Perfect Johnny Mnemonic Pinball with color DMD versus Star Trek next generation average wear. If value didn’t matter. Which would you get?
OK Star Trek was decided. Now World Cup soccer Vs Johnny Mnemonic.
Perfect Johnny Mnemonic Pinball with color DMD versus Star Trek next generation average wear. If value didn’t matter. Which would you get?
OK Star Trek was decided. Now World Cup soccer Vs Johnny Mnemonic.
JM is the most underrated and best value game in pinball. If it had the Matrix theme it would be worth MM prices.
Super fast, excellent rules and callouts, great mechs. Power down is a super fun Wizard Mode. I really never get sick of playing it.
STTNG is a great game as well, I just prefer JM. Good luck with your decision! Either way, I think you will be happy with either game.
Quoted from ItsOnlyPinball:JM is the most underrated and best value game in pinball. If it had the Matrix theme it would be worth MM prices.
Good heavens, it would not. Hyperbolize, much?
I've had an STTNG and enjoyed it but have never even played a JM, so I had to vote for STTNG. But the theme and license and great execution of them alone give it a huge leg up in that department. The movie 'Johnny Mnemonic' strikes me as being like the movie "The Shadow". The only people who have actually seen it are the ones who own the pinball. The vice versa is not necessarily true though because I owned and enjoyed a Shadow machine and still have never watched that flop-o-roonie movie. If I had a JM I probably wouldn't watch its corresponding box office bomb either.
Owned JM and played plenty of STTNG, and TNG wins by a mile. It's such an awesome, flowy, and thematic game. One of the most packed pins ever made. Very, very fun, without any frustration. Battling the Borg Ship is really cool.
JM has it's moments, but it's also very clunky shooting up the middle, has a very unsatisfying feed out of the pops, and it really doesn't have nearly as much to offer as TNG. JM is not a bad game at all, but I found it to be as frustrating as it was fun when I owned it.
Quoted from Gorgar666:ROGL... please elaborate a reason?
I can elaborate, and make it simple too...
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Quoted from Gorgar666:ROGL... please elaborate a reason?
How many do you need? If one is all you need, then simply this: the gameplay of STTNG is miles beyond JM, every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
If you need more than one, I can elaborate more, because there are a LOT of reasons why STTNG is a better game than JM. In fact, I fail at the moment to think of any individual category wherein I would give the nod to JM, and it's *really* rare that I would say that someone else's artwork is better than John Youssi's WMS artwork. In this case, though? Yeah, Greg Freres' STTNG art bests John Youssi's JM art.
The myriad reasons are too numerous to list I think, though. Trust me: STTNG is, by far, the better machine, by at *least* a couple of letter grades.
It’s relatively easy to beat Johnny and no not talking about JohnnyPinball007 you can’t beat him!
Would take the Cup
I've owned STTNG & JM before and still have a WCS.
STTNG I don't miss, good modes and integration, but just too slow for me.
JM I absolutely miss. Hyper speed with great shots, good modes and a worthy wizard mode. Out of WCS or JM, I think I'd stick with WCS. Great all round appeal for noobs and pros alike, great theme. Concept of working towards the World Cup never gets old, either do shooting goals!
I've owned both JM and WCS. In fact, I've owned numerous examples of both over the last couple of decades.
WCS is a better choice.
I love JM. It's fast, sound effects and music are incredible. The call outs are so bad they are good. Where it falls apart are the rules. The ONLY way to get a great score is to get the spinner lit and max your playfield multiplier. Playing modes is a waste of time, playing the multiball is a waste. It's a real shame as the wizard mode is outstanding. For points though, only the spinner strategy works and that gets frustrating.
JM is such a blast to play. It's the fastest Williams DMD by a long shot. I love playing it, but the rules are so poorly implemented.
That said, in a home environment, you don't have to go for points and can explore the modes and wizard mode. And it is fun which is why I have owned several and would own it again.
So why WCS? WCS is just a great value game that is a blast to play. It's a super inviting game as well and is a favourite among new players and kids. Just mention that in case it's a consideration. The music and GOAL call out really gets your heart pumping. It's a good looking game and just pure fun.
Honestly both are fun and you really cann't go wrong.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:You would take a cup to the nuts?
Absolutely. Gotta protect yourself in a game of soccer.
Quoted from TheLaw:Or neither!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have never seen someone so in denial of how much they love and appreciate JM. Amazing!
Quoted from NPO:^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have never seen someone so in denial of how much they love and appreciate JM. Amazing!
Ha! Then you know I unboxed it brand new and played it a ton; hasn't gotten any better in the last 25 years. Blah.
You can at least have fun with WCS till you grow out of it.
Quoted from Gorgar666:You unboxed a JM?
He prolly had spinner millions on a 4x multiplier with bonus held and tilted, and after that, RAGE HATE JM
Quoted from Gorgar666:You unboxed a JM?
Yeah plenty back then in the roaring 90s!
Quoted from NPO:.. and tilted....
Well I'm positive that happend
Quoted from NPO:^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have never seen someone so in denial of how much they love and appreciate JM. Amazing!
lol..lol..he never misses an opportunity to knock JM, but I think you’re right, he wants one bad.
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Hey there is some red on the cabinet - can't be that bad!
Quoted from wamonkey:Hey there is some red on the cabinet - can't be that bad!
It’s been in a Warehouse for 20 years. A/C and Wrapped. Will post pics once I get it home.
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