Bit of talk in this JJP thread that people won’t be buying another JJP and implying “morons” buy JJP products.

Take it easy, we’re glad you aren’t buying anymore JJPs, we’re glad you think we are morons, makes it easier for those who want a machine to get one sooner than later.

Why bother to post in this thread if you are done with JJP?

If JJP is such garbage, why do their pins command so much money on the secondhand market?

Why is their top tier model sometimes twice or three times what they sold for new?

Are JJP owners disappointed with playfield issues, yep we are.

Pinball is supposed to be fun and toy story is supposed to be fun. If this isn’t true for you, I’d find something else to spend time on.

Lastly, do you honestly believe JJP likes a defective product and wants that product in their machines? I’m sure they don’t, I’m sure they are trying to fix it and I’m sure there are business dealings and contracts we don’t understand or know about. The playfield issues are well known and likely everyone on pinside or this thread knows about it. It’s a dead horse.

Go look at archived ads, here’s two other titles that doubled original price. Is the next argument selling price was undisclosed? Do we need bank transactions to verify?

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/120194

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/119499

The only theme that’s never really held it’s value is Dialed In. Even before the prices going up across the board on all pins, JJPs have at least held value if not gone up.

Then why are you interested in this JJP tread?

Being that TS has been long speculated and supposedly was to come before wonka, I would think this title is going to be real special. Also likely to be Pat’s last game, with all that said, I have a super high expectation for this from JJP. I am anxious to see what come out!

Yet here you are, posting and all. I don’t think that’s how ignoring works but IDK.

A lot of people guessing the price of games is only helping JJP decide what price to set the games at. This speculation only hurts the potential buyers. It doesn’t help any may only lend to bragging rights that someone “knew” or guessed the price.

Stop speculating prices!

It’s ridiculous to think they DON’T read these threads. It’s also ridiculous if you think none of their business decisions are based off any collected info from pinside or social media. Why wouldn’t they? It’s free information that didn’t require any questionnaires or solicitation.

Public pinball is kinda like real estate, location, location, location. Hobbit was a good earner for me at all my locations, PoTC did ok. I had a TAF that did horrible, I moved it 1.5 miles to another location I had and it earned like a mad man. Couldn’t figure it out other than the location.

You are almost a dollar too low, the national average is over $5/gal. Some places are a lot higher, California is over $6/gal. Vehicles cost a lot more today too so I don’t know if that’s a valid argument either. Diesel is even more expensive and most diesel vehicles also require DEF making the cost per mile even more. Another factor is gasoline has been watered down with ethanol nowadays, if you buy non-ethanol gas the price is even higher.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/

Fuel is most definitely the highest it has been for the US. Goods aren’t moved with 90mpg vehicles unless its by train. The real cost goes beyond what you pay at the pump.

The whole price speculation is getting old. We don’t know what it is. Yes, they could ask a trillion for a one off super duper limited collector edition. They can ask whatever they want for any model.

It is a fine line to toe because if you ask too much, sales stagnate. If you lower prices then previous buyers get pissed and pitch forks come out. Price will be whatever it’s going to be, flippers are going to flip.

I’m pretty sure a smart company would produce a unit with an acceptable profit margin based on percentages, not FOMO. FOMO is not a constant and weakens/goes away, especially in a downturn economy.

I can’t keep up with ALL the posts without having thoughts get sidetracked. I noticed a lot of complaints about how bare the PF is and where are all the toys/mechs. I thought the same thing when I seen the video. It reminded me of Elvira when I first seen it. It is pretty plain, but it’s a fun pin.

Lots to complain about and that’s what todays pinball crowd seem to like to do best. I think Elvira and the prices for it are crazy too. 20k plus for an updated color of purple is crazy. I think a piece of couch cloth is crazy and somehow adds value to a pin.

Point is, I think all pinball is stupid expensive now and pins need played to have a proper assessment if they are worth the price or not.