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JJPOTC vs JP2 Prem/LE


By Eskaybee

2 days ago



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“JJPOTC vs JP2”

  • JJPOTC 53 votes
    49%
  • JP2 Prem/LE 56 votes
    51%

(109 votes)

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#1 2 days ago

Battle of 2 modern Juggernauts. Let’s hear it.

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#2 2 days ago

JJP POTC makes any verison of JP looks like a Zizzle.

#3 2 days ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

JJP POTC makes any verison of JP looks like a Zizzle.

Gotta disagree with you here. I own both and JP2 is incredibly fun.

#4 2 days ago

I own both and honestly it would be hard to choose (assuming POTC were widely available). JP2 is much faster and more difficult (in a good way), but POTC is packed with features, missions, and depth.

#5 2 days ago

I think I'd have to give it to POTC for longevity.

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#6 2 days ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

JJP POTC makes any verison of JP looks like a Zizzle.

Any JJP game makes any Stern game looks like a Zizzle !

#7 2 days ago

Wtf is a zizzle?

#8 2 days ago

Wouldn't even have to think about this one, JP without a doubt!

#9 2 days ago

I need more time on JPOTC, but JP2 is perfection from a rules perspective and the game's layout is just the right amount of challenge for the depth provided. It feels perfectly balanced and games are short/medium in length. Most of my games are 6-8 minutes in length and my better games are 15-20 minutes. I think you could accomplish pretty much everything in the game in under 30 minutes. This is crucial for me having young kids and not a lot of dedicated/uninterrupted time for pinball.

For me, I've owned and have loved several of Keefer's Stern titles (LOTR, TSPP, WPT, WOF), but I think some of his more recent JJP games like Hobbit and JPOTC are almost too deep and convoluted and ball and game times skew really long.-especially on Hobbit but I've had some marathon games on JPOTC as well. And once you stack more than 2 things together it starts seeming like overkill. I love the layout on JPOTC and the ship is probably the coolest feature on any game I've ever played, but the vast number of modes just kind of seems "samey" after a while and the game seems like it's about stacking as many of the multi-balls together. It probably would be a good game to own at home if I didn't have young kids and had more dedicated pinball time to delve into the rules and not have to worry about 30+ minute games and getting interrupted constantly.

It might be worth reaching out to Karl troz since I know that he owns both games to get his opinion.

#10 2 days ago

I have POTC and JP pro and JP is almost too technical. It's a good shooter but doesn't make me happy while I play it. POTC is mind boggling goodness. You are in multiball 80% of the time, but that's what keeps it fun the whole time. You can keep starting and completing chapters while multiballs are running and you try to stack more (up to 6). But it feels more flat and doesn't have ramp goodness like JP or, to compare with another widebody, STTNG. Overall the sounds and light show on POTC are much better so it feels more fun.

#11 2 days ago
Quoted from Ty-Arnold:

Wtf is a zizzle?

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#13 2 days ago

You know where I stand get a JP2 and don’t look back!

#14 2 days ago

Tough choice. When in doubt, get both!

#15 2 days ago
Quoted from Eskaybee:

Battle of 2 modern Juggernauts. Let’s hear it.

Both are great, but JJP POTC is top 3 of all time for me. JP2 would win out against most other games for me, but not up against JJP POTC. That said, I would love to get a JP2 someday because it is a great game that I think would keep my interest in a home environment for quite sometime.

#16 2 days ago
Quoted from LesManley:

Both are great, but JJP POTC is top 3 of all time for me. JP2 would win out against most other games for me, but not up against JJP POTC. That said, I would love to get a JP2 someday because it is a great game that I think would keep my interest in a home environment for quite sometime.

Did you have to make any software/hardware adjustments to shorten the ball times since I know that you're a good player? How long is an average game vs. a really good game?

#17 2 days ago

I prefer JP Pirates is too long playing for me.

