Quoted from cybevenom:

Toy story 4 CE gameplay.
Enjoy.

Quoted from pinballjah:

Can you buy the CE online? Will they ship it outside the US if purchased directly? Thanks for the help!

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

In a nutshell:
CE is the Woody edition and it is red, has a mirrored back glass and a custom integrated topper.
LE is Buzz edition and it is blue, has a translite and no topper.

Quoted from EagleEd7:

Of all the toy story movies, 4 was my least favorite!

Quoted from Apollo18:

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Quoted from Three60in:

I actually think it looks fun. Like a solid product. My issue is 12k? Ouch. As an opp. your talking $2 per game. Im going to pass for now. Hope to pick one up used.

Quoted from onemilemore:

Game looks to be a fun shooter, but at this point I am kinda wondering who it is for.
Pinball folks, I suspect, are gonna be hard-pressed to go in on it at a $12K starting price, other than the hardcore collectors. I'm a home-use guy and this is just way too much for me when I could get 2 Stern Pros at the same price, more or less.
And are the deep-pocketed Disney heads really gonna be into the Toy Story 4 theming? Toy Story across the board would've been a slam dunk, but I don't think this one hits the right buttons. Plus, so many of the beloved characters just don't even seem to be well-represented, and the iPad doesn't exactly scream Toy Story.
Maybe I will be wrong, but it feels like they missed the sweet spot here. The price point is high because of the license, but it's not the exact license that demands that price point. Will be curious how sales progress.

Quoted from dnaman:

In Canadian and Australian currency, these are through the roof as well. Quite simply put, besides maybe a POTC LE (which I already have) and maybe a Big Bang Bar, you can likely get just about any pin that you could ever want. If your wish list includes lesser desirable titles then you might be able to get two or more for similar coin.

Quoted from Palmer:

The Pro doesn't. Star Wars is a pretty sweet game though and it's pretty bare. But in all fairness, if Stern released that Pro today it would be 7K, not 12K.

Quoted from dnaman:

I would buy a TBL at similar coin long before this and I haven't bought Lebowski because of the crazy cost.

Quoted from flynnibus:

Operators make money by recurring coin drop exceeding (depreciation costs+operating costs) - not by breaking even on the sale price of a game.
Buying a $12k piece of equipment and selling it for $8k two years later only costs them $4k - not $12k.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Eh... mostly.
Here is an example.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/135292
This is the G&R SE that was on location at Ocelot. It got 3500 plays and the operator sold it for about what he paid for it after a year and a half. In that time it got about 3500 plays, so maybe $3000 in revenue if you count the free games.
But how many people drove to the building and bought beer just to play it? How many people came to league night and bough beer because of it? How many people stayed longer and bought beer because this was there?
I am under the impression coin drop on games doesn't really make much if any money. What it does do is bring people into the building who spend money on more expensive things.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Godzilla Pro would absolutely bring more people in to buy Beer. However, Toy Story would bring more people in to buy pizza and attract more Birthday parties. One group has and spends alot more money though... and has transportation of their own.

Quoted from flynnibus:

If a game costs 2x more, and doesn't create any draw or additional revenue.. then that's a problem. The point of this entire discussion is initial investment is not the deciding factor - it's what the game makes vs what it costs to own.

Quoted from flynnibus:

If your point was TS isn't going to earn - that's your opinion and speculation you are free to.
But your post was that the game cost was the issue itself - and that alone isn't what moves the needle. COIN DROP drives behavior - not equipment up-front costs. Something hobbyists struggle to grasp.
Initial Costs are largely offset by residual value. A category that JJP games in particular have done very well in.
Know what kills a game more than initial costs? Parts and downtime - because THEY LIMIT COIN DROP and drive up costs that will never be recovered in resale.

Quoted from flynnibus:

There are other effects besides the game’s individual earning too. If you run a pinball spot and are the only one to have the game in your area… it is a location draw. It will bring players to your spot just looking for that game because they want to experience it.
So it will boost other games… a halo game. Obviously this effect is not something you do on every game - but highlights reasoning beyond simple ‘it can get a Godzilla for 1/3 less’ or whatever.
Kind of why we have a big lebowski on route even though it costs 2x what another game costs.
Obviously all this logic relies on the game being a draw to players.
We will be putting a toy story on location

Quoted from Enron64:

I was impressed with what I saw. The more I watched the videos and the gameplay the more impressed I became. It looks like it’s should be a good shooter like wonka. I love how my Wonka shoots and the rules. If toy story shoots well has good code and is fun like wonka then I am in. LE only for me as price is bananas in Canada haha.

Quoted from iceman44:

At some point, maybe in the coming recession, it’s going to hit a wall.

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Overpaying on anything right now is a bad idea. Wait until people that just bought a house see the value next year.

Quoted from flynnibus:

We should have our game on route this week for those who want to actually play sone pinball

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Quoted from Haymaker:

I just want to touch on the lack of SE thing a bit, since it seems like everyone else is doing a good job of handling the other points. I see a few people bemoaning the fact there is no SE. Besides the points that others have made, its been known for a while now JJP was going to stop making SE's. It was dumb for them to be making SE's as long as they did. SE's are always the lowest selling model for JJP. It was smart of them to take that out of the lineup. I know a few people would buy SE's but really, why? They aren't much cheaper than the LE and its just a lot more hassle for the manufacturing side.

