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I watched the same excitement over Rush.. i was like.. man I can't get the hype. But its a band, and there's a bunch of old dudes reliving their teenage years, trying to reunite on Facebook with that high school sweetheart. So I was like Rush isn't for me, but JJP on the other hand has... wait for it.. Toy Story. OMFnG. And someone said "major dream theme". Cmon peeps, pull your sh together and man up.

Speak for yourself.. I pretty sure a couple of us are cool..

Had to be said.. but good thing is we have pinside to hang out together instead of getting out and meeting that special someone..

I went halfsies with my youngest son for his first car.. unfortunately kinda fits my earlier narrative. ITs not actually mine I swear.. lol

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OMG.. please take my $12k for a Woody.. The whining has already started about not getting to buy your $15k CE. IT'S TOY STORY PEOPLE!

Sure do.. and did. Can you seriously compare Toy Story to either? JJP fanboy? Dumped DI due to theme? Interesting. Arguably the best JJP with the fewest playfield issues.

Hype train.. TS - greatest pinball game EVER. Dont get me wrong.. new games are cool and boost the excitement in the pinball community, but its SO over the top..

GZ and STh.. I have em. I'll give you props on those, the rest are all you. I guess my DP isn't good enough for you either.. Maybe Lawlor should have saved the DI layout for your TS.

The playfield issue denial and short term memory... just in time for a new release. Pinball has been long considered gambling, makes sense now actually.

Its all good. Your money... not mine.

Curious why you need washers to protect a playfield? Kinda seems a little counterintuitive for $11-15k.

Really.. crack pipe? Nice insult. People aren't allowed to disagree with you much i bet.

Alright.. you win. But to the disappointment of the masses.. smokinHOs has nothing to due with smoking anything. And despite busting balls about yet another interesting choice of theme, I do hope its more than art and lights and is a fun shooter. I am somewhat shocked on how excited peeps are about TS. But not much should surprise anyone on the pinball hobby anymore.

Coming full circle. I hope you know I'm just messing with you. You have a great group of games. I always appreciate these reveals. Hard not to respect the work that goes into them. Good luck snagging one. Should be interesting tomorrow.

Couldn't agree more. I enjoyed the original movies with my boys, but I don't know sh about TS4. So I wasn't interested really. I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised with the 30 minute video with Pat. The problem for me is, I just bought DP premium AND have GZ premium on the way. Both UNDER 10k shipped to my door. The $12-13k price point is absolutely brutal. Match Stern's current pricing or at least get close and.. well.. it could be a cool addition to a collection.

Actually.. as Stern catches up on production, their sub $10k pins will outsell $13k TS4 for a while. Bad timing for JJP especially if Bond is good and pricepoint stays put at Stern.

Allotted vs sold out.. very distinct difference. Unavailable for sale from JJP. Check distributors.

So.. let's say you're not an early adopter. Im not, the theme IS a letdown (TS4 vs TS 1-3), but the game still looks fun. Where will the resale for the LE end up? Msrp? 12k? Less? Is this the pinball community saying too much? There was no way JJP could have sold this for $11k to match Wonka or GnR, or should they have?

Without question, this pin IS the most polarizing pin realease I can remember in a while. That simple fact is difficult to ignore. I can't imagine everyone who hates it already will truly hate it, and I'm sure the some early adopters will not be as totally on board as they are now. But with SO much divide, this is clearly not the release JJP was hoping for. Whether or not the pin is good, bad, or whatever will be decided in 6 months not the first 6 days..

Seemed a little underwhelming.. neat light show I guess.

I'll agree it's a pretty cool game. Your iOS device is still not functioning as designed - to us morons " the iPad isn't working" still on the one we played. Issue is it will only last in larger collections or beginner/family homes. We didn't bother playing it again this weekend, and instead opted for Alien, Rush, JP pro, and R&M. Even played some Aerosmith pro since it was new in rotation. There's a gentleman that posted he's very happy and that's great, but noticed out of 11 pinball games he currently owns, I think he has every JJP. Not sure what that says, but perhaps a big fan of JJP. Rest assured, these, like GnR will be readily available for a long time. They just seriously missed the price point.. I dont have room for a pretty cool game at 12-15k.. I need awesome.

Just wanted to say congrats to pinside for trying to force-feed me TS4 with at least 12 different threads now, NOT including for sale threads. Last I checked its still a flop.. can't will this one into the top 10.

Or fix them so they actually work?

I'm not going to argue that people like Wonka, but we didn't see it as a top 10. With Wonka at #22 currently, there's 21 games to choose 10 over Wonka. Personally I can pick 10 of those over Wonka pretty easily. Not taking anything away from that pin, but never going to crack the top 10. As I said before the ratings settle in over time. Top 25 is still strong. TS4 is #108 right now? Its trending toward being the worst of all JJP games according to Pinside.

Everyone has different opinions and #1 to them. Ours is STh premium and it's #17. The ratings are a group think. You are entitled to rate any game as high or low as you want. You get a vote like everyone else. Wonka is #22, GZ is #1, TS4 is #108. Even if you don't agree with the ratings structure it's still a comparison of all the pins by this community that is rating them.

I struggle to understand the concept of "attempting to make games for everyone" with a $12k pinball game that is obviously not going to end up in a casual players home and the ROI is longer compared to so many popular, much cheaper sterns that hold up better in routed environments.

Well hopefully Stern and others don't follow JJPs pricing strategy. Not that pins are cheap, but with prices into the 5 digits i wonder how much more home buyers will tolerate.

My wife put up 3.5m the first time she played it. She's ranked somewhere around 7 million globally..

Shes definitely natural.. and not a great pinball player.. hence the "sarcasm" about being ranked 7 million globally. This isn't fun when i have to explain it. Anyway.. back to TS4 is outstanding!