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JJPOTC Updates for Production

By Hogbog

6 years ago


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Post #593 The new artwork in high-res Posted by pinball_keefer (6 years ago)

Post #2454 Link to livestream of play on one of the first machines off the line Posted by solarvalue (5 years ago)

Post #2464 Picture of first jjPotCs on the line Posted by mountaingamer (5 years ago)

Post #2496 Link to Jack's "shipping" cartwheel for jjPotC. Posted by KingBW (5 years ago)

Post #2561 Comparison of prototype and final under playfields Posted by Join_The_Cirqus (5 years ago)


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#2899 5 years ago

I've seen this game and played it at IAAPA and Amusement Expo. I think this game is a mis-step for JJ. Couple reasons why...

1) They pride themselves with Hobbit and WOZ using a lot of clips from the movies. With that being said they should have picked a different them, because this game has almost NO CLIPS from the movie. So if you expect to see Depp as Captain Jack you'll be disappointed. I think this game would have been incredible had they had access to those film clips. So why pick this theme a fading series and no access to the clips as you had with WOZ and Hobbit.

2) No game should take 2 years to develop? NO GAME! Jersey Jack has been out of sight and out of mind due to the time they took to make the game. Stern for what their games are worth released what 856 new games since Dialed In. LOL

3) The spinning disk in the center... personally this was another missed opportunity but not because they removed that prop but because it shouldn't be there in the first place. It has nothing to do with the movies. So they promote this then take it away probably because it was going to break but still upset people. Here is what they SHOULD HAVE DONE... create the biggest lower playfield ever on a pinball machine. WHY? DUH... Pirates is a water theme and alot of the films took place UNDER WATER. So the lower playfield could have been UNDER THE OCEAN! Missed opportunity big league.
The spinning disk is dumb... a big giant lower playfield would have been award winner.

SUGGESTIONS FOR JERSEY JACK GOING FOWARD:

1) Stop thinking you need to create some sort of masterpiece with every game for several reasons... for one if you don't hit a homerun you get hammered even more. Secondly you need to produce more games. Why not a non-wide body theme to build up your catalog at least 1 or 2 games a year. And then produce 1 SUPER HIGH END collector game every 1.5 years. This might be better for your company.

2) No reason JJ can't produce a game that is between Stern and what they typically do... they can jump into the ROCK THEMED pinballs and produce a couple games a year. They should create two different kind of lines to keep their company out in front of people more than once every two years.

3) Don't promote a game for two years without ever releasing it. I like the fact that JJ let people know what they're working on ... so now you're working on Toy Story great. Tell people sure thing... but do it about 3 to 6 months out from production not almost two years.

THEMES JERSEY JACK SHOULD CONSIDER:

Cheaper (Stern Style)

Music themes just as Ozzy - Beastie Boys - whatever cheaper games in the 5 to 6k range.

Quicker Themes Smaller Games: You're working with Disney a great theme would be Disney's Haunted Mansion. Stern is coming out with Munsters fight fire with fire... but make the game cool but cheaper. Universal Studios Monsters would make a great theme, some of the titles you have now that are down the line just do cheaper versions. Stuff you can't really see as an up to 2 year development game switch to a cheaper version and produce more games.

BIG THEMES: Jurassic Park would be up your alley... Fast and Furious, Dark Knight (Series), Harry Potter, Jaws would be bad ass, ... the list goes on. Save the coolest movie franchises for your all out mode and start making other themes with a faster process.

Larry

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#2924 5 years ago

To the tough computer talking clowns who responded in a negative light let me just say this... everyone is allowed to have an opinion and I'll share mine and be swayed but losers who responded back. You guys can all talk tough on a computer but you'd never talk so tough in person. Its one thing to disagree and another to act like a total two year old. I shared my opinion and you know what I think what I said was dead on the money. Most of the people i see crying like babies about this title... they say they don't like the theme, upset about the spinning disk being marketed as a three turn not its not, they took to long to get this done, afraid to buy one because it might break, the list goes on. These are facts this is what most of the people talking about THIS GAME have said. I pointed out some important mistakes made here and if some of you people are too damn dumb to admit that is your problem. That is probably why you work at McDonalds and I own my own company.

To Yellowbird, you guys make really cool mods great job. However I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I think I was clear when I said make games that are between what you're doing NOW and what STERN is doing. I realize you like Jersey Jack and so do I but this is a company that almost went out of business. Can you really have your cake and eat it to? This company will NOT stay in business unless it become profitable and that can only happen if they produce MORE GAMES! You can't take TWO years to develop one game while in that same period Stern puts out 5 or 6 games.

So if you really like JJ they need to streamline a process ... they need to simplify the process. Let me be clear I like Jersey Jack I'm a big fan but I like the movie clips that is one of the things that really make them stand out. So why do this theme when you can't use ANYTHING basically? This series is at the end of the rope didn't make a lot of sense especially not when it takes two years to ship anything.