Quoted from galore2112:

I don’t understand why you think that, given that every NIB pinball machine that isn’t from Spooky sells like toilet paper circa 2020.
This is such a small niche market and it’s apparently easy finding a couple thousand customers in a world of billions of people who have no problem blowing $15k, $20k etc. on a pinball machine.

Quoted from badgerx23:

It still looks so empty.

Quoted from iceman44:

I would agree with that. There is a lag in the unemployment numbers. Service sector jobs are up, summer reopening travel stuff, high paying tech jobs are getting hit especially for those with no profits.
The labor market is tight because the participation rate has dropped and people need to come back to ease wage pressures.
The Fed can’t say the quiet part out loud but they will drive a recession to get inflation under control. Watch Powell today.
A “recession” is not the boogeyman and defined as 2 straight quarters of declining GDP growth.
The 2020 Covid recession lasted for 2 months
There could be some black swan events to F it all up. Energy and food crisis gets real. War escalates etc
Hard to have a recession though with tight labor market and the Fed is gonna break that.
Soft or hard landing? That’s the question of the day

Quoted from iceman44:

I’m afraid that’s right.
Fed can’t affect:
1) the supply side
2) commodity prices
3) war in Ukraine
I’d rather go ahead and rip the band aid off. Get the S&P to 3,000 pre Covid and reset the disaster of spending that lit this fire.
Value over Growth, Dividends, Fortress balance sheets, free cash flow machines, pricing power. Commodities.
Is the market down 23% ytd? Not energy. It’s up over 40%, cheap valuations and big dividends. Best performer in 2021 as well
It’s a global market of supply and demand of which the world has cut off excellent energy sources in favor of “green energy”.
Now they realize the sovereign threat of that mistake.
We will be in a decade long commodity bull market because of the structural worldwide issues with supply and demand.
While Energy now makes up 5% of the S&P 500 market cap, up from 2-3%, it represents 9% of the earnings of the S&P
I do think much of this bad news is already priced in. When the ultimate fear and panic hits again, gotta buy
What does all this mean for pinball? $9 trillion in wealth has already been wiped out this year in the markets. Some here will be happy about that.
Maybe pins are the only business in the world immune to such issues?
F it. Who cares. It fun!

Quoted from romulusx:

Alright you can go do something else now!Damn man get a life already.I didn’t get this worked up when Stern fucked up my favorite band pin so badly!Led Zeppelin

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I don't get all the hate on Pat. The game looks to shoot butter smooth. For fun and approachable games, he's the best in the world. The real issue is Katz and other people helping with rules. I can't think of a single jjp machine with great rules. DI could have been good had they addressed the terrible flaws...
That said, the Mirco dice role vs price is crazy. And the slot machine sounds are brutal as always. They hired a sound company instead of the slot guy, yet the slot sounds remain.... Weird. Maybe they actually desire such off-putting audio. The mismatch with gnr is far worse, but still...
Looks like most jjp machines: a fun shooter with crap rules and crap sound and potential pf issues. Zzzzzzz

Quoted from ZoraShinoda:

I was surprised to see Jack Danger post a video of his game play on youtube. Awesome that he did that, many companies would frown upon an employee posting video/content related to a competitor.

Quoted from rai:

Sounds like GnR!

Quoted from seenev:

Whenever they trot out Pat Lawlor in interviews, I cringe. The guy is a legend but he's so past his prime that you wonder if he can even play pinball anymore. He talks slowly and certainly doesn't seem like he'd have the reflexes to play a fast shooting game, but we're supposed to think that this guy who crawls through every sentence on camera is innovating pinball? Does anyone think he even saw Toy Story 4 before being assigned this project?

Quoted from PinballTilt:

I got four games on a toy story today. I enjoyed it. Shoots pretty smoothly which is probably my #1 thing in a pin. If you have one on order congrats and enjoy. The only thing stopping me from picking one up is the price and the screen.

Quoted from AJC3030:

Hopefully it's better than zeppelin, black knight , star wars ....

Quoted from PinballZach:

I just watched Toy Story 4 for the first time after getting the bad taste that was Toys Story 3 out of my mouth. No spoilers, It's better than 3 but not by much. Disney really destroyed what was probably one of their biggest properties. Which makes me wonder, why would JJP make a game out of one of the weaker movies, it makes zero since to me. I've been dreaming about a Toy Story pinball ever since these rumors started and JJP crushed them. I always wondered what a pinball company could do with Toy Story, oh the ideas! First the game should have been based on the first and second films and could have featured: The Claw Has Chosen" Multiball where you would lock the balls (green aliens) in Andy's toy chest (Aerosmith) and when multiball started the claw would take the locked balls out and drop them on the playfield one at a time. A Mr. Potato head bash toy (he's always exploding or falling apart) where his parts pop out momentarily when you hit him. R/C video mode, Help Rex and Buzz defeat Zurg, PIZZA PLANET, Toy Soldier's "No Soldier Left Behind", Al's Toy Barn, Woody's Round-Up Multiball, Buzz Lightyear Multiball. The ideas just keep popping up in my head. I'd count this one as a complete failure, the designers should be ashamed of themselves. Did they even watch the movies. Stern needs to make their own Toy Story and sell it for less than JJP's prices, they would kill it!