How did you score a imdnle this late?

The value may not be in the price you pay.

Exactly, that's the point Sky

He did say that around the 9:10 mark but a couple others have mentioned they think it still may be partially obscured.

Wait and see i guess and yes it would be nice to see the actual replacement art.
Hopefully it will be significantly better!

Oh, I just called some distros and got lucky. But note to self, don’t post that here...

Per Eric yesterday when I pulled up with him regarding the single vs the triple disc and asking if it the original had sensors for the awards

"It's functional the same as far as that goes. The awards were random in software anyways. Shown on screen now."

I preordered right after playing it at the Chicago Expo through flipnout1 , and I am still in. I don’t have any JJP games yet in my collection, and I still can’t wait for my JJPOTCLE despite the rings being turned into the typical single disc mech. I am kinda in the collector mode of thinking this is Eric’s first game, so why not (after telling Jack that I can’t believe he redid a theme) . Yeah it has 2 less features to it , but if the designer says it is more reliable and he is good with it, I am still in. Keith and Joe are amazing on the software side too, so I know it is going to be a fun game in the lineup! Actually whomever wants to be invited to the Tortuga party in the Louisville area , let me know.

Lastly, it is pirates. Arghhhh!!!!!!!

Haven’t played Potc so have no opinion on it yet. But as a former WWE owner I understand concern about the possible overuse of a gimmick upper playfield like that.

atleast that makes refund issues a little easier it is misleading.

PotC standard is going to have way more than Maiden LE though, and certainly BoM will be way, way higher ... and it's cheaper to buy.

Anyway, slightly off topic, but it's kind of a shame that DI or an original game like it didn't come sooner. Without it, TNA might not have happened, and Stern certainly wouldn't be doing an original Ritchie theme.

Given the license restrictions that have become apparent (including Zimmer probably road-blocking the music when Disney were fine with it), I wonder if JJP wish they'd done an original pirate theme.

If this started development after the success of DI, my bet is that it would have been.

It would have given them total creative freedom with art, sound and media, and anyone who's not a fan of PotC probably would have preferred it.

I think there is some confusion now. As far as I understand it, the 1.3 sextillion (lol) options are realised because of the random choice of one of the 125 chapters from the 5 movies, in joncuntion with the character you choose to play with.

The disc were there for rewarding extra's and bonusses (216 or 261 dfifferent ones), so that is not influencing the number of different possible games.

So someone correct me if I am wrong but essentially nothing has changed. The chapters are there, the characters are there and also the discs are in the game but changed from physical to digital.

Boy hasn't the Shit hit the fan!. I'm not a fan of disc's but if I have to have one I want it to work. I'm glad they tried to make it work rather than never haved tried. I've watched the stream a couple of times and I think (I'm going to cop it for this) the game is coming along really well. I like the animations the music the sound of the bell makes you feel like you're on a ship. Everytime they do a new stream it gets better and better (except the discs and the trunk) .The idea of the discs will still be there and I am looking forward to plundering balls and score off my mates. We haven't seen how the discs work on the screen yet or video mode. There is still a lot more to come on this packed machine. To people who are going to IMDN because a toy has been downgraded please. To everyone who has cancelled their order I think you are just depriving your self of the most feature packed pin ever made. If anyone can think of a pin with more features please let me know.

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Ok I have been thinking about this for a week now, due to the fact that I still was not able to cancel my CE order, and for me it boils down to this:

The game seems fantastic to me. The looks, the screen, the graphics, the sounds, the possibilities, the game etc. Featurewise it is still very strong, but saying that I also must think about the fact that there were 5 motorised or coiled "moving" toys in the original concept being the upper playfield, three rings and the chest opening and closing.

From those five there are two left, being the upper playfield and the new disc. For me that takes the machine out of the territory that I want to spend 17000 dollar on it (price in Europe), but at the same time if I change my order to an LE I will also miss out on the motorised topper which I think is brilliant.

Ironically the changes on the machine were made to be able to get the machine in production and deliver a more reliable package, but now I am doubting that I want it because of how much it costs and what you get for that kind of money.

I love JJP and this actually breaks my heart, but I am in the position that I need to work for my money and have to make choices where to spend it. I think I will not spend it now on the POTC and that actually makes me sad. First world problems, I know. Maybe if I can play it more somewhere I will change my mind.

Seems weird to pull out due to the amount of motors.

Yes, if you take that as the reason, it sure does. What you fail to see is the changes that makes to the experience AND the fact that we have to gotten to know the machine differently.

The game has changed, period. It's not because of two 5 dollar motors and a 10 dollar coil that I am reconsidering a 17000 dollar toy. If you fail to see that, then I cannot help that.

