Quoted from BexAnn:

On JJP's latest post, it kinda looks like toy story art on one of the machines. I mean the head is clearly GnR but once you see buzz, it's hard to unsee it. I don't recognize the side art on the cabinet as a GnR. It honestly could just be wishful thinking, but its fun to hope.
Note: I first noticed to look closer from some comments on Facebook. They saw Buzz and Woody. That left me guessing on the other two, but I was surprised I didn't see anything posted about it here so thought I would share.

Quoted from iceman44:

If you saw the pricing I’m pretty sure people won’t be buying to re-sell

Quoted from Oneangrymo:

so called playfield issue

Quoted from Vino:

JJP has to reassure folks regarding the playfields in some way before releasing the next game - right?!
It just seems ridiculous to continue without making a change of some kind.

Quoted from Minnpin65:

the playfield is without blemish!

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

All of the most recent JJP’s do. Whatever combination of new posts + washers that JJP started installing on GNR’s in June / July of 2021 has worked. That same process appears to have been applied to the last Wonka run. Since then there’s been no widespread reports of playfield issues, have personally heard of none since those changes.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

You know, I mean no disrepair, but Jack is kind of a cocky A-hole. Throwing jabs at stern for handcuffs on designers and code out of the box, yet their shit don’t shine, games have cluster of quality issues and all sorts of shoddy code with GNR. At least sterns get continuous code support.

Quoted from romulusx:

What thread is this?

Quoted from musketd:

Does anyone know if they finally fixed their playfields.

Quoted from toddtuckey:

I am expecting 13K and $17K

Quoted from Miguel351:

If it IS going to be Toy Story, I just hope there's ZERO Randy Newman music in it. I know that's asking a lot, but I don't care how iconic that song is to the movie, I just can't take his voice anymore. I even mute the intro to Monk when i watch the reruns.

Quoted from J85M:

Great to see the excitement around a new pin but has everyone forgotten about all the issues with Marco and the playfields? Or does everyone just not care now?

Quoted from explosiveegg:

My expectation is that JJP will both increase the cost of the CE and the quantity. Something along the lines of $15k a game and 1000 units.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Are there really going to be 2 CE Versions?

Quoted from brmorr:

Keep seeing it will be Toy Story. Anyone think it might be BUZZ like the new movie coming out next month?

Quoted from JayH:

I have $36,000 for two CE's. One to play immediately and one to save for the future.

Quoted from screaminr:

What video ?

Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Hopefully not an epic fail reveal like Dialed in was.

Quoted from delt31:

Dealer just offered me a CE at 25k. No joke.
Wow

Quoted from iceman44:

If the CE is gonna sell out in an hour and we don’t know how many they are making or what the price is maybe JJP should just go ahead and jump it on up to $20k.
No price is too high in this market it appears
Stern needs to go ahead and bump up to at least $14k on LEs and 2,000 units with Elwin

Quoted from Richard-NBA-SF2:

I’ll buy a Toy Story SE if it is as good as predicted.

Quoted from iceman44:

Remember they keep telling us, “Pinside is just a small part of the hobby”
So who knows, maybe $25k is the next stop ?
Elwin LE bound to be at least $17,500 next time

Quoted from TigerLaw:

No SE model for Toy Story? Only two models available? Bummer if so.

Quoted from Gogdog:

What does it even take to reserve a CE with JJP tomorrow at 12 EST? I created an account, added credit card, shipping address, etc...but...is it like a $2k deposit or anybody know?

Quoted from badgerx23:

I somehow did not make the blast list, lame.

Quoted from T-Bone21:

I have been talking with a lot of distributors today trying to find a Toy Story CE as a lot are already sold before JJP even named the theme. JJP is trying to act like Ferrari now as one distributor told me a lot of people keep a permanent down payment with them for whenever JJP announces a new title. Personally, this kind of rubs me the wrong way as I bought JJP's WWCE directly from them and it was not a problem. I do not like this feeling of when a new pinball title gets announced everyone who already has a deposit on order with a distributor gets first dibs right away. I am going to still try and get a Toy Story CE tomorrow, but I just feel this new system of permanently having down payments with a distributor is a little excessive.

