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#12001 4 years ago
Quoted from The_Crow:

Unbelievable... I am completely paid for raza and preorder AIW and have nothing to show and while I should be more angry at JPOP, i find myself more frustrated by the pinside quaterbacks. I think the goal of the trolls is to frustrate Bill/pintasia so that everything is lost once again. It feels like cancer in here and maybe a good time for me to get some distance from this thread. Sure doesn't seem like a community interested in furthering pinball.

Sure there are a few here on Pinside that get off on the drama of the pinball train crashes, but that is not the true problem in the hobby or with Pinside.
The true cancer is the pre-pay business model.

#12002 4 years ago

At the end of the day this is just an attempt to see if I could pull something together for all the customers and vendors that lost there money and have zero to show for it. I see now it will virtually be impossible and perhaps I should just instead sit back and wait till some one else bucks up and then decide to buy out of the destruction

#12003 4 years ago
Quoted from wcbrandes:

Now the show ok you have me there that was embarrassing however it was a business decision and a good one at that. Besides the girl I had to work with was not bad in any way what so ever

Literally no one is asking about the show.

We know your time is scarce -- 18 hour days! That's even more than John's 7/14! -- so why not focus on the questions that are actually important?

#12004 4 years ago

Damn centreflank your timing is impeccable have to give you that

#12005 4 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

The true cancer is the pre-pay business model.

Agreed, but in this case these folks are already knee deep in it.

#12006 4 years ago

my god gcp are you a customer?

#12007 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

It is most concerning that in finding out your Finance & Operations manager has a 15 year history of illegal financial activities you are pretty much OK with that and willing to continue with business as usual. That's not how I would take this info. And you seem to not have even gone into the information and checked it out for yourself? Like... shouldn't you be interested in that sort of thing? As a millionaire business man I might find that a bit more interesting than "well, i'm not involved in any ponzi whatsits so whatever, no big deal."

That tinfoil hat website with no known author and lack of legitimate news source isn't exactly Woodward and Berstein level authority.

#12009 4 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

The true cancer is the pre-pay business model.

I think Ben Heck posted earlier in this thread about how they developed everything on their own dime and were frugal with the $ while working their asses off, presented a pretty finished product and took jack squat for for pre-order money.

Anyone that asks otherwise should raise a major red flag for anyone.<----Read that again

Im soooooooo happy I dropped my Hobbit order last fall, Im sure JJP will get that out to all the payers but damn if I wouldn't be majorly pissed at this point that zero games other than proto's for vendor booths haven't been fabricated yet.

#12010 4 years ago

wcbrandes I am not a Zidware customer. Based on recent events I am unlikely to become a Pintasia customer in the future.

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#12011 4 years ago

Bottom line is since Bill showed up we got an honest assessment from Jpop, pics of the white wood and a game heading to the show.
Maybe folks not involved should asses that.

#12012 4 years ago
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#12013 4 years ago

One hater makes a lot of volume. Good luck wcbrandes.

#12014 4 years ago

Its f%^king CENTER!!!!! Damn you Canadians! LOL! Love you WC!

Any pics of your wife in a Hasselback jersey would be a good substitute.

#12015 4 years ago
Quoted from wcbrandes:

At the end of the day this is just an attempt to see if I could pull something together for all the customers and vendors that lost there money and have zero to show for it. I see now it will virtually be impossible and perhaps I should just instead sit back and wait till some one else bucks up and then decide to buy out of the destruction

If you could ever pull this off it would because of a sound business model, substantial funds and access to a major manufacturer. What you are in a position to do right now is make a pitch for pre-order dollars, and you have hired a ponzi scheme specialist for a CFO and you don't even worry about that. If people on pinside are supposed to support this project, give us something to have some confidence over.

And don't give me the Kevin Kulek line "this project was going to be great, but the nay sayers ruined it for everybody!" You don't have the answers to back up what people see going on here. Come up with the answers. I am only asking the questions because they need to be asked, I have no desire to ruin a good project. Only a bad one.

#12016 4 years ago

yes good gcp always your choice as is everything else. At the end of the day i have met and have a ton of friends on here that have done nothing but enrich my life and I have many of you to thank for spraying my screen now again with coffee. I do not want to loose this and I have no problem stepping back and getting the spoils of the ruins or making sure someone steps up and gets us all as much money back as humanly possible. I know Ive seen this before however its never pretty

#12017 4 years ago

no pre order dollars

#12018 4 years ago

ok had enough for tonight and thanks CENTERflank ....maybe we can do some trading card business

#12019 4 years ago

Seriously though, be honest, how long have you been holding onto that pic before you got the payoff?