Mate the ball still ricochets off a disc and a lid doesn't open how has game play changed

Maybe this will be solved when Jack gets back in the Country.

You Aussies and your weird sex hobbies ....

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At least there not sheep balls

Same on me ... I pre-ordered for over 10.000 EURO month ago. Now the price is lowered due to week dollar.
Now they come around with this pizza-looking single disc ...

So I expect from my dealer that he brings the pre-order price also to an actual standart , I expect from JJP that they fix that pizza-look, add magnets and some inserts instead of the discs, that would be okay for me. But 10 K EURO for that ugly beast .... NO !

And thats exactly the problem.
a pinball MACHINE is (has to be) a phsyical gaming device. a spinning virtualized map? no way.

I do not understand why JJP has not simply kept the former design of the disc and adjusted it only to one moving disc. Everyboey was used to this outfit and the backbox spinning could detail simply the spin in the playfield. Thus they could have kept the former hole in the playfield and the dimension if the spinning disc itself.

Like any business it was cheaper to go the other way.

Wish Eric the very best, but just cancelled my order this morning. While the spinning discs was a little bit of a bummer, I'm sure they will make this great. But I cancelled because Iron Maiden is joining my collection. I hope one day I'll have to buy Pirates too.

That is nor what I meant. You can use the former compass look for the one spinning disc as well. Remove the 3 disc mech, but use the disc look from the 3 spinning discs for the one dic.

I was a LE buy (with deposit) and maybe still will but I won't decide until I play final version. Don't like the new look. Don't want to get something that is cobbled together last minute that could have a major impact on ball flow/looks. I get a pinball machine for the mechanical interaction. If I want a video mech I will play my PS4 on a 130" screen. Getting the CE topper would likely make up for the lost of the 3 ring mech. But I want to test the gameplay of the new disc and how it looks in the game.

It still has a physical spinning map. You should watch the latest stream

I saw a post from Back Alley on the sails but based on the pic I could not see room to put the sails on the rocking ship without a ship redesign (which is the last possible thing JJP should do). There is room on the British Ship that is shot at but it did not look should like it would go there.

Could the sails be for the topper?

I am hearing from my dist that there is still a chance for JJP to change course on this decision.

So guys that are abandoning ship (pun intended) may regret it of they pull a 180. OTOH, guys abandoning ship are probably the real motivator for them to reverse course. In a sense it’s the official vote.

It would seem there have been a ton of cancellations which may force JJP to change track again.

Things haven't been helped by Maiden being such a hit.

All JJP need is for MBR to be announced next week.

Yep, vote with your cash.

If you are not happy with the downgrading of the spinner and chest = cancel .

If enough people cancel, they will have to give us what we paid for.

Maiden is also way cheaper

And has no toys

I'm hoping you're right, this decision doesn't just hurt this tables sales, it hurts my faith in the company at large.

IMDN LE is nearly as expensive, and will have more toys, although pinball is a little more than toys...see TNA

I think maidien is very good for what it is but in no way is comparable to potc. 2 total different levels of pinball but for maidens price point its a step up for stern especially the premium from the sounds of it.

Jack must be back in the Country.....

True but the difference is that JJP’S model has focused around toys while Stern hasn’t.

Yeah, could very well be. Jack really does care about his customers so I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one to say lets try and get the 3x spinning disk to work or be onboard for another solution.

I was guessing and it was only a guess that he might have been somewhere in Asia looking for somebody that could make his disc thing work.

Jack does care. He will be first to tell you he didn't get into pinball thinking he would get rich. He just wanted to make top notch, unique, hard games and bring pinball into the 21st century. And FYI, he's still not getting rich, lives in a mansion or drives a Ferrari or Tesla.

Why would they regret it, they can just buy back in if JJP changes course

He was in England talking to JK Rowling about you know who....( A man can dream).

one thing i really cant understand,how the hell did they think that spinning disc art was gonna be accepted? it does not match the entire playfield in anyway and i think this added to the rejection of it also. no offense but who approved this art ? please go get an eye exam.

Art in the stream was not final. It was printed and mylared for demo purposes only. Not saying it was the best strategy but thats what they had. If people keep cancelling JJP might have to change course

So we are back in the denial stage?

Didn’t expect this regression but I’ll go with it.

i know its not final but it was a very bad decision. doesnt take long to make a piece of art to fit that spec. something other than “pizza” i am not an artist, but i would have gave that a thumbs down if i was in charge.

JK Rowling-

" I'll consider it now, but first how are the sales and how has the reception been for your latest pinball game?"