Well your the one he told me about then. He said at least 3 guys from Ohio called him when I talked to him. He thought we all knew each other. Lol. But the other guy was from dayton so I'd assume he's the other Ohio guy.

That’s was so pretty!

Did you order one?

Yes I made a big long rant post on one of these threads.

As of now my LE is still on. But I called and and confirmed I can cancel at anytime. Which I most likely will unless jjp changes something.

I am just enjoying the fact that I have read every post in this thread. The only other one this long that I read almost every one was Vids Awesome Guides Collected!

They don’t make games that aren’t sold.

It’s not 1997.

Thats not true.
You want a Hobbitt?
How about one of each model, NIB?

I think WOZ, TH and Dialed In are all still going through cycles on the production line. I just ordered a Dialed In LE tonight and my distributor said he's able to get me a game coming off the line tomorrow.

So, speed up Toy Story to the line sooner than maybe we expected then?

At a “clearance price?” Sure bro. Hook me up.

Honestly nobody here has any idea what they are talking about.

I wouldn't expect a Toy Story reveal until at least next years Texas Pinball Festival. There's no point revealing at Expo in the fall, well one of them or whatever is going on with that show, with Pirates likely just starting to ship a few months beforehand.

I prefer reveals when the game is ready to ship.

Waaaaaaaat!
I gotsa idier!

Word!

That didn't stop all the upset people over on the CGC next game thread.

Darned if you do. Darned if you don't.

LTG : (

CGC is doing it right. Make it right and let her go, the money will follow. Now we just need to figure out how to squeeze the title out of you! lol No Mug for You!

Well, I do need an AC/DC Luci Vault Edition. : )

LTG : )

I think this is a bit of a cock-up for JJP but hardly the end of the world. The thing I’m amazed is that they didn’t get the solution as perfect as they needed to do so that it was clear what was going to be in its place. I do think those that want out of the game should be allowed to get their money back as it is a significant change - got this flyer for the game yesterday in a parts order... so I can see why people are upset- suspect JJP have made their mind up though.

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The fact is in the UK that jjp are doing exactly that. They are heavily discounting NB Hobbits right now. Significant discount and heavy push to get them shipped quick. If you need someone to hook you up with a discounted JJP stretching to what amounts to nearly a couple of thousand US dollars vs NB price, then UK distributor is your man.

This is true, they are heavily discounted in the UK atm, but that probably doesn't even bring it down to what people in the US can get them for anyway ( we get screwed THAT MUCH! )

Don't get me wrong, I think JJP really screwed up with discgate, but at the bottom of the flyer you got it says "*Specifications and Features Subject to Change".

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And so are people's minds.

Yup, they tried and the game is still packed with a lot of cool stuff. I may consider buying one a year from now after seeing how the code develops and what fixes are implemented (if any) to early production games.

It will be interesting to see where HUO prices are a year after delivery.

I recently picked up an HUO Smaug (No Radcals) for $6,200 and I would be surprised if JJPOTC drops that much.

That's a heck of an amazing deal on a Hobbit. I don't see Pirates dropping to that price as the layout seems more appealing to a greater number of buyers. I like the Hobbits layout but can see why some buyers would prefer the layout of Pirates.

Also, Hobbit sadly still doesn't have its final wizard mode and some final polish which I believe has negatively impacted the games resale value. Prices have recently been going up a bit. JJP keeps saying that the code updates are coming, Ted Estes on the JJP Google Group recently said he's been working on Hobbit code. However, POTC will likely have it's code further along upon release versus where Hobbit is today which as a Hobbit owner is frustrating to see.

Word up

I guess there's still time to "tweak" it some more.

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This seems pretty reliable.

EDIT: Come on guys, take a joke. I'm sure they'll keep the LCD in the backbox.

Only an idiot would pre-order a Jpop project!

For a second I thought that was Sterns Pirates.

so, for those who pre-ordered, did you get any sort of notification about the change or was the way you found out about it thru pinside?

Just curious if someone not on pinside maybe saw this at a show like TPF and made an order, and doesnt know about the change. what kind of shock that will be upon delivery.

Nope, no notification. All Pinside.

Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone not on Pinside would know about it. They're still handing out flyers with the 3 disc mech.

wow, poor saps

Yes. My dealer (Hemisphere) sent an email notification..

Nice. All distributors are different though. Some may be waiting for the dust to clear a bit before notifying customers. It did seem like it was still kind of up in air until the last JJP stream.

No it didn't. That was a complete invention of Pinside.

^
That's true.

No notification, Pinside it was.
But, Joe at PinballStar was nothing short of fantastic and I am determined to finalize all possible future purchases with him. He was fast, understanding and 100% professional. Both when I locked in the POTCCE and when I sadly had to cancel. Nothing but praise for Joe. I do not believe it was his to contact me and point out that now may be the time to rethink my JJP purchase. That should have been initialized by JJP which they did via their YouTube videos, in my opinion. No harm, absolutely NO foul here.

I second the professional follow through with Joe. Canceled the CE without haste and refunded quickly. Future business for sure.

At this point JJP doesn't know who the end customers are, so it's on the distributors to notify their buyers. JJP puts out a general announcement and informs distributors. From there, distributors make the notifications, because the have all the customer contact info and the direct relationship.

When I had to deal with my Stern playfield replacement, it was all through my distributor as well. Most announcements pre-release SHOULD come through your distributor. When you preorder a video game from Best Buy, any updates to the price, shipping date, or feature changes come from Best Buy, not Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't have your order info, Best Buy does. Same thing here with JJP and distributors.

I'm disappointed in the changes like everyone else, but I'm sticking with my LE. I've played about 30 games on JJPPOTC in a home environment where I could take it all in, and there's a lot there I love. I think people should play the game and then decide if it's for them or not.

- Lots of satisfying shots, the loop from the upper left flipper is perfect
- Flow that doesn't feel like a widebody
- Diverters everywhere
- The mini playfield is really fun, with great rules and the cannon shooting the ship
- The chest is still a physical ball lock with a ramp that comes up or it can be an inner loop shot
- Two magnets
- Great code
- Mini screen that points to the best shot available

I think the process was very poorly handled by JJP. They sold the discs hard for 8 months, right up until the time they did a 180 on it. Then, they tried to spin it as a tweak. That makes people angry. I get that. I get that pins are emotional purchases, but Pinside generally seems to trend on the extreme side of emotions. Take a breath, play the game, and then decide if it's for you or not.

I hope to play the most current version at Pinfest, if there will be one there in its "final" configuration. As much as I am disappointed with the changes, I'm still interested in the game and would consider getting one in a year or two.

I'm not in on any preorder for full disclosure.

except on the ramp up to the moving ship, which is where they need one

I feel like once people get over the personal hurt and affront they are feeling and actually play the game, the tide will turn back a bit and many will be back in.

Happens every time.

Agreed. That would be nice.

Absolutely, a lot of people will jump back on board. The problem I have is that although it's still a great game, it's hard to argue that this final version isn't somewhat of a downgrade and I just don't think I'd be able to be completely okay with that.

Joe is the best. I haven’t officially canceled my CE yet with him because I’m waiting to see what CGC is gonna do or just roll those funds over to ACNC

Yeah I think what’s different this time is at basically $10k shipped there isn’t much room for error on the LE. The CE is gonna is a whole different story

Maybe, I guess we'll see.

I think JJP has hit the ceiling with pricing and at 10K (including shipping) folks will not accept what they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as a compromised machine.

What’s the basic model, $8500?