#18 2 days ago

Both JP2 and POTC are wonderful and I have BOTH games in-house currently... But if I'm going to compare the two, I DO prefer one over the other:
- POTC is too expensive for what you get out of it right now.
- POTC gets boring too quickly. It's all about stacking modes/multiballs which some prefer but I have found I dislike.
- JP2 has a level of immersion across the playfield/modes/LCD that I've fallen in love with and want in all games going forward.
- JP2 IMO does NOT require the premium/LE. I've played both the LE and the PRO quite a bit and I prefer the PRO.

I suggest pocketing the extra $5,000.00 to $9,000.00 in cash and just grab a JP2 PRO.

#19 2 days ago

I haven't played JP2 enough yet to provide a truly objective opinion.
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However, I have asked Karl DeAngelo, who does own and has streamed both extensively, which he would keep if only one and he said Pirates by a close call.

So there you go ... FWIW.

#20 2 days ago
Quoted from MikeS:

Did you have to make any software/hardware adjustments to shorten the ball times since I know that you're a good player? How long is an average game vs. a really good game?

No, I haven't changed anything. In fact, I believe that the difficulty settings aren't adjustable in the game as it sits currently even if someone wanted to.

The thing about JJP Pirates is that to have a great game, it has to be a longer game since there is so much to do, but with no ball save the game can be and is brutal at times. I can't imagine a casual player who has no idea what to do lasting more than a couple of minutes tops. For me, on a really good game, I normally get 3 EBs or more...but...I will have at least one ball, sometimes two, where it is basically plunge and drain. That never fails. Normally those plunge and drains happen when I have a big skull hold carried over, that wizard mode lit and a 6x bonus that isn't currently held, so they are all lost. A really good game for me is 5 million + and that takes usually takes 25 minutes or more, average game for me maybe 10 minutes. I've had a LOTR though and ball times aren't that long in comparison. Those 25+ minute games never get boring for me though, because there is so much on the line with every ball and you want to make sure you take advantage of it. Got to play that last movie mode to get that wizard mode lit, got to get a skull hold to carry that movie value over, got to get the bonus held, need to make sure you have a bunch of souls and don't lose them in Liar's Dice...and make sure you have your playfield multiplier built up to 6x potential and actually get 6x started when you start all the fun. It's still quite the adrenaline rush for me. JJP POTC really starts getting difficult as you complete movies and wizard modes since you have to really start shooting specific things. When you are focusing on specific shots and not just taking what the game gives since all the wizard modes are single ball and timed, it can be very unforgiving.

#21 2 days ago
Quoted from dontpanicflip:

Both JP2 and POTC are wonderful and I have BOTH games in-house currently... But if I'm going to compare the two, I DO prefer one over the other:
- POTC is too expensive for what you get out of it right now.
- POTC gets boring too quickly. It's all about stacking modes/multiballs which some prefer but I have found I dislike.
- JP2 has a level of immersion across the playfield/modes/LCD that I've fallen in love with and want in all games going forward.
- JP2 IMO does NOT require the premium/LE. I've played both the LE and the PRO quite a bit and I prefer the PRO.
I suggest pocketing the extra $5,000.00 to $9,000.00 in cash and just grab a JP2 PRO.

Great post, love your streams! Interesting comment about the pro vs premium. I haven’t given the pro a real look mainly because hear so the premium is the way to go. Plus its features look so cool and would be a hit in my family of dino lovers. But money is cool too, so gotta think about that one.

#22 1 day ago

I owned pirates for a year. Played JP2 less than 10 times.

JP2 gets my vote.

#23 1 day ago

JP2 was already a great shooter, now with the additional movie video/audio thrown in - it is over the top sweeeet!!

