It means 100% confirmed that more than the original 19 are made. It also means good luck to anyone that thinks more are not coming.

the guy has managed to convince enough people already that I am sure he will find another sucker. Now his resume looks even better to the non-researched company.

First Pintasia and then AP. They are proof that even smart and legit can get duped by him.

I also think that is is an obvious and easy way for him to make up some funds with very little effort. There is likely little anyone could do to stop him and when those with current games are selling? for 2x original cost, it is just too easy.

On top of all this the number has forever gone up. 13 at start, then 16, then 19, now 21 with some speculation of 25. All evidence points to that number growing further over time and someone else jumping on the Jpop train.

It is just too lucrative to not. heck I would not be surprised if some business type pinhead has already reached out to jpop to work on it.

Just to be clear on this. Pintasia was brought in to negotiate the building of these 25 MGs (plus 3 prototypes), I presume?

If that is the case and knowing Bill is a buisnessman, I see no reason to add futher to my guess that more MG will trickle out the door.
Seems easy for Bill to sell the few he got if he wants, then make a deal with Jpop that he can build 5 more and he gets 1 of them as part of the license deal. Rinse and repeat? At the current selling market it seems Jpop could easily build 5 more and bring in a quick 100k. He can label them prototype X, or if he is even smarter he will add some feature back in and call them post-production #_
Then they will become even more desiable than the original 19(or 21 or 25).

to clarify, my contribution was a suggestion to others that are owed games or payment (RAZA, AiW, Vendors) to work now to force bankruptcy. I said the courts should be the ones to sort this out. I have been asked not to comment any further on this so I wont.

Again my contribution to this thread is just to point out the facts and discuss possible outcomes (we are on a pinball forum afterall and talking pinball). Jpop got over 100 people to give him money first (over multiple years on multiple games), then convinced Pintasia to bail him out but a failed attempt at teh NW showing, and finally AP to get MG made. If he can work his magic on these people then what stops him from finding another? At the same time he now has plenty of additional info to show any investor that he is capable of making a game that will sell for over 30k on the secondary market. Reality is that Jpop appears to be in a difficult situation currently, has made comment that he was willing to put out these half baked MGs just to stave off ongoing legal matters. From these simple facts it seems the easiest path to least resistance for Jpop to try and generate revenue would be to make more MGs. If I were in his shoes I would be hunting out an investor, making a deal with Pintasia to get back my license (assuming this is even the case), and slowly churning out MGs piecemill to make more money. Keep in mind the other fact is that the # made/being made has continued to grow over the years and it seems nobody has a real clue on how many truly exist at this time or will in the future. Only time will tell. Heck, none of us could have predicted this 6 year adventure and I think we will all see some more twists and turns as it continuees to unfold.

Fot those owners of MG, I am happy for you. You went though hell and more in this wait, along with likely thinking it was all gone multiple times. I am happy for you! genuinely happy that you got something!

Please dont misinterpret my thoughts that others owed should be looking at legal proceedings/action or my guess that more MGs will still be coming (either with help or without help to jpop) as something against MG owners. As I have said, a few MG owners are good friends. However, I also have a few good friends that are owed Raza and AiW or money for helping MG along the way, and I want to see ALL of them made whole and done so fairly for all where you all come out on top, and not just a few people that got lucky at the right time and ultimately due to more of Jpops blundering antics.

Lets be honest, wouldn't the best thing for ALL hobbyists in this mess be for Jpop to figure out a way to make MGs that actually work, RaZa out the door, and AiW pre-order whole? I think the best possible way for that to happen is for Jpop to leverage the seconday flip of MG and generate the revenue. Think about it this way, if Jpop had opted to make 40 MG and they each sold for 33k, that would have been $1,320,000. That would have been enough to refund nearly 100% of all MG, RAZA, and AiW customers plus pay the vendors.

as a reminder for everyone >> here is what a 33k MG looks like.

Machine - For Sale

Magic Girl Archived

NIB - New in box (distributor/business) - “Magic girl for sale ... game number 12 new in box magic girl. Buyer handles pick up of game.”

2017-03-01

Milton, MA

lllvjr

33,000 (OBO)

Archived after: 11 days

Viewed: 7836 times

Status: Not sold

i.e. we can all understand your concern that legal actions may happen or that other MGs could be made.

I have not made up anything, nor do I have any agenda...

What would my agenda possibly be? To make sure all people Jpop screwed over get the best end of the stick? I guess if that is my agenda, then yup I am transparent and obvious. That is not really an agenda, just being good people to each other.

I understand that the things I say may worry or make some of the people mad that have MGs and are trying to flip them or thinking "what ifs", but those are their choices to deal with.

sounds accurate except for this. Houdini at Expo had bolts all over it. I remember the support rails and hinges having bolts laser cut into them.

If you guys want to discuss, then lets discuss. If you are just around to make attacks, then you are not worth the time or effort.

I see no valued added content from either of you on this. What would you do if you were in Jpops shoes and trying to dig out? What would you do if you were owed money from Jpop and think he is out of cash but see MG attempted sales for 2x cost?

Do you have anything to actually discuss on a pinball discussion forum?

define the problem is easy... Jpop

Understand that problem... good luck...

I too got the similar and cryptic pm. I assume troll bait given the lack of professionalism and ignored.

I plan to bid it up with a dup ebay account just for the fun of it

Relax people. It was a joke. I am sure there will be LOTS of schill bidding but i won't be one of them.

should have been done long ago! Likely still time if people act fast. May be able to recover some preferential disbursement of assets?

what does it take to get these posted? Are they in the public domain somewhere?

Ill chip in if anyone wants to order and upload.

I was told one recently changed hands privately for 16k.

I know a guy when you are in Madison next time...

more deets please

Congrats and GREAT work! Accolades to all involved that put in the work to make this happen!

Nice you got to him before he filed bankruptcy (assuming that is a likely outcome?)

Have fun going after him for the money! Hope he pays up for every damn cent. Good thing he has a job with Deeppockets DeepRoot. Should be making enough to have plenty extra to pay on his judgments.

Short version, the background or foundation code of his game appears to have been directly taken from Ben Heck when he originally allowed AMH to be open source. Crazy part is Ben only asked for the ackowledgement, and he was not willing to do it. I am sure others can add more detail that is public already.