#12020 4 years ago
Quoted from wcbrandes:

ok had enough for tonight and thanks CENTERflank ....maybe we can do some trading card business

I just had these made up for my business....I realize she isn't a painter but my clients really like it.

#12021 4 years ago
Quoted from gcp:

wcbrandes I am not a Zidware customer. Based on recent events I am unlikely to become a Pintasia customer in the future.

#12022 4 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

That tinfoil hat website with no known author and lack of legitimate news source isn't exactly Woodward and Berstein level authority.

After Predator I don't think you can begrudge people for at least TRYING to do some "due diligence".

Nobody ever did in Predator and we know what happened with that.

Even Bill who hired her doesn't seem to know who her last few employers were.

The question of her involvement may or may not be important but at least now some are
trying to protect themselves.

I'm sure Bill would understand this and even encourage due diligence after all the money people have apparently lost.

#12023 4 years ago

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#12024 4 years ago
Quoted from pinsnob:

Gotta go with Ben on this one.
This is my favorite part.
» YouTube video

In that case, you should be looking for F. Murray Abraham to take the reins on the role.

#12025 4 years ago

I'm sorry to have bored you, Concretehardt, but he asked me a direct question so I gave him a direct answer. It didn't seem right for me to challenge him to be more direct and transparent, without affording him the same courtesy.

#12026 4 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

That tinfoil hat website with no known author and lack of legitimate news source isn't exactly Woodward and Berstein level authority.

And someone who can copy/paste.. but not a URL? frustrating...

#12027 4 years ago

Yup.

Here is Murray is winning the Oscar. Tom is still the man for the (acting) job.

Quoted from jarjarisgod:

In that case, you should be looking for F. Murray Abraham to take the reins on the role.

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#12028 4 years ago
Quoted from Manic:

After Predator I don't think you can begrudge people for at least TRYING to do some "due diligence".

By people do you mean non customers who have no money on the line? If some of you are trying to run Bill off your doing a great job of it! Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.

Just to recap... the money is already lost, JPOP pissed it down the drain! Without Bill its game over (no pun intended)

#12029 4 years ago

Yup. I think there would be a lot more interest from manufacturers and others if Bill can get a MG prototype built and take it to a show. Don't think he has asked for money to do that.

Quoted from Concretehardt:

By people do you mean non customers who have no money on the line? If some of you are trying to run Bill off your doing a great job of it! Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.
Just to recap... the money is already lost, JPOP pissed it down the drain! Without Bill its game over (no pun intended)

#12030 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

And someone who can copy/paste.. but not a URL? frustrating...

Google Sabrina Wei ponzi. She is all over the internet, you can access the SEC filings against the companies mentioned in that pastebin.

Here is an example, where you can see she was on the board of directors of IHI operating an illegal pyramid scheme.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix030/769346/0001010412-98-000059.txt

And etc. if you want to keep digging the information is there to be found if you follow the pastebin info.

#12032 4 years ago

I've just been de-friended by jpop on Facebook. Looks like he shut down his page.

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#12033 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.

I'm going to stop posting for the night; no need to get deeper into a back-and-forth here. I just want to clarify my position, since there seems to be some confusion.

I agree with you that Bill's plan might result in pins getting built. I'm not disputing that - in fact I say as much in post #11937.

What I am questioning is whether this is being done a) legally, and b) ethically. The same mechanics could have been used in a proper bankruptcy proceeding, and I would not be nearly as wary of what is going on. A similar approach could have been taken where Pintasia could have signed on as a volunteer *supplier* to Zidware; that would have been another way to contribute to the project "for the love of pinball" without (further) screwing any Zidware suppliers. Neither of these paths were the ones chosen; I'm sure that's because the path taken was a much better business deal for Pintasia.

All I'm asking is, is what they are doing a) legal, and b) ethical? If the answer to either question is no, I don't want to be a customer. That's really all there is to it.

I think the questions I've been asking have been fair and direct. I'm not sure why some people are objecting to my participation in the thread. At any rate, I'm happy to bow out, since I think I have everything I need to know at this point.

Best of luck to everyone else!

#12034 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

By people do you mean non customers who have no money on the line? If some of you are trying to run Bill off your doing a great job of it! Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.
Just to recap... the money is already lost, JPOP pissed it down the drain! Without Bill its game over (no pun intended)

I understand your situation. But I don't see people attacking him personally... he seems known as a good guy. If a question about a business associate "runs him off" then... well I don't know what to say. After Predator people are worried and if clear answers aren't offered some people will keep asking. It's inevitable.