#24 1 day ago
Quoted from LesManley:

No, I haven't changed anything. In fact, I believe that the difficulty settings aren't adjustable in the game as it sits currently even if someone wanted to.
The thing about JJP Pirates is that to have a great game, it has to be a longer game since there is so much to do, but with no ball save the game can be and is brutal at times. I can't imagine a casual player who has no idea what to do lasting more than a couple of minutes tops. For me, on a really good game, I normally get 3 EBs or more...but...I will have at least one ball, sometimes two, where it is basically plunge and drain. That never fails. Normally those plunge and drains happen when I have a big skull hold carried over, that wizard mode lit and a 6x bonus that isn't currently held, so they are all lost. A really good game for me is 5 million + and that takes usually takes 25 minutes or more, average game for me maybe 10 minutes. I've had a LOTR though and ball times aren't that long in comparison. Those 25+ minute games never get boring for me though, because there is so much on the line with every ball and you want to make sure you take advantage of it. Got to play that last movie mode to get that wizard mode lit, got to get a skull hold to carry that movie value over, got to get the bonus held, need to make sure you have a bunch of souls and don't lose them in Liar's Dice...and make sure you have your playfield multiplier built up to 6x potential and actually get 6x started when you start all the fun. It's still quite the adrenaline rush for me. JJP POTC really starts getting difficult as you complete movies and wizard modes since you have to really start shooting specific things. When you are focusing on specific shots and not just taking what the game gives since all the wizard modes are single ball and timed, it can be very unforgiving.

Thanks for the detailed write up. Those ball times actually seem more reasonable than what I figured. I loved owning games like TSPP, WPT and LOTR in the past but eventually grew tired of the long ball times and struggled to find the motivation to play them as opposed to shorter ball time games. Unfortunately JPOTC was one of the few games that wasn't bought for route around me so I've still got less than 40 games on it and never got a true feel for the rules beyond just trying to stack stuff together.

#25 1 day ago
Quoted from gumnut01:

I owned pirates for a year. Played JP2 less than 10 times.
JP2 gets my vote.

Less than 10 times? Wow, an expert opinion!

#26 1 day ago
Quoted from MikeS:

Thanks for the detailed write up. Those ball times actually seem more reasonable than what I figured. I loved owning games like TSPP, WPT and LOTR in the past but eventually grew tired of the long ball times and struggled to find the motivation to play them as opposed to shorter ball time games. Unfortunately JPOTC was one of the few games that wasn't bought for route around me so I've still got less than 40 games on it and never got a true feel for the rules beyond just trying to stack stuff together.

The wrinkle that JJP POTC throws in to a longer playing game discussion is that you had 22 characters to pick from which each help or hinder you in some way. That helps keep it fresh because depending on the character, your scores and progress can vary wildly even with a similarly played game.

#27 1 day ago
Quoted from JoinTheCirqus:

Less than 10 times? Wow, an expert opinion!

No. Just sick of pirates.

And You can tell if you like a layout after 5 games. It’s the software I may not be able to get a well rounded feeling for. But theme and fun factor you can learn very quickly. I had 4 games of DP and loved it, bought it and love it still. I had 2 games of Munsters and did not like it because of the lower playfield. A game can be as deep as the dark places in the sea, but if you don’t like playing it and it doesn’t grab your attention than its not worth owning.

I went in to it expecting not to like JP. Got a buzz and can see from the number of modes there is heaps there.

Pirates wowed me cos it overwhelmed me. The layout is fun and varied. Pirates has lots of modes but they’re all the same. Shoot flashing shots, no story. The wizard modes are all boring one ball, shoot flashing shots. Pirates has a good layout, ship is great but hardly used and gold plundering is fantastic. But that’s it, just lots of multiballs with boring episodes and boring wizards.

So yes I might get sick JP2 after half a year, but I can tell you JJPOTC has nothing to offer in terms of depth. If the software was completely rewritten for the episodes and the wizards than my opinion may be different. But after 1 year of waiting for an update, never happened, my interest waned and wife hated it.

I’m glad people love it, and my opinion is just my opinion. This is the first time I have ever said anything bad about it.

Owned AFM for 3-4 years. Loved it at first plunge and love it still.

