I'm pretty new here but I've been collecting pinball machines off and on for a long time. Other than the prices and people buying just to flip for profit I LOVE where pinball is at right now and how many companies are making tables. FREAKING LOVE IT. I was so hyped for Toy Story but thought I would throw in my two cents why I'm holding off.

I'm a big theme/story guy, the original Toy Story has so much heart and soul, and like others have said I'm sure there are licensing reasons why this had to be a Toy Story 4 pin, but I've watched all of the videos and to me this feels like a carnival theme with some Toy Story characters thrown in. Imagine if they did a world under glass approach using Andy's bedroom to connect it more to the story of Andy and his toys. I'm sure the carnival thing will be fun, and I know it's part of the 4th movie, but it seems like a waste of the overall theme.

That 10" screen, for me, just takes up too much of the playfield. We already have the giant 27" screen did we really need a 10" screen eating up playfield real estate? That upper left area could have had some really cool interactive toy or challenging shot/mech/etc.

Price....nothing to say that hasn't already been said. $12k starting point seems a little crazy to me, but the market dictates what these companies can charge. I got my Godzilla Premium for $9k and I can't imagine I would get $3k more enjoyment from a TS4 LE.

That's basically it, obviously just my opinions. And of course I will still play this table when I see one, and I hope it proves me totally wrong and I buy one immediately because I love it so much.

I think if there was some kick ass interactive toy in the upper left instead of the giant iPad this game would be getting less hate. Yeah I'm sure it's a fun table, I mean it's Pat Lawlor there are likely tons of awesome things going on. But for me personally the iPad is a gargantuan miss. When I think of Toy Story I think of Toys not iPads. Mike Teavee's TV in Wonka made sense, I have yet to hear a good reason why the 10" tablet is a good thing, even from those who have played it.

And no I'm not a virtual pinball hater. I play my virtual pin as much as I play my physical tables. Just seems like such a waste of playfield in a game based on a movie about TOYS.

Yeah I'm watching the stream too, watching that flipper not even get the ball up the ramp was painful.

was good for a few minutes, not any more

"I'm gonna have to tear apart that flipper mech completely...."
Karl at 10:22pm PST

"This feels like playing a broken routed game...."
Karl at 10:25pm PST

"We're done, can't play it anymore...."
Karl at 10:28pm PST

Damn this is painful to watch. I hope he can sort it out.

That's awesome thanks for the update! Look forward to the stream

You are 100% correct. I texted with him, nice guy but yes the $1000 is on top of the $15k, so you would be paying $16k for the CE.

I texted with him to clarify exactly this. The $1000 is on top of the price of the pin. So the total would be $16k for this TS4 CE

I hope that's not true, Joe cannot be that clueless or shameless. I've played a ton of virtual pinball and it's not even in the same universe of lag as Tiki pinball. I'm one of the crazy people who really like TS4 but there is no excuse for that lag. And if Joe really did say that then hey Joe can you please delete the part of the code that adds the crappy lag? Thanks

Totally agree. I own a virtual table that I run off my gaming PC, the experience is amazing. This is the main reason I was so shocked how bad tiki pinball is. You can get 100x better virtual pinball experience on an iphone.