a 6-7? I mean it's trying to justify $16k which today can buy you a brand new car. So did anyone see a pin worth combined price of MMR and Met LE?
To me it looked so-so at best, and horrible at worst.
So I'm trying to figure what took John so long to come up with just a so-so pin, I mean if he had shown that after 4 months ok, but 4 years I'd expect somethig to really wow me. The extra long gestation kind of built up in my mind somethig that would be otherworldly like an alien artifact.

Lots of magnets. Well, if they had been installed, and the toy that used them built.

There are lots of small, cool innovations, like how the LED lighting works with the plastics, and all the custom bits and bobs. Lots of tinkering, and much of it unnecessary when off the shelf alternatives existed. But to be so incomplete after 4 years is remarkable e.g. no ramps (until they were produced last minute as an emergency).

In one of the videos John said he was working 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. Well, he just lied a lot, didn't he?

To pay himself that $90k p.a. salary says it all (plus all the business expenses/deductions). Not a real, viable business. Just a well paid vanity arts and craft project at best, and ponzi scheme at worst. With the pre-order money cashflow giving him the illusion of success. With this ponzi approach, even if MG had worked, the plan would have been blown by RAZA. It was doomed to failure. He seemed to have been after a big score, like the KISS licence, or investor buyout, or rich patron fan. And it failed, as has been said. Now, with the running away from the Internet and silence, he seems unable to face the issues he created, and so has to be dragged kicking and screaming to court. Very sad, but at this point I can't feel sympathy for him, although I don't wish him ill. I just want a fair outcome, a modicum of justice, and a sense of closure.

And I honestly had thought all the artwork was his until late in the day!

#15550 4 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

I stick with my original assessment from a few months back: John gambled that someone would buy him out - and he lost.

So are you saying that he purposely slowed the production of MG and RAZA to increase the liklihood that he would get bought out before he actually had to reveal the games to the buyers? This theory would make sense, since there is no other way I can fathom how he managed to accomplish so little in four years.

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