Quoted from iceman44:

My GNRCE and WonkaCE pfs have no issues.

Quoted from galore2112:

So JJP didn’t sell out of 1000 $15k CE machines today?!

Quoted from MaxIsDead:

Find one CE in stock at MSRP. I know a few dealers held some trying to get more. But the vast majority were sold in minutes.

Quoted from PinStalker:

Maybe this was JJP's attempt to hurt the flippers?
Make 'em buy, non-refundable..... and stick them with a game no one will end up wanting?
Kinda funny.

Quoted from Faust:

When I read most of the comments on Pinside, it looks like this game is not/will not be a success, but if you look at the sales at JJP it looks like a big hit (instant sell out of CE).
Also here in the EU all allocated spots are sold out, so I think that JJP is spot on with targeting a more non-pinball audience with a big wallet.
Most of these buyers won’t even notice that the sculpts are cake toppers
I think we can all agree that over the last years the hobby has shifted from hardcore technicians/entheusuasts to more wealthy people who bling everything out the max.
So continuing that trend was a wise idea.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Kaneda brought up a good point today "Nothing that divisive is good" and that's what is sadly happening here with Toy Story 4. This is the opposite to the reaction that Godzilla and Guns N Roses received for example.
Two things are causing this divisiveness, the choice to call the game Toy Story 4 along with restricting assets to just the 4th film and a lack of mechanical features as well as molds on a $12k - $15k pinball machine.

Quoted from iceman44:

There seems to be a ton of disappointed people with the game and pricing here on Pinside.
I get it but where are the 1,000 people that bought CEs and several hundred LEs that went delivered the first day?
There must be a whole other world of the pinball hobby outside of this place?
I suppose it’s true that Pinside is just a small part of the hobby.
It’s surprising to me that the CEs all sold through, some at higher than MSRP, and so many LEs have already been delivered.
Tough to argue with what the market is saying right now. Like it or not

Quoted from iceman44:

They are “non refundable deposits” and my Distro says he has a long list of people waiting on dropouts which I had initially considered doing but not now.
I consider “non refundable” as sold out

Quoted from pinghetto:

I feel like this game is going to crush it on location. And the high traffic places can most certainly pay $12k for an LE and still get a decent return on investment.

Quoted from wesman:

So even despite the license not being ideal, is that's what's "saving" this from complete and total bashing?

Quoted from ZMeny:

NEW SDTM: Toy Story 4 Pinball First Impressions

Quoted from iceman44:

Let’s see if Toy Story has the same type of Lyman magic eventually.

Quoted from JohnTTwo:

I really want a OZ. My selfish thinking is hey lower demand for T4 may have JJP turn out another WOZ.
What cha think? Derek do you have a WOZ?

Quoted from splitcms:

So far, everyone I know that was initially disappointed in the reveal (me being one), has played it, and loved it.

Quoted from Zambonilli:

You know, it is this thing called summer in the northern hemisphere and it's good to get outside enjoy yourself.

Quoted from galore2112:

I’m surprised that this would be a problem? Their rotisseries can’t handle another inch or two? Weird.
I mean, it’s not like a semiconductor fab, where you’d have to get multi million dollar equipment if you change process, is it?

Quoted from Xelz:

Man, the Stern vs. JJP camps here are worse than the PlayStation vs. Xbox console wars.

Quoted from wackenhut:

Forget the theme, the rule set, the accessories, the cost….there is already an issue with the playfield on the machine. Is anyone concerned about the jump ramp? This is a new machine just put on location causing damage.