I'm happy to see him take a stab at it and I hope he'll take the questions in stride and answer what he can.

Showing off the thing at a show may be fun but if there is no money to build any more of them I'm not sure what the point is. Either people that have already paid will be asked to pay more or there is hope to find new customers to find some funding. In either case, after JP's performance... people will expect questions to be answered to feel secure in sending cash.

JP's behavior during all this may have poisoned the well to the point that even the Pope stepping in would be viewed with suspicion. Sad it's come to this.

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#12035 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

By people do you mean non customers who have no money on the line? If some of you are trying to run Bill off your doing a great job of it! Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.
Just to recap... the money is already lost, JPOP pissed it down the drain! Without Bill its game over (no pun intended)

Concrete, your money is lost I agree. What people are trying to protect you from is a great prototype coming out, then Bill and his associate then saying "Ok, we will give you all partial credit for your current deposits, plus we will need an additional $6,000 to take this to production." Then disappearing the money like JPop did. Read the original letter sent by JPop, there was a huge amount of money involved in that first plan. The information available on Sabrina is that she has ways of completely disappearing money to Hong Kong, where you cannot get it back. Please read up on this rather than being blindly supportive. If AFTER you have done your due diligence you still want to give these people money, I can't save you and neither can anybody else.

#12036 4 years ago
Quoted from pinsnob:

Yup. I think there would be a lot more interest from manufacturers and others if Bill can get a MG prototype built and take it to a show. Don't think he has asked for money to do that.

This would be great but do you expect them to build a bunch of machines essentially for almost nothing to satisfy the people that have already given their money to JP? And then hope to make enough money from new sales of the machine to not just offset this cost... but then to even make a profit?

I wonder if they even have to honor the customers here if they buy rights to making the machine?

I would hope so but who knows? But personally I wish Bill and all you guys the best. Should be an exciting show... to say the least

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#12037 4 years ago

Guys my own stupidity got me into this mess with JPOP, I believed in him and he lied to me. I know we all try to watch out for each other and I appriciate that! Let's see how this plays out with Bill, I will be heading to the Nwest show next week to see & play MG... I hope to see some of you there.

#12038 4 years ago

I see Zidware going into bankruptcy. You can't get 5 people in your office to agree to go to the same place for lunch much less 200+ people not to try to get their money back through the courts.

Someone will come along and buy the assets of Zidware. If there is a working prototype there is a much bigger chance the game will be made. I don't know who will get the assets of Zidware, but Bill is the only one who is saying he is trying to get the original customers/suppliers some of their equity back. The only other thing to do would be for the customers/suppliers to get together, form a corp and try to buy the assets to make whatever games they could or sell whatever assets at a higher price than you paid to cover losses.

Your money is gone. There are no pins.

Quoted from gcp:

I'm going to stop posting for the night, no need to get deeper into a back-and-forth here, but I just want to clarify my position, since there seems to be some confusion.
I agree with you, that Bill's plan might result in pins getting built. I'm not disputing that - in fact I say as much in post #11937.
What I am questioning is whether this is being done a) legally, and b) ethically. The same mechanics could have been used in a proper bankruptcy proceeding, and I would not be nearly as skeptical of what is going on. A similar approach could have been taken, where Pintasia could have signed on as a volunteer *supplier* to Zidware; that would have been another way to contribute to the project "for the love of pinball" without (further) screwing any Zidware suppliers. Neither of these paths were the ones chosen; I'm sure that's because the path taken was a much better business deal for Pintasia.
All I'm asking is, is what they are doing a) legal, and b) ethical? If the answer to either question is no, I don't want to be a customer. That's really all there is to it.
I think the questions I've been asking have been fair and direct. I'm not sure why some people are objecting to my participation in the thread, but I'm happy to bow out, as I think the lack of answers have told me everything I need to know at this point.
Best of luck to everyone else!

#12040 4 years ago

Best of luck Bill! I don't personally think you're out to screw anyone over, I just don't understand how this project could possibly work in a strictly financial sense. Of course, that might be why I'm not a Millionaire Businessman and you are?!

