Quoted from iceman44:I'm sure its gonna still be a great game, no doubt about it, and I'll keep my preorder for now BUT I can't see dropping $12,500 on a CE after this.
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Disappointing news to hear especially at the price but i hope the game will be more durable and play better like they said with the new changes.
Drats!!!! Not what I was expecting, but will wait for a bit before bailing...really wanted that disc, as I'm sure Eric did.....
Quoted from bigd1979:Totally different way they work.... balls come in from underneath from a fork diverter which also raised the lid at same time. There were alot of rejects bc of the lid...so. now it just stays open so it works 100 percent.
What does that matter to the customer when the end result is a mech that opens and closes versus one that does not? Especially when it’s priced significantly higher?
Toronto, ON
Quoted from Sinestro:What does that matter to the customer when the end result is a mech that opens and closes versus one that does not? Especially when it’s priced significantly higher?
Yeah, they really need to either lower the price or add something to make up for all these downgrades.
Remove the features as suggested now and drop the price $500. Fix the engineering for the mechs and re-release the game as the black pearl package next year for $9500 and sell the upgrades as a kit for $1000 to original owners. Don’t give up on the masterpiece this game could be, and keep a viable product to sell now. Win - Win.
St Louis, MO
Quoted from tacshose:Very disappointing and why I never pre order. JJP fucked up, just putting out this video with no replacement mechs, price drops, etc is dumb.
Good news is all deposits are refundable...
Sesto Calende
Hoping some how this is simply a delayed April fools joke or that Eric is just a funny guy at heart. Plan to verify that I can and most likely will pull my CE order with this news. CGC your up! Unless of coarse your going to reveal Monster Bash with muppets instead of monsters at production. This is just plain crap news. I do feel for Eric, Joe, and Keith because they have Clearly put their lives into this game but this is just an epic fail. Trunk sure, but the spinning map converted to Dominos pizza art is just no go for 12.5! The game at 257 played great and the randomness of the spinning disks even while not Programmed was just plain cool! Please say this is just a joke!!! Change the start of your video from Arrrrhhhgg to Umphhhhhh!
Bummer - played about 50 games on the prototype and really came to like the looks and functions of the 3 disks. This new disk is brutal looking and is smack in the middle - not like it's in a back corner where not as noticeable.
Huge regroup for me now from yesterday where I was planning to sell my Stern POTC to help fund either a DILE or JJPPOTC. Today I played Iron Maiden and really was wowed by the game and thought chit - now I have 3 choices. After these unfortunate changes with no corresponding price drop I am keeping my Stern POTC and down to getting DILE or Iron Maiden - Pro or Prem. Man what a whirlwind in 12 hours.
I really like Eric and his enthusiasm and feel just terrible for him. However a lot of people put down $ or were holding off buying something else based on how JJ POTC turned out/finally is released and the reality is there is a lot of competition now which is good for us but not good for the manufacture charging the highest prices to make these change outs so late in the game and just pass it off the game will work better. I am sure it will. But the premium price justification went out the door - for me at least. Darn it - sad for everyone all around.
Have I moved into a parallel universe?
Stern adds features back into it's Pro - metal rails etc.
JJP starts removing mechs from their game!
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Have I moved into a parallel universe?
Stern adds features back into it's Pro - metal rails etc.
JJP starts removing mechs from their game!
Yep, welcome to the Twilight Zone. If they removed the CLOCK!
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Meanwhile it looks like Eddy is going to crush all that stand in his way......
Just with they wld show the premium so i can order lol
Quoted from bigd1979:Just with they wld show the premium so i can order lol
Maybe they are stripping all the Premier features off of it before the unveil! lol
Quoted from Yelobird:Maybe they are stripping all the Premier features off of it before the unveil! lol
Lol... i hope not sterns are allready relativity stripped compared to my current b/w and jjp pins .
Quoted from Yelobird:Hoping some how this is simply a delayed April fools joke or that Eric is just a funny guy at heart. Plan to verify that I can and most likely will pull my CE order with this news. CGC your up! Unless of coarse your going to reveal Monster Bash with muppets instead of monsters at production. This is just plain crap news. I do feel for Eric, Joe, and Keith because they have Clearly put their lives into this game but this is just an epic fail. Trunk sure, but the spinning map converted to Dominos pizza art is just no go for 12.5! The game at 257 played great and the randomness of the spinning disks even while not Programmed was just plain cool! Please say this is just a joke!!! Change the start of your video from Arrrrhhhgg to Umphhhhhh!
Pizzagate.
Eric was really proud of that mech so hard to believe he made this decision. More likely the bean counters.
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Here's the new spinning disk. There's no lights on it. The original spinning 3x spinning disk looked amazing. This new one instead looks pretty ugly, the decal on it doesn't go with the rest of the game in my opinion. Bummer
That looks like shit and makes NO sense 
Just throwing this out there because I don’t know if it would work but. What about magnets driving the the disks and only having two spinning disks. I am thinking something along the lines of the maglev train. Disks would still only spin one way and would not need a huge driver to operate this.
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Really hope they keep the tripple spinning discs and the opening/closing lid, this is a huge step backwards!
On the lid why not put a clear stationary lid on top of the chest so the opening/closing does not interfere with the ball. Personally I love things moving and interacting while playing and hate to see these things removed. All my pinball friends have been talking about the 3 spinning discs since this was shown first time and love them. Please don’t take away these toys it has to be possible to redesign and make them work. If they add something cool instead I will be fine wit that but at this point I doubt it.
Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:I’m out...again...still trying to get my first nib
1. Hobbit due to massive delays
2. Alien due to a boy and his boat
3. Pirates due to missing Q1 shipping & now this
Looks like I’ll be ripping open that Maiden pro box...spike and all
Have you played Batman 66 or Houdini?...Pretty solid games
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Have I moved into a parallel universe?
