Yes, I've encountered several instances where I've had to replace broken kicker brackets. Luckily, they have been remade.

I don't enjoy moving system 3 games since they're so big an heavy. Some WPC games are pretty close in weight, though, and can be bears to move around too.

It has a pretty solid board set (aside from that one issue) that doesn't really need any bulletproofing, has robust playfield mechanisms, good quality wiring, and a sturdy cabinet. The protection layer on the playfield wasn't great, though. And Gottlieb picked all the wrong spots to cover (or not cover) in mylar.

From my experience with picking up project games, system 3 games almost always boot and flip without needing to touch anything. Anything else...maybe 1 out 8 games I find will boot without touching anything.

only time I was thread ejected ....... & no vulgarity was mentioned ??

I just got moderated for "other" because of my obvious joke about TBK. I've said multiple times how helpful he is. Heavy handed much?

I'm still laughing from your post so well worth it! But unexpected that's for sure.

jpop resurfaces = gottlieb? huh....

over engineered maybe,

but they certainly made up for it, with their brilliant system 3 boards.

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You mean System 11, right? I appreciate that Gottlieb's relays are serviceable, and that there was continuity in logic all the way from the 50s to the end (maybe longer!).

They thought of their customers. Including their long term customers.

Gottlieb has extremely reliable boardsets with easy to follow wiring. Their fusing was always high quality. Their schematics and manuals are also very nice.

I appreciate both their innovations and ability to pull from a successful past to make a modern game. Their boardsets with a split between driver and logic are just a lot smarter than other manufacturers at the time.

Well in all fairness they didn't really have much code to decipher. That must have been Gottlieb's motto , build it like a tank, but keep it simple.

The shorter development time for each title may have contributed to that, compared to the longer development time periods of other manufacturers.

They were probably selling them for quite a bit less too I'd imagine, but don't know for sure. It wasn't really Gottlieb's deal anymore anyway was it, after Premier took over?

Gilbert Pollock was in charge when it was Premier.

I tell you what, i'll take awesome toys like the helicopter on rescue 911 any day to the shitfest toys Stern is giving us now. A deathstar that opens up like a hatchimal. Does it even count as a toy? Least gottlieb tried. The Dez was a great toy. Yeah the rules sucked on waterworld, but the layout is solid and the toy is pretty unique and complex. But no....no no no....those toys on a spring, that's some next level shit.

All I said was this bit of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.

There's a guy at my church that sometimes does the readings. He looks and sounds like he could be JPOS. God I wanna punch that guy.

24 is really bad, too. Same Stern era of suck.

LMFAO yeah no kidding, I'll take my Wipeout over a Stern Star Wars

Can we get back on topic?

Boom. Mic Drop.

I don't usually call for a moderator but, yeah, agreed. My subtle hints in this thread didn't work.

The moderator is advancing the off topic discussion.

Why should this thread be closed? There are a ton of SW threads and a million others for every new Stern release yet two Jpop threads is too many.

shut up and take my money! lol

I don't think anyone asked for this thread to be closed. They were just commenting that it has veered way off topic. In keeping with that trend, I have to say I absolutely love my Stargate! It's a ton of fun, and a great bang for the buck!

That's just where the conversation happened to go (which detoured from a conversation about build quality). It happens. There really hasn't been much new concerning JPOP in a little while, so until something comes to light, there isn't really a whole lot to talk about without spinning your wheels.

But if anyone does have something, by all means, jump in and share

I stand corrected, BoJo.

that's because stargate is fantastic.

So how about someone beginning a new thread with this Gottlieb theme in mind. I've read in other threads where moderators have warned people to stay on topic in the past.

Look, I have a vested interest in the Jpop situation and I think Stargate is a piece of shit. I hated repeatedly hearing "Shoot the Pyramid", "Shoot the Pyramid" over and over again. I hated it almost as much as checking back into this thread each time it pops up.

Hey wait. Did I just join in?

LOL!!!

Ponzi schemes could be compared similarly to pyramid schemes....... Shoot the pyramid!

Hi Keith
We're you still there for the Borg designs only like NBA or Big Buck Hunter Pro as thi SE are really fun to play.

did you know if you hold the flipper buttons in when you start a game, those voice calls lessen greatly?

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There is also a switch on the bottom of the cabinet that can eliminate those annoying call outs altogether.

Realistically, this makes sense.

Even in this hobby / industry, where people seem to be given innumerable second chances despite being proven grossly incompetent, dishonest, fraudsters, or a combination thereof, it's difficult to fathom that at this stage someone honest and well-intentioned, with any familiarity with pinball, would come in and either hire JPop or do something with the Zidware mess.

Not after American Pinball getting so publicly and embarassingly burned just last year.

A quasi-legal insurance enterprise that appears to rely on confidence tricks and gross ignorance of buyers seems like a depressingly predictable background and way of doing business for a party or parties getting involved.