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#12041 4 years ago
Quoted from PINTASIA:

Thank you for that...It is apparent to us that there are people on Pinside who do not want Pintasia to succeed. We understand, there are people in every crowd who find comfort in seeing people fail, as they can't be happy with the success of others due to their own situation. These people wish to see that purchasers of Zidware products lose all their money.
Pintasia is owned 100% by William Brandes, also known as Bill Brandes aka wcbrandes on Pinside. Bill is also a fellow Zidware product purchaser. He has done nothing but put out his own cash, time and effort to help all Zidware purchasers and has accomplished the following

In such a short period of time, he has accomplished so much on behalf of Zidware product purchasers. Yes, there are the people who have stepped up to help and been supportive of the cause. However, there are a large number of people who spend all their time trying to criticize and find fault. Honestly I don't know how you can try to find fault with a person who has not asked for any money, has generously contributed their time, money, effort, personal contacts (asked for favors) in order to help the pinball community.
Bill asked Sabrina to assist him in various aspects of due diligence on Zidware and for operations of Pintasia. As part of that effort, she assisted in the incorporation of the company. That does not mean she owns the company. For those who do not understand who the owners of a corporation are and need a lesson in this...the owners are the shareholders. And Bill is 100% shareholder of Pintasia Design Inc.
The problem with google is that you will find a lot of information, some which is true and some which is false or simply has nothing to do with the topic at hand. How many people have the same name? Has someone really tried to understand who these people are behind Pintasia, or is everyone on a race to try to put up nasty posts and create drama. There are a number of people all with the name Sabrina Wei, and unfortunately some of those people have had a checkered past. You may want to blame Sabrina's parents for giving her the name, however, there are lots of other names that are significantly worse. So before throwing @*!@ against the wall and slinging mud, watch the real actions of the people you are doing that with. Sabrina has several professional designations, is well respected in the business community. She is a very hard working individual who has also contributed her own time and money to help Zidware customers. Anyone who has met her will tell you that she is a very kind hearted person who is genuine and wants to help others. She has taken on the mission to assist Bill and those who have been hurt in the Zidware situation. We invite those on Pinside who have actually met Sabrina in person to tell you what they think of her instead of reading stuff that has been conjured up to hurt Pintasia and Bill's reputation.
So for those people who are the naysayers and can't stand the fact that someone has truly stepped up out of the goodness of their heart to help the pinball community and want to just try to dig up stuff to hurt Bill and Pintasia...stop, just stop. You don't realize how many people have called us as fellow pinheads to say, are you out of your mind to try to take on this project and these responsibilities?!?
Maybe, just maybe they are right. If the pinball community can't appreciate a good samaritan and would rather see Zidware crash and burn with all their customers receiving zero in bankruptcy, maybe that is what should happen, then everyone can look back and understand what Bill was actually trying to save them from. And yes, should Bill and Pintasia drop this, everyone can count on John Popadiuk to control and make the games from that point forward! Right now, Bill is calling the shots and John has been removed from the scene. Take your pick...
Bottom line is this, the only reason Zidware customers are trying to sue or put Zidware in bankruptcy is because they think there is money to be had. Maybe sometimes people just need to find out the hard way...and no, this is not Bill writing this post. It is someone at Pintasia who has seen the hard work that Bill and Sabrina has put into this project and feels that they don't deserve this type of treatment by ignorant people posting on Pinside.

WOW

I could write a lot about how this whole situation stinks, but I think it can be summed up with this:

This new White Knight company is asking you to make an agreement not to sue for what you are owed, and then trying to spin that as it being in the customer's best interest. They are literally forcing a customers to promise not hold anyone responsible for the money they have paid. How is this POSSIBLY in the customers best interest?

Beyond that, they even say that anyone who disagrees just wants them to fail and everyone to lose their money.

"If you question us, you just hate us and the entire pinball community. BTW we just hired a guy who took all your money and said you wont get it back unless you promise not to sue us."

#12042 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Guys my own stupidity got me into this mess with JPOP, I believed in him and he lied to me. I know we all try to watch out for each other and I appriciate that! Let's see how this plays out with Bill, I will be heading to the Nwest show next week to see & play MG... I hope to see some of you there.

I'm envious of you man... at least have a great time there. There are indeed some things more important than cash... like your health. Especially your mental health after enduring all this.
Frankly I'm impressed with how well everybody here has handled this.
Hang in there and give us the full scoop when you return.

#12043 4 years ago
Quoted from danczaz:

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Wow. Now THIS he does with amazing speed and competence.

#12044 4 years ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

By people do you mean non customers who have no money on the line? If some of you are trying to run Bill off your doing a great job of it! Those of us who have been scammed by JPOP have already lost our money IMHO Bill is our last hope of getting something more than nothing. As an "owner" I feel I have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Bill can pull this off.
Just to recap... the money is already lost, JPOP pissed it down the drain! Without Bill its game over (no pun intended)

I think it's game over either way (there's not enough money left to make these things)...except by not signing the "no sue" clause means at least JPOP won't get off scott-free on top of not getting a game or money back!

#12045 4 years ago
Quoted from danczaz:

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His personal Facebook page is also gone.