Stern adds features back into it's Pro - metal rails etc.
JJP starts removing mechs from their game!
I'm not pleased at the moment as I've paid in full for the LE. I locked in the $9500 USD to CDN back in January. From a currency conversion perspective that was a good thing.
I would like to wait and see what happens. There certainly should be some type of concession price-wise if the changes result in getting less than expected.
Good to hear that the physical call lock remains and I can live without the lid movement I guess.
I can't see the disc well enough but that is a big loss and we lose the lighted inserts. Let's see what happens...
Quoted from DCFAN:As a replacement for removed mechs I would suggest making the right ramp have a diverter to go back to the right flipper some of the time instead of always going to the rocking upper playfield.
I haven't had the opportunity to play the game yet but this was always my concern and seems like it could have been an easy tweak and really speed the game up. Too bad it didn't make the revision list.
Quoted from dnaman:I'm not pleased at the moment as I've paid in full for the LE. I locked in the $9500 USD to CDN back in January. From a currency conversion perspective that was a good thing.
I would like to wait and see what happens. There certainly should be some type of concession price-wise if the changes result in getting less than expected.
Good to hear that the physical call lock remains and I can live without the lid movement I guess.
I can't see the disc well enough but that is a big loss and we lose the lighted inserts. Let's see what happens...
Both threads are heating up... A lot of unhappy Pinheads
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-is-second-guessing-their-jjp-potc-preorder
The triple disk was definitely a premium feature that JJP hyped up big time for this game, and I thought was super cool. A big, disappointing loss. Releasing an unreliable mech that always broke down would have been a bigger mistake, though. The chest, while cool, isn't as big of a deal in my opinion.
Terrible for JJP's reputation. They better do something, and soon, to compensate, like drop the price of the machine.
I also hope this incident makes them reconsider how they announce games in future.
Big JJP fan (own WOZ and DILE), so I wish them the best, but this is a pretty bad blunder.
Quoted from RandomGuyOffCL:Ok. Well you got me on the fine print legal speak I guess...but you have to admit that no one was expecting major mechs to be revised to the point where one (the trunk) is now going to look broken stuck open.
I mean we have 2 games now with opening and closing trunks that cost far less.
It actually said it in big bold font on their site and promotional literature. Those chests are a different design. Cost saving would be negligible on that. There's no reason to change it except reliability / making the game better ... and from everything I've seen and played, rejected shots were a continuing problem.
I agree with all the statements. It's not like they changed the way a plastic looks. It's not like they went with black rubbers instead of white. This change is massive. Not sure what else to say. 
The pin definitely had some serious innovation going for it and I can see that they obviously didn’t anticipate all the potential problems.
The problem is that after waiting quite some time for production to begin, and many people with deposits in, I feel that presenting major changes like this is understandably disappointing.
Yes, I know, pinball production is hard, but this is a premium toy with a premium price, so pulling the plug on these features after sitting on peoples money is a step backwards for JJP.
Let’s be realistic, most people are not going to see their machine for six months to a year from now, so at this point it’s fair for people to be somewhat pissed off.
Helsinki
No actor video, no movie music, two interactive toys scraped and the playfield looks now like it comes with a small pizza.
Are there any toys left than the rocking mini-PF? They should atleast come up with some cool replacements soon and not just
take away cool mechs.
The way this is being received, it's really making me wonder if this is gonna be the downfall of JJP. All over a spinning disk toy and a trunk with an opening lid. But i guess in the world of pinball, those can be the things that make or break you. There's gotta be at least 10-15 people in this thread that appear to be cancelling now. I guess it's better they nipped the problem in the bud now instead of having hundreds of games with faulty mechs to deal with.
Amazing to me that it took so long to figure out these features are not going to work. Pretty poor to show off a game so early, collect money on orders, then make major changes to the game especially with the super premium prices. Shouldn't the price change now that the game features changed?
Agima2000 made this post on FlipperMarkt. German first - translated underneath. Sounds legit.
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Die Scheiben an sich würden ja funktionieren.
Das Hauptproblem war jedoch die Übertragung von einem mini Zahnrad auf die Scheiben.
Jedes blockieren und durchdrehen führ dort unweigerlich zum zerstören des Zahnkranzes und damit war es das mit drehen.
Das hätte man von Grund auf mit Zahnriemen konstruieren müssen, etwas aufwendiger, dafür haltbarer.
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The discs themselves would work.
The main problem, however, was the transmission of a mini gear to the discs.
Each block and spin inevitably lead to the destruction of the sprocket and that's what it was all about.
That would have had to be constructed from the ground up with toothed belts, something more elaborate, but more durable.
That updated single disc art looks terrible dead center of your new machine. After dashing the dreams of those of us who put faith in the design day 1 by purchasing or putting money down on it and with all the delays and changes in production, compensations must be considered Jack. You take that much out of the pin and line your pocket with more with each machine sold, that's not right.
Quoted from rubberducks:It actually said it in big bold font on their site and promotional literature. Those chests are a different design. Cost saving would be negligible on that. There's no reason to change it except reliability / making the game better ... and from everything I've seen and played, rejected shots were a continuing problem.
The writing on my Depost check didn’t say Promotional purchase!
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I'm likely passing on POTC now and will probably buy a Dialed In LE instead...so JJP will still get my money, lol.
We love our Dialed In. Get a Dialed In now, wait on POTC
Moving triple disc to that = out for me....a sad day, and another CE spot for someone......really, really wanted this pin.....mark
Quoted from MK6PIN:Moving triple disc to that = out for me....a sad day, and another CE spot for someone......really, really wanted this pin.....mark
Completely agreed. CGC your up! By the time their done the game will have 2 flippers and a tub toy for a ship.
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