Hopefully the pinball community will not ignore all the warning signs this time.

I couldn't stop watching that video. So addictive.........

QSS

there is also a modified ROM that makes them even better

It's got to be a tax dodge, mark my words. What will they do if enough people actually preorder?!

Has JPOP ever used disparaging language toward those in Vancouver?

UPDATE

I spoke to Deeproot legal counsel today, Gunn, Lee and Cave. I've known Ted Lee since my early days in the 80's at Ernst & Young.

The fact that these guys are representing Robert is a really big deal in my mind from a credibility standpoint.

They are and have been IP experts for a LONG time.

I was initially very positive about the prospects of people having another opportunity to get what John promised us. After all, as crappy as it was he delivered on MG.

I posted an article referencing the article in the San Antonio Business Journal as a point of reference for everybody to review and make up their own minds regarding "Life Settlements" and that part of the article.

I pointed out the issues that Life Partners, a publicly traded company, had with fraudulently deceiving investors, etc. I went back and re read the disclosure statement and while its NOT something I'd ever promote, in no way, it does NOT equate to the fraud that was committed by Life Partners.

It's a VERY complicated alternative asset class and one that carry's a ton of negative baggage with it. Based on my reading and the explanation by the attorney there is NO comparison with the asset class itself, and certainly not on the intent to defraud and deceive as in the Life Partners case.

Like i said, i have clients that have gotten hurt financially in that case and it raised a red flag when i saw the term "Life Settlements" in the article.

Deeproot appears to offer an ALTERNATIVE ASSET CLASS INVESTMENT option and love for pinball. That is why I was intrigued initially due our similar backgrounds and coincidental affinity for pinball.

I misinterpreted the statement that Robert couldn't meet with me right now as they were in a money raise phase and didn't want to disclose "accredited investor details"

Thus, my comment re SEC Reg D filings and money raise disclosures.

As it turns out, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against John, as also previously reported, are in negotiation to work out a settlement.

Since none of this had been made public, all in private, what was going to happen to the remaining Jpop victims?

It appears that the "workout" is going to be made public sometime in the near future.

Litigation guys have more at stake and thus should get something more for fighting the fight and the REST of the $$$ buyers will be offered up something as well.

As i tell my clients, 100% of nothing is nothing.

At this point, it appears that Deeproot has the funding and certainly competent representation to make an attempt at this effort.

I chimed in pissed off at the back room deal settled with the original plaintiffs and nothing for the rest of us. That won't fly and that isn't their intention anyhow.

At the end of the day, I retract and don't want to paint Robert and crew in any sort of analogy with "Life Partners" and fraud, I don't believe it at all. It's NOT something i would endorse or participate in but it appears the story wasn't accurately represented in the San Antonio Business Journal.

In addition, Robert really hasn't had a chance to come in here and defend himself and disclose exactly what the plan is, due to confidential settlement negotiations with the plaintiffs.

As stated earlier, IF Deeproot can actually deliver on what they say they can then we all win. If not, then its just another failed pinball venture.

I think we can all hope that it all works out after the pain and misery for years! Everybody, no matter how it all transpired deserves a chance at redemption, again.

Either way, it will be fun to watch play out! I support Robert and his efforts and hopefully he can do what others haven't been able to accomplish with John.

Can we leave JPOP alone and get back to eating gmo's and watching crappy sports with tons of commercials with annoying jingles.

Stargate has super deep code. So much to do. I'd put it up against any so called "deep" modern pin by jjp or stern. I loved my stargate, I want it back

Every pin repeats the same callouts over and over and over. The code doesn't magically change every time you play it. You play any pin enough times and you can argue the audio gets repetitive and annoying.

Stargate is a good game. I was simply on a rant about people going way off topic in this "JPOP thread" and I used poetic license to make my point. My apologies to all fans of Stargate.

...jeeze

Oh, great! Now you're taking The Lord's name in vain...

So, apple juice and zombie are not going to get fucked hard by these ass clowns? sorry Ice, I'm not buying it. They, deep root have shown their cards, they are nothing more than crooks, instead of guns they use lawyers. They are scum.

I'm sure if anyone has ever used any disparaging language towards anyone, you will be the first to point it out.

Thanks for the update, Ice.

This is pretty mindblowing. Pinball as an investment vehicle. I think we've learned over the last few years just what a terrible business it is to start. So many ways to eat money, so many ways to lose your shirt, and how much upside could there possibly be?

what? I must be missing something

Well, it looks like all the Texas boys have been bought and paid for by deep pockets.

I suppose you're entitled to not respect your own work if you choose. I feel that way about things I draw by hand all the time. But how you feel about things doesn't (and shouldn't) change my opinion of it. SF2 was a game I avoided as a kid, even when I preferred pinball over arcades, and 90% of my time on said arcades was spent playing Street Fighter Alpha 2. That's how awful that game is to me. /shrug