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Join the middle-pop club!

By NicoVolta

3 years ago

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#2 3 years ago

I take it that more pinball history design lessons will follow.

#17 3 years ago

My fav is Magic (Town/City)
It has that woodrail feel
in design and layout and play.

2 weeks later
#102 3 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Is the seminar available online at all?

ARE there any close-up PF photos of the Harry Williams Typhoon Pin from the Expo seminar
that Duncan reproduced from that seminar posted online?

2 weeks later
#130 3 years ago

A game ahead of its time with 3 ball play.
What is up with the plastics?
are they reversed?

4 months later
#182 2 years ago
Quoted from NicoVolta:

In 1968, Ted Zale (of Bally) designed one middle-pop game, Safari. Perhaps due to the differences in coil specs between Bally/Williams, the middle pop bumper on this game isn't very strong compared to the ones designed by Clark.
(I don't own a Safari, but if I did, I'd likely remove a few turns of wire or swap in a stronger coil.)

Sorry to maybe rain on the middle pop bumper parade,
but it is my belief that BLY Safari only has a dead (passive) bumper between the flips.
I have owned two Safaris and if my memory serves
there is no "pop" in the bottom bumper between the flippers
I checked the schematic that i have (i will post portions later)
and they only note a Left Thumper, Right Thumper and Top Thumper bumper
and the only reference to the bumper between the flippers is named
Center bumper (bottom) with only a switch and no relay coil.
Same holds true for the Parts List for Relay coils and Assembly coils part numbers
only 3 (total) listed for the upper thumper bumpers.

Even though when viewing the PAPA youtube video of gameplay,
what appears to be a kick upwards by the center bottom bumper,
it is actually just newtons law and a good rebound rubber at work and not a pop bumper,
so all the unwinding of the non-existent coil, will not make it more lively.
I think that over time that center dead bumper (passive) cap
as shown on the flyer, was replace by operators with
the typical star burst cap to "fool" the player.

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#191 2 years ago
Quoted from Ace24:

So if the 1st # was 1000,

First would likely be Serial #1001.

Also there might be a small chance that someone swapped Cabinets
at some point in time with conventional (later) Freedom.
Besides the ser# stamped on outside of head and CAB
is there any other Ser# tags on the inside
on Bottom Board or inside the head of backbox baffle?

My middle pop Freedom
was Ser. #1085

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#194 2 years ago

Well at least that tends to support the theory
of more than 100 middle pop, proto Freedom EMs were produced.

Now need to see if any Freedom EMs with conventional PF layout were shipped out
and stamped with Serial #s in the range of 1001 to 1100.

#196 2 years ago

might have been mr. pinball price list
here is a snippet from my 2012 price guide
that i bought from mr.pinball in spreadsheet format

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IT states Approx 100 (~100)
so about 150 may still be within that scope.

11 months later
#215 1 year ago

Has this game been listed before as a middle Pop game??
Certainly rare here in USA, but still.

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#217 1 year ago
Quoted from setzkor:

Looks awesome

drop targets PLUS a revolving turntable with 3 pop bumpers (much like NAGS)

#220 1 year ago

Now that you mention it I do seem to recall that post about a year ago.

Do not forget the 2nd chance rebounds on side drains (ala Flip FLop or other Patla designs)
Also I think there are 2 drop targets in the middle of the playfield, (kinda like GTB Mustang)
You are correct that the mid pop between flippers and surrounding areas,
does not give much chance of exciting recovery or action down there.

Interesting game none the less.

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#223 1 year ago

Just goes to show there are still some rare holy grails out there, just have to be lucky and persistent.

#229 1 year ago

Also his eagles have no eyes, it appears.
That and fact that he has no Serial numbers on CAB or Head
point to early Proto of this mid pop Proto

#235 1 year ago
Quoted from frobozz:

Can Harry's lost designs join the middle-magnet club?

Not until it is finished and playable.

Good luck on getting it completed
prior to the VFW showcase deadline.
hope you find someone to help transport it from Chicago to Ann Arbor Mich.

more photos please
do not be such a tease.

9 months later
#291 10 months ago

Not an official middle pop game, due to fact it has retrofit flippers installed.
Saw this on woodrails topic thread
Game is Exhibit's Contact.
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