Quoted from blacklightprod:

I know I hear you its terrible. A brand new game is cheaper than Munster Premium asking $16,500.00. Godzilla LE 20k - Elvira Premium $15k - Tron LE 20k - some guy asked for 60K a few weeks ago for a Batman SLE. Let’s not forget Beatles ask out of the gate or Elvira 40th people asking 30k. And you’re really complaining about 12k for a brand new game. Don’t you find that slightly hypocritical.
I don’t know just saying. Why is it we as buyers of these games feel its fair game to ask for the sky the moon and the stars but the supplier can’t. Is Black Knight really worth the 20k some people are trying to get for that game right now? Seriously? That same person would ask 20k for their game but then RAIL ON JJP for asking 12k for a game with a top 5 license from Disney.
I again point out to you that NEW GAMES RIGHT NOW ARE CHEAPER THAN USED GAMES! Think about that for a second. Who created this market the sellers or the buyers then resellers????
Easy to point fingers but never look directly in the mirror! Here is the other thing that boggles the mind… KANEDA has been advocated that JJP sell their games for 18 to 25k now he’s complaining about the price. HUH.
Maybe the World right now is just in a place where no one is happy who knows. Play Toy Story it will make you happy. Just give it a try!

Quoted from blacklightprod:

When people STOP buying the prices will go down.

Quoted from romulusx:

I’m taking a wild guess here.I bet I can safely say you have nothing positive to say about JJP games and rave reveiws for Stern games right?
You have been going on for days here and you just keep coming up with negatives.I love how you compare JJP games from the past as being better.You had nothing good to say about them either at the time!You are simply a fanboy.
I have admitted to rooting for Jack from the beginning but I do not go to Stern threads to just talk shit like you do here. Just quit already

Quoted from snaroff:

Man, you must be easily bothered. RUSH scoop fiasco? What, having to purchase a 3rd party protector that is more aesthetically pleasing is a big deal to you? Sure, it's a bummer that manufacturers don't do a great job protecting the PF (on occasion), however it's really minor. Do you like the game? For games I love, it's really easy to get past the minor manufacturer issues. Shit, took me 2 months to dial-in Rick and Morty, but it was a labor of love since the game is so amazing.

Quoted from romulusx:

Have many post did you make about Rush scoop?What I’m complaining about is the way you go on and on like you want to stop anybody from buying any game from JJP.Most everybody here got it after day two.I’ve already stated days ago that I wasn’t happy with them having to do TS4.I also posted I wanted them to do a B/W JJP encompassing first three movies!
I also stated I was disappointed about the lack of cool mechs and crazy pricing!If you had bothered to actually read what I said about bean counters being in charge.
So I don’t blindly support JJP I just hope they can get back to their original mission and not just become another Stern.

Quoted from romulusx:

Bring it on! Is the guy in leather Gimp from Pulp Fiction?

Quoted from RobbyIRL5:

Watching somebody discuss WOZ “glory days” over any shooter pinball by Lawlor tells me that people’s taste in pinball varies incredibly. I’ve got a WOZ and I’d almost rather just look at it than play it!

Quoted from Indusguys:

Guy gets GC and complains about slingshot to left outlane, “feels like the game is designed for player to fail”. Looks like he could shoot the right ramp all day.

Quoted from zermeno68:

Yup.. That is me the sucker paying CE NIB price! I’ll gladly take the hit. I’m fully aware if I decide to sell/trade it in the future, it’s value will go down (unless I find the right buyer). That will be a few years down the road.
Im good with that as I know I’m gonna have a blast playing this game.
I agree if JJP kept the price the same as Wonka, there would be less complaining.
The nearest pinball arcade center near me is at least 2 hours drive one way. Time is my main factor driving me to buy this game.
With my 3rd baby on the way I’m sure the wife will not want to drive just to play some pins.

Quoted from zermeno68:

Has anyone consider that perhaps JJP game construction is by design?

Quoted from iceman44:

"It's just where the market is".
People are having a tough time coming to grips with that fact. Like it or not. I understand it's crazy and ridiculous but it is what it is for now. It doesn't seem to be coming to a screeching halt yet.
Here's a good example, Thunderbird was over in the Munsters thread pumping up the LE sale at $17,500 and saying it's going a lot higher because of how great the game is. I have one, and I love mine but............... $17,500 and up?
THAT is the problem right there. Yes prices are insane but people now EXPECT to buy a game for X and sell it a LOT higher for Y.
What did you think was going to happen? The "money grabs"? Take a peek at the Pinside Marketplace. It's not one or two, it's across the board.
The idea that a pin manufacturer has gone there price wise is shocking, or is it?