#12046 4 years ago

I would say it is an uphill battle. Stranger things have happened, but I see the bankruptcy hammer falling sooner or later on Zidware. I think Bill bought the licence to produce the games from Zidware. I don't know what the courts will say about that.

Making pinball machines is the new thoroughbred horse ownership. It is a good way to make a large fortune into a small fortune. Tread lightly.

Quoted from Manic:

This would be great but do you expect them to build a bunch of machines essentially for almost nothing to satisfy the people that have already given their money to JP? And then hope to make enough money from new sales of the machine to not just offset this cost... but then to even make a profit?
I wonder if they even have to honor the customers here if they buy rights to making the machine?
I would hope so but who knows? But personally I wish Bill and all you guys the best. Should be an exciting show... to say the least

#12047 4 years ago
Quoted from The_Crow:

I have not been asked for any payments from these "investors" and the only motive i have seen from them is to bring these pinballs to something other than a dream. I have seen more positive information from them in the past few days than i have seen in months on the blog.

I was open minded too... until the Sabrina Wei-gate.
Simply too much for me.

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#12048 4 years ago

On the topic of Sabrina:

Quoted from wcbrandes:

again one more time she is not a shareholder I am 100%. If i pay her to get things done which she does she has 0 control over anything I do.

Quoted from wcbrandes:

She has no control over anything in this company she is paid to do the work I have no time doing. She will never have authority to touch a thing I would never let this happen in any of my companies or business'

That sounds fair enough to me. She's not in control of things. Cool. I don't think anyone should be panicking about her.

However, you're just never going to lose this cloud if you don't address it. Either demonstrate that she's not the same Sabrina, or maybe distance yourself. The allegations may not even be true, but just having someone like that associated with your enterprise given the Zidware situation is going to be toxic. Not worth it to keep reading the word "ponzi". Tell her it's nothing personal, just for the best to increase the chances of success of a tricky venture.

On the subject of the Pintasia account:

Quoted from wcbrandes:

a friend who I kindly asked not too as you all know why. He was just upset reading all this accusations etc. Some don't have thick skin

Can you please clarify who the Pintasia account is? Are you saying it's your friend, and not the official company account? Should we not take anything from that account as speaking with authority?

Or are you saying that a friend of yours either has the password or sat down at your computer with your Pintasia account logged in and wrote things without your permission? And that the rest of the Pintasia posts are real? Or only some of them?

Quoted from wcbrandes:

if have to wait for bankruptcy I will and I will be on the list to collect pennies like the rest. I also can just buy the IP for a song unless Stern or JJP or another reputable manufacturer wanted to take it. If they did I would bid it up and make them pay to get as much as possible back to all us creditors. This is an option however I felt no the best.

This is absolutely true. Personally I think you're crazy to try and do it the way you're doing it, but if you can actually pull of making everyone whole, it's gotta be better than everything running into the courts and dragging on who knows how long for whatever spare change is left.

This whole thing is a f***ing mess. I can't see the harm in giving Bill a chance to at least show the game, and make his pitch.

More clarity would be good. But there's time for it. At least waiting for the NW show seem fair. I think it's even fair to remind everyone if too much time goes by. But repeatedly beating the drums isn't gonna help anyone. The buyers are all adults, they can see the reality of this as well as anyone. Let them make their own decisions.

#12049 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

Tedder associate Sabrian Wei working on resume - OffshoreAlert
http://www.offshorealert.com › Forum › Old Message Board
Little history on Sabrina Wei. Director of International Heritage which was a Ponzi scheme that faced action by the SEC. Its leader Stan Van Etten was featured ...
Did you know she was a part of another ponzi scheme as Director of International Heritage?
I mean this is a serial history of ponzi schemes, not a one-off. How did you select her as a business partner? Did you see her resume?

Exactly. This is a damned if you did, damned if you didn't scenario. If Pintasia did know about her involvement, it throws serious doubt as to their intentions and credibility. If they didn't know this about her involvement, it throws serious doubts as to their competence. Broken english/bad grammar replies and a botched reveal with ridiculous legal terms also add to this fire.

Now we're also getting the "sorry I've been working 18 hour days and don't have time to respond to these things". Now, who do we know that used that line a lot... Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't have time now, where is the time going to come from when these things are being manufactured and they require 5x more time?

What you all do is up to you, but as an impartial outsider, I know I'd be running far, far away from this and pursuing my own avenues for restitution. Pennies on the dollar is still better than losing thousands more. None of the moves I've seen are confidence-inspiring, and in fact, the opposite. They don't paint a picture of a group who can get the job done.

#12050 4 years ago
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