Quoted from knockerlover:

Can we get back to talking about the Oktoberfest pin vs useless unrelated mods?

Quoted from vid1900:

It should have lot's of real German words.
How insulting to the German people to think American Pinball could not have hired voice talent that speaks German.....
The soundtrack should be all in German too:

Quoted from rubberducks:

I'd much prefer at least mostly German audio.

Quoted from branlon8:

Not sure, though, how a focus on consumption of alcoholic beverages translates into „family friendly“.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Actually, I think noobs have an easier time with Houdini. Diehard pinheads have a hard time and brick shots due to muscle memory from wide use of the same shot geometry on so many Sterns over the years and it's not quite the same on Houdini. Once you adjust to the table, it's great, but lots of players blame the game, not the player, which is wrong.

Quoted from ectobar:

I blame the game, because I don't think anything about it is fun.

Quoted from Luzur:

Why they cant just make it a fantasy/sci-fi theme is beyond me, it used to work just fine back in the day.

Quoted from c508:

It’s not like we are asking them to wear a dirndl!

Quoted from rosh:

do it with art

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Yep - some witty writing! What does Hitler mean by "bud out" though???
Must be a nazi thing.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Absolutely. 100% completed layout refinements and final code too.

Quoted from PinMonk:

It doesn't need to be a polka packed soundtrack, but it DOES need to be a cohesive package. Houdini is for the most part very cohesive musically. Oktoberfest thus far is not and the changes are jarring. Jarring is bad.

Quoted from benheck:

Yeah that's where I saw it too.
Try white text with a nice black stroke and maybe use pink instead of white squares on background.

Quoted from benheck:

Those shingles were there before you were just distracted by Greta The Human Pretzel.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Pretty sure they'd sell a bunch of LE bundles with all the stuff listed pre-installed.

Quoted from whitey:

Just got a Houdini last night ! Heard pros n cons about it but I really like the game. Yes the shots are tight and tough but that’s what makes it a good game for a player. Looking forward to Oktoberfest!
I think the display, build quality, is spot on! I like it better than JJP and the remakes and I own those . All the best
To American Pinball love your design
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Quoted from PinMonk:

I've said it before but Cliff has a TON of engineering experience and decades of real-world hole protection experience. If any of the manufacturers wanted to make hole designs that were more wear resistant and protector-friendly, they would really benefit from asking for his help at the design stage. He's open to collaborate and would like to see better hole designs from the factory - I've asked him. I see the beveled holes on AP machines and shake my head. The bevel will not help the wear situation and it makes it much harder to make a good protector. Houdini proved that, but they're doing it again (apparently) on Oktoberfest.

Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Cant wait for second reveal and design improvements!

Quoted from Platypus:

bees in hand....

Quoted from BertoDRINK1:

The plastics was the only thing I had an issue with

Quoted from PinMonk:

I don't live there, but we go into the city fairly frequently (there ARE a LOT more homeless around downtown in the last few years), and never had a car break-in or trouble parking. I mean, if you can survive the Orpheum exit at NIGHT on the edge of the tenderloin district and then have to WALK 1-2 blocks to the parking, you can pretty much do anywhere downtown. The tenderloin is about as sketch as it gets.
For FGW's selection, I'd brave that every couple months and you can play all the new stuff in one place.

Quoted from BertoDRINK1:

still hate the mustache girl

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Hopefully, API figures out a happy medium for OKF, this game looks very promising and quite fun too. Can’t wait to flip it.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Yes. It would absolutely be worth $500 more to get a full professional animation package with good art direction and cohesive design.
But it would not cost that much. They could get where they need to go by about half that, which would be "good enough" and set a platform for them to really blossom with their upcoming unlicensed titles like Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hood, etc.

Quoted from alexanr1:

It’s really fun to play. I hope everyone here gets a chance to play it.

Quoted from bobukcat:

Just be sure you don't look at the display while playing or all fun will be voided.

Quoted from HOOKED:

Question I'd like to ask ....how many of those on this thread are currently buying this machine?
Discussion is great but who is putting money down?

