Quoted from playtwowin:

I'm concerned that this title will suffer from lack of assets. For the love of God is it too much to ask when we pay 11-14,500 on these new JJP games. If anyone is listening over there please realize this matters.
I want to hear and see the words / music that make this license so special. And in a perfect world see and hear them at the same time.... (wonka)
I do appreciate that JJP will create a world under glass experience However I would really appreciate it if the code had some substance and was not just all multiballs as well.
This is constructive criticism. Tough love approach. Hope it helps.
I'm 100% in on a Toy Story. JJP please do not disappoint.
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Quoted from Damonator:

Steve's JJP game comes out next summer...according to an excellent source.

Quoted from delt31:

I just hope jjp returns to the old jjp by really packing their games. My guess is that toy story will be similar to wonka and gnr which is good but not the same bom as woz, potc, etc. It’s called diet jjp. Tricky part is the price will be much higher than before although it doesn’t matter when they see games like stranger things sell for 16k.

Quoted from explosiveegg:

The limited number doesn't really give it value. I believe Jack has said that the last couple of games they've sold, they have sold less standard editions than any other version. The standard is really the most limited version... Plus, looks at WOZ, they can make as many different types of collectors editions as they please. They're not so limited after all.
People generally just want the best version of the game.
It is a bummer that they prevent anyone who wants one from getting one. This mainly just benefits the flippers.

Quoted from zaphX:

Those of you hating on high gas prices may enjoy the EV thread...
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-i-hate-evs-thread/page/30#post-6971695

Quoted from iceman44:

If they do 1,000 CEs it should be
500 Woody
500 Buzz
1k is too many I think. A ton of Wonka CEs sat for a long time.
You say Toy Story is a theme worth 1k CEs? I don’t know.
When we reach the point that people lose money on the secondary market like on Halloween, that might tamp down the FOMO next time.
$15k for folks about to head into a recession isn’t chump change. Not to mention all the other games coming out this year

Quoted from iceman44:

It’s not really a “terrible game” but the demand for it at that price and that many supposed “collector editions” isn’t there
Classic FOMO rush. Too many for what it is
Doubt it happens again with Spooky even though I like their games.

Quoted from iceman44:

Elwin is the King of pinball now. He’s gonna command big $$$ now
How many Dialed In CEs are there. Everything I hear it’s a great game?
Might as well make 2,000 CEs for $20k? See how that works out.

Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

That’s just your opinion as is mine and my family and we love it. GNR LE’s can be had below MSRP so I guess that game is terrible, also, and it is. My opinion and my families. Couldn’t wait for my last ball to be done.
After the light show wares off, it’s not a great game. Just my opinion.

Quoted from Skyemont:

Has anyone heard of the new prices? I am hearing the LE's are now 12k and the CE's are now 15k. I just can't spend this much on a pinball during these times.

Quoted from KornFreak28:

That’s what I was arguing a few days ago. They know people are hungry to buy it sight unseen. If you wait until they show a teaser video or pictures of any kind, the CE will be out of stock by the time you make your decision.

Quoted from LTG:

Well jjp didn't get me back before the unveiling.
I do hope it's a great game. And everybody that wants one gets one !
LTG : )

Quoted from Mando:

Yes this is true, it just hasn't hit the job market yet. Hopefully it wont hit it too hard.

Quoted from zermeno68:

Question for previous JJP owners: Do you buy replacement parts right away or wait it out?
Is it best to order it through JJP website or your distributor??

Quoted from KornFreak28:

Thanks! The feeding frenzy will probably shut JJP website down

Quoted from hiker2099:

I hate this. I can only afford about one game per year. I do like Toy Story,,,, But I am a huge BOND fan and am trying to stay disciplined enough to not go in on TS. Do you think there will be plenty on used market in a year?

Quoted from Rydhia:

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Quoted from hank527:

Read Apple case studies. JJP is like Apple in it needed money and was likely close to going under.
No comparison today as JJP quality is nothing like Apple. Apple is sleek marketing with very high quality.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Anyone looking for innovation from Lawlor in 2022 hasn't been paying attention. He's been on a "greatest hits" mech tour for years. What's the last truly original playfield mech he's debuted? I think you'd have to go back to Bally/Williams for that. He's a master of flow and his pins are going to shoot well, but innovation or reinventing something in a new way? Look to sk8ball or Hogbog for that these days.

Quoted from LTG:

Part of being an operator. Having the game your players want. Rotating games and getting the right game in the right location.
Some games haul in money. But not true for each location.
LTG : )

Quoted from PinMonk:

Nah. It's just a small screen with a magnet and opto that does the sanctum lock ball pullback performance from The Shadow (and does it way worse). Nothing new there, and way less cool than hyped. Like I said, he's all about pinball's greatest hits.