Different strokes. eskaybee asked for opinions, so I gave him mine

#28 1 day ago
Quoted from Eskaybee:

Battle of 2 modern Juggernauts. Let’s hear it.

JP, and it's not close. POTC is WAY overrated.

Own JPLE, one of the best pins ever, finally got to play some POTC and no thanks, no interest.

#29 1 day ago

Have a JP2 Pre and JJP POTC LE and really like them both but for different reasons. Shots on both are varied and layouts are a blast. POTC is a multiball bonanza which might be good or bad depending on what you are looking for, I love it. JP2 has the "quest" progression on the playfield a la Roadshow and I like that I don't need to look up at the screen to see my path to the visitors center. Great use of third flipper on both.

Both are staying for a while, I think POTC will be here longer mainly because of rarity (not sure I could ever afford it again if I sold it). POTC might be my favorite game but JP2 is right there with it.

#30 1 day ago

I was super excited about POTC but the more I played it the less fun it got. I love my JP LE but honestly theme is absolutely huge for me in my games, so the fact mine has the movie sound and video clips probably makes it rate even higher in my book.

#31 1 day ago

POTC by a country mile....

#32 1 day ago
Quoted from iceman44:

JP, and it's not close. POTC is WAY overrated.
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#33 1 day ago

With JP, you gotta get the premium. The pro is still a great game, but the way the t-Rex interacts with the ball is so cool. Then you have the raptor pen, and the target shot with the up post is so satisfying to him. It then acts like a newton ball during raptor MB to keep 2x going. If it’s worth the extra cost, is up to the individual, but in my mind it’s what makes the game that much more fun. If you can only get the pro, you’ll still get a great game, but for me it’s premium all the way for an incredible experience.

Pirates is so expensive right now, that it’s past the point of being worth it, in my mind. I don’t own it, so it’s hard to compare, but I have played both. JP is one of the best games ever in my humble point of view.

#34 1 day ago
Quoted from spandol:

With JP, you gotta get the premium. The pro is still a great game, but the way the t-Rex interacts with the ball is so cool. Then you have the raptor pen, and the target shot with the up post is so satisfying to him. It then acts like a newton ball during raptor MB to keep 2x going. If it’s worth the extra cost, is up to the individual, but in my mind it’s what makes the game that much more fun. If you can only get the pro, you’ll still get a great game, but for me it’s premium all the way for an incredible experience.
Pirates is so expensive right now, that it’s past the point of being worth it, in my mind. I don’t own it, so it’s hard to compare, but I have played both. JP is one of the best games ever in my humble point of view.

I would agree that if factoring in market pricing than I would say JP2....hard to justify POTC being $6K better than a JP2 LE

#35 1 day ago

eskaybee Open invite to come by and play my JP2 prem. I'll just reset the high scores if you crush it lol

#36 1 day ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

JJP POTC makes any verison of JP looks like a Zizzle.

That is spectacularly stupid.

#37 1 day ago

I bought them both NIB, still have Jurassic, only regret on selling POTC is I didn’t hold out for the big money they are going for now.

#38 1 day ago
Quoted from TheGunnett:

I bought them both NIB, still have Jurassic, only regret on selling POTC is I didn’t hold out for the big money they are going for now.

Same here ,bought both new but I also sold my JPLE to fund something else and do regret that, , the PotcCE not so much . The endles multibal stacking got old ... JP might have less hardware , but as so often, less is more

#39 1 day ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

JJP POTC makes any verison of JP looks like a Zizzle.

He's a JJP fanboy. Take what he says with a grain of salt. JP is the winner here, EASILY

#40 1 day ago

I owned both POTC LE and JP LE, and I would pick JP. I would second the opinion to get a JP pro and save the money though.

#41 1 day ago
Quoted from cscmtp:

He's a JJP fanboy.

Him and Romulous are beyond fanboys at this point. There isn't a word for them, wait.

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