Quoted from TiltDis:

If it hasn’t been posted before... Pac-Man Entertainment in Schaumburg, IL has an Oktoberfest on location! Looks to be production game possibly based on the backglass and cabinet.
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Quoted from LTG:

https://www.pingraffix.com/ Joe had side blades and topper stuff for Octoberfest. Some that have the light show. At TPF. Looked great.
No idea if any come with game or not.
LTG : )

Quoted from rosh:

so I'm not surprised by the hate

Quoted from Bublehead:

Sometimes progress is more important than substance. The artwork, imo, was the last thing they focused on prior to Expo. And from playing it there, to playing it at TPF, it was pretty obvious, the table was so close to being presentable, that they did present it at Expo, with Twisted Sister our favorite bar maid contortionist, along with Oafish Otto, who has a grin so large you can see his rear molars, not to mention Mr. P.C. Monkey the Magician and his disapearing hand. They needed to get it out to show they can compete, they can develope, that they are significant players in the arena. Did they stumble? most would say they didn’t leave the blocks clean, and have been limping ever since. I think they wanted to capitalize on JJPOTC’s mech misteps and get 2 alternate titles, and thus alternate buyer choices to the market to capitalize.
Then CGC got their MBrLE in line for Expo, JJP got Eric to stand and play games with us players and explain his POTC creation, and everyone went and bought a MBrLE, or a AFMr or a MMr, or a JJPOTC, or DP, or BM66Prm, or IMDN, or any number of other Stern titles to choose from, and Mr. Poor Castrated Monkey was left holding his own hand and crying while Pinside rips the Artwork, the LCD, and the animations, does a double take at JJP WOZYBR’s price, thinks about waiting for WW, TS, GNR, thinks hard about a Munsters Premium, and plops it’s money down on BKSoR LE and waits.
I think in any other timeframe than this one, Oktoberfest would have been a great machine, could have been (or could still be, with some changes) a big seller, and would have cemented AP as a player in the game. Right now, they have something, but people are confused as to what that “something” is. They are acting like Gottlieb if you ask me sincerely, kind of a runner up, or always the third wheel when talking the big three.

Quoted from delt31:

impressed with flip book animation

Quoted from Roostking:

Well I just reread my post and it didnt come out right. You personally know about srt and .aking a fun game. Is what I meant to get across is that a pro might be overly critical, whereas the layman, such as myself, might not see it as a big deal. Of course when the pros get critical, it pushes the developer to improve.
Back on topic. Can't wait to play one day.

Quoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:

What's the story on the characters that once sat in the bumper cars (Duckie, Hot Dog, Monkey)? Cost cutting, or is it that they wouldn't fit under the wireform, or something else? They were super cool, way better than empty bumper cars.

Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

criticism is constructive or idiotic,

Quoted from zaki:

Wow.. this game is bad. Where do I start..the animation. Houdini was better

Quoted from Yelobird:

I thought that was a RUSH trick....

Quoted from PinMonk:

I see they've been added to the list. Thanks! Looking forward to checking out Oktoberfest in person.
Weird that no one is bringing a Spooky Rob Zombie when there's so many people trying to sell one...they have all the "offical" Spooky (no Jetsons or Dominoes contract ones) except that one.

Quoted from arcadem:

Thanks Josh. All good points but I prefer spiral over '3 ring loose leaf' binders because less chances of pages getting stuck/torn when flipping through them. Also, I can always get updated pages interlaced if necessary for just a few bucks. I have 3 JJP games now and I feel OKT 'deserves ' a manual as good as those. I do have a real appreciation now why JJP charges as much as they do for their manuals, a real bargain if you ask me. BTW, if any one else is thinking of doing the same thing, put a copy of the OKT color sales sheet in the front. It looks great.

Quoted from Ferret:

And we are most certainly not done yet. Enjoy!

Quoted from pinballslave:

So you've never cradled the ball deciding what to shoot at next? I'd like to decide how to play the game if that's OK with you, Stein selection is a strategic choice, like a board game... I don't see how being given more time to decide can negatively effect anyone... you can still select a Stein immediately with the flipper buttons! I realise that flipping between Steins is a way to delay the auto select, but its a pain trying to read and adsorb the benefits while switching Steins... and it won't let me get another beer, unless I'm playing with someone else and can get him to keep shuffling Steins 'till I get back... a simple code tweak can solve this and won't force players who don't like to wait to wait... best for everyone, no?