Quoted from thewool:

I'm not sure what the bigger crime is, the daft tablet on the playfield or the fact it masks a wireform (sacrilege! burn them!!)

Quoted from indypinhead:

I agree iceman....That's another thing that JJP brought to pinball....higher prices.
My WOZECLE was my 1st NIB pin. At that time, I was really wanting a Scared Stiff, but people were wanting around $7k. At that price, I figured I might as well buy a NIB. I found someone willing to sell their WOZECLE spot for $7.5k. I jumped on it. For what is in TS4, I think manufacturers, (especially JJP) has reached the ceiling. I guess time will tell. My CCrLE is my last NIB purchase. The hobby has gotten crazy.
Thankfully, we still have CGC...They seem to sell the best value these days, by far.

Quoted from Vernisious:

The haters are hilarious broke hoes. They wanted to buy it for 9.5 and sell it for 12. They come here to bash gameplay/layout but really just want to justify why they can't afford the going rate of sought after games. Toy Story 4 is a great game already. Just like Godzilla was right out of the gate. I wish the price was lower on a lot of games but to complain of empty playfield when people haven't played it. It's actually packed with shots. It's embarrassing and sad to constantly see crybabies bash a title they can't afford.

Quoted from seenev:

Whenever they trot out Pat Lawlor in interviews, I cringe. The guy is a legend but he's so past his prime that you wonder if he can even play pinball anymore. He talks slowly and certainly doesn't seem like he'd have the reflexes to play a fast shooting game, but we're supposed to think that this guy who crawls through every sentence on camera is innovating pinball? Does anyone think he even saw Toy Story 4 before being assigned this project?

Quoted from PinMonk:

There's nothing to "catch." Electrical resistance in the coil increases as heat advances, so the same amount of power does less work. Increasing the power once it starts fading just makes the problem worse because more power is more heat which creates more resistance. The only way to address it (and this is the same for every manufacturer) is to cool the coils externally or provide less power. Less power isn't sexy, but by just changing the duty cycle, you can give it less power in hold and cut a ton off the heat, especially with trap players. BUT only Stern has the hardware to support a sub-1ms duty cycle at the moment. All of them will eventually end up going this way in the future.
I have a JJP specific version of the Tibetan Breeze flipper cooling kit that's testing right now that should fit ALL JJP machines, not just GnR. I've been working on it since last summer. The problem with JJP for external fan brackets is they have super-tight clearances on flipper plates in all their machines, so for some it's just impossible to mount the brackets I designed years ago. Hopefully I'll have the word that it works in all the JJP machines in the next couple weeks. If that's the case, I'll be able to ship a kit that works for all JJP by Aug. And, if the GnR brackets work for Toy Story 4, even sooner for Toy Story 4.

Quoted from Haymaker:

I keep seeing this like its some sort of achievement or makes the game not worthy of its criticism. Did they sell 300 through their website? Otherwise, a big chunk of that is just distributor allotment. AP sold millions of dollars worth of LoV day one too. Spooky sold out their entire run of games day 1 as well. Surely a large percentage of these TS4 sales are from people who are hoping to cash in, or just buy every new title. How many of them are actually thrilled with the end product? Any pinball machine released right now is pretty much a sure fire license to print cash for any company. Demand is at epic proportions, supply is at its lowest. The real test is how many people who don't or can't just buy every single new machine are interested? None of that has anything to do with the reason a huge swath of the hobby is let down by this release anyway.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Yes, he’s a very good player. Not sure he’s going to give real impressions publicly ever on this or most any pin. Not wise of him to do.

Quoted from iloveplywood:

I never agree with this logic. Pinball was old when I was a kid too. I never played pinball in the arcades and I'm 53, I barely remember them being there. My parents got the house a pinball machine when I was young -- a Genesis -- and I didn't even know there was a robot reveal until I was forty, it shocked the hell out of us, I just never played it. So for me pinball had nothing to do with nostalgia. I played it digitally and realized it was actually awesome and got into it at the cliche age of 46. It's perfectly possible that each new generation will discover it the same way. I mean it could die off, it's a pretty impractical hobby, but I don't think it will be because the younger generation doesn't like it currently.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

The Benson posts keep being touted as some crazy interactive feature when in reality they seem designed to prevent airballs from off centered pop up ramp shots. NGG has similar posts on each side of its pop up ramp.
The most disappointing thing about Toy Story 4 code is the complete lack of mini wizard modes. There’s no way I’m spending $12k+ on a pin without at least 1 mini wizard mode. Every JJP pin has contained at least one mini wizard mode until Toy Story 4.

Quoted from cliff_clavin:

Model 3 do not do it in 2.5 seconds. Closer to 3 and change.