These are my points so maybe you might agree more with my point now that I've explained it better.

I do think the spinning wheel isn't reflected in the movies and I stand by that... I never saw anything in the movie with spinning disks. That just isn't in the movie anywhere. I think the idea here was a combination of the compass and the idea its a map. That's all I can come up with. Either way maps and Pirates with treasure yeah makes sense but I think a big massive underwater playfield would have been a lot better.

With ALL THAT being said ... this game will probably end up being their lowest selling game. I think I only read 400 times between here and facebook that the ship has sailed for them and this game. No one can argue it took way to long to get this out, and if they stay at this pace they simply won't be in business much longer. That can't be disputed.

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#2931 5 years ago

Yelobird,

Let me be super clear to you... I stated an opinion about this new game. If you can't read or refuse to read what most people across the web and especially on facebook is saying, its mostly the same comments.

People are saying they're not buying the game that is more or less what most people have said. I was pointing out my reasons why I think this game has so many people upset about it. So take your own advice and respect other peoples opinions.

When someone says to ME for stating my opinion "FUCK YOU" then I'll state back ANYTHING I WANT! Yeah that guy is a MORON... so maybe when you see it from that point of view maybe you'll retract that comment you made.

As for cutting JJ some slack yeah I'll cut them slack because I like collector type games... I personally own Hobbit, WOZ and DI. Do I think JJ does a better job at creating magical games over and above Stern. YEP!

So is that cutting them some slack. Look there is no disputing facts here... this company almost went out of business. That is fact.

If a company doesn't make new product they won't stay around long. When people make comments like they're afraid to buy the game because they fear it will break... well that goes back to all the WOZ issues. I like JJ the most of any of the companies but I stand by my comments and I will bullet point them again for you so maybe you can try and find a reason why its unresonable to have such an opinion.

1) You can't take nearly 2 years to develop a game, while taking down payments and delay delay delay. This upset people and if you're only going to get a new machine out every couple of years I stand by what I said you won't stay in business.

2) MOVIE CLIPS: Is it really unreasonable to say that WOZ and HOBBIT had big TV's and tons of movie clips something no other pinball game had done before? So then you pick your next theme and find out you can't use clips from the movie you can't feature Captain Jack... so why would you do that theme? Pirate series has gone down down down... the 4th movie did 241 million and the 5th movie bombed at 172 million. I think that shows this series was pretty much done. Lets not forget that Pirates would have been another MOVIE CLIP home run like Hobbit but why go down that road when you can't use the clips? There are so many other themes. Lastly this title has already been done by Stern... sure the JJ game is better but that has nothing to do with it. Another title like Willy Wonka would have been a better choice. NO MATTER its an opinion so why does someone say FUCK YOU because I state an opinion?

3) Making Games Faster: I stated an opinion which you disagreed with... but let me tell you when they make a car they build one with everything including the kitchen sink. Then when you see what they actually sell its much different because of COST! At some point JJ has to figure out here what can and can't be done... this three disk spinner was probably a big problem. Cool idea but ads basically nothing to the game so why spend several more months trying to figure it out? I merely stated an underwater playfield would have been better but someone says "FUCK YOU". As to you let me say... that I think I'm right in saying that in the long run JJ has to figure out a medium between Stern and what they have done to speed up the process.

The bottom line they need to make money and they make money by producing games. They now have a lot of competition between Spooky, Stern and American Pinball's Houdini was a home run game. I think everyone love Houdini and its a perfect example how you can do something better than STERN but not as good as WOZ. Houdini is $6800 bucks and Pirates is 10,000 dollars... both games are really detailed both games are better than anything Stern puts out as far as detail. Again my point was HAPPY MEDIUM between Stern and taking two years... but that deserved a FUCK YOU from someone.

4) Spinning Disk: I've seen all the movies and you're talking about a map they used in one of the five films. I think you missed my point again... that map wasn't spinning around in circles like it was at a race track. The idea that you have this spinning disk that is racing around you know that is going to break doesn't help the game. But I think my first point on this was that they advertised this feature, took deposits then took it out of the game leaving people upset. This is a fact!

I was saying I think it would have been better to just have a lower playfield and feature some of the underwater stuff... that is my opinion and you can respect that. Even one person said yeah that is a great idea... because it is a great idea. Its just an idea and opinion no one needs to come back and say FUCK YOU!

Let me ask you would you rather have had a big giant underwater playfield or as it turns out one spinning section of the playfield.

Bottom line is I think the game is detailed but overall they waited so long to produce the games that many people moved on from it...

I just hope the next JJ title is released quicker and they stay with the concept of big screens with clips from the movies.

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