Quoted from PtownPin:

where's the link to the game play

Quoted from iamabearsfan:

If somehow Pinside AI was here. The best feature it could have would be to suppress bantering back and forth between individuals in what is clearly a mean spirited conversation. It would save the rest of us hours of our life so we don't have to page through this BS. What I am looking for in this thread is constructive feedback on TS4 and more curious about gameplay as it is now out in the wild. I love JJP pins and really like Pat's designs. The more I read, I think a lot of people may have been a little harsh out of the gate. With that said, this is why constructive feedback is really needed. This stuff is really expensive and real information is very helpful for those on the fence.
The direct digs at people on here are amazing. I really do wonder what people's motives are when they post so much hate? Is it that important to them to bash a given manufacturer because they own a competing brand? Really? It also astounds me how brave people can be behind a keyboard.
I will send anyone that wants a chill pill for free
Let's maybe try to be a tad kinder to one another? This is a hobby and frankly it is supposed to be recreation, right?
Peace
Dave

Quoted from zaphX:

I liked it!

Quoted from MachineGunGuy:

I find all the negativity here amusing. TS4 is a game, an expensive game, frankly out of the reach for many people to purchase. Those that can afford it will ultimately make the decision as to whether or not it's worth buying. I have not owned pins for that long, yet I now own 5 and waiting on 3, including Elvira, CCr and yes a Toy Store 4 CE. I buy them based on what looks fun to play and a theme I like. I bought the Munsters because I liked the theme, people panned it, yet the new code updates make it, in my opinion, almost an entirely different game than the one I bought. Its actually a favorite among my guests and casual players. Sometimes a Glitzy looking game or one with a great theme that isn't overly deep is actually a positive, especially for those who aren't that into pinball but just want to flip a few games and see what score they can get. My wife falls into that category. I've never owned a JJP Game before so I am curious how it compares to my Stern games. I will reserve judgement as to whether my purchase of TS4 is a mistake although if I based my decision on what I'm reading here its an epic disaster.

Quoted from iceman44:

I’m thinking the FOMO sales tactic is over for Spooky Damon.
Flippers got screwed.
Spooky needs to just sell a game and see who wants it without the drama. Pump the brakes

Quoted from PinMonk:

Disaster for Spooky going forward. They burned their base HARD. That sellout was because people TRUSTED Spooky due to accumulated goodwill, and that loss is not easy to charge up again. That trust was OBLITERATED with Halloween/Ultraman. Look at the marketplace. People selling a top of the line Ultraman for $6700. That's DUMPING. If Spooky is really are doing a double release AGAIN, they learned nothing and it will be very interesting soon.

Quoted from RobbyIRL5:

I’d say it’s more because most people are getting them and realizing all the hating in this thread is nonsense and that it’s a great game. Is it the all-ending greatest game ever designed/built like some of us were expecting (including me), maybe not, but it’s a really good fun shooter that may be too easy for pros but certainly not for most of us, and one that will stay in my collection.
The more people playing it the more irrelevant all these posts hating become. But it’s fun to see how charged up people get!

Quoted from romulusx:

Were you same guys honest about Led Zeppelin when it came out?
Yea I didn’t think so.Before you fucking scream fanboy I’ve already stated I haven’t played the game but I was very disappointed in it being TS 4 and the lack of toys in a Toy Story pin!Led Zep looked like shit and most of you guys got very defensive of Stern’s new game

Quoted from PinMonk:

Something's wrong. We haven't had a single stuck ball.

Quoted from Blackzarak:

Don’t see how people say this pin is so easy, I own one and I struggle to get past 2 mil and I think I’m a pretty good player. I do have the pin set up tuff.
Flippers setting are raised
Slings settings are raised
No rubbers in the outlanes.
I had friends over who are pretty high rank and they agreed it’s not easy as people say.