Right! Agree on different tastes for sure! That's a fascinating aspect of this hobby to me Your house/collection has no JJP at all which is interesting since they have some pretty good and varied games. You'd think at least 1 would land in a collection the size of yours. Have other JJP titles entered and left your house? Just curious.
Will TS enter the threshold or are you GnR shy?

This doesn't seem all that surprising possibly based on manufacturing capabilities and maybe lessons learned from GNR. Could it be a new standard for JJP going forward per title? I.e. Stern releases three models, JJP releases two.

No incentive.

Assuming you don't need or want vendor services, and especially if all your vendors charge sales tax, then I would just buy from JJP direct and save the money. Even if vendor says no shipping, Shipping costs are less than sales tax in many states. Maybe it's a wash in NY if it's 4%

Based on my ownership of and 900 plays on a Nov2021 build GnR, if I wanted TS, I would have no problems with that "risk."
PETG washers don't bother me either in case that's someone's next comment... TS may have them as well.

reminds me of the big kids taking me snipe hunting when I was a little kid

Thats one way around the issue but its still an issue..

https://sternpinball.com/ works just fine.

I think it is.
This is a JJP forum, TS playfield concerns probably and rumors about them are relevant based on history.
Rumors discussion about the playfield are being discussed "will it have washers?" or "will it have art around the holes?"

Does a positive last 10 months on the same title that started out with issues count for anything? TS isn't gunna be a GnR repeat.

This is consistent with JJP previously stating late summer as timing for the GnR run to complete

From the serials shipping now it appears there are less than 1500 of their 5000 run left to complete. They appear to be right on schedule for a late summer official end of GnR production.

They said late summer for the run of 5k. Sounds like it will end early. Congrats to TS lovers everywhere.

wow, great wayyyy back moment.. thumbs up

Applause jackpot!
You dodged a bullet, and got a rose. That definitely deserves an encore! .

Out of curiosity... How many plays does it have?

Not sure could be..
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Aww why not... Make it 6 guys guessing...

11,000 LE 5000 made
14,500 CE 1000 made, sell out day 1

6 month after launch LE increases to 12,000
3 months later 12,500

JJP lives here like you do.
Still haunting...

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Consolidating bets

For LE, due to qty, I guess JJP will to sell to the market, not pinside. Pinside is a very small and niche enthusiasts group that (imo) really won't swing JJP one way or the other... Now the CE probably will go to mostly those that will pay any price, both entusiasts AND those where price doesnt matter anyway.
Pinside speculation concerns is silly, JJP is a boutique mftr, knows their market, knows what they have, and its not their first rodeo. Coming off the GnR experience and what blindsided them as they left money on the table plus throw in the current crazier market with all cost increases of goods and materials and supply chain challenges adding to their BOM increase this isnt going to be pretty any way it unfolds.... and so I fully expect them to stick it to you CE guys.
Why do they want to sell out first day or even first week on CE? Set the number high enough that it makes most people cringe, creates sensational headlines, and includes uber margin they can reap from the uber cash heavy (and there are a LOT more now) such as those willing to pay $20k+ for a POTC. A common mindset is that depreciation on cash is going to be faster than depreciation on a rare asset like a pinball machine so parking $20k in a rare asset that is in highest demand I have ever seen since the lockdown is considered "smart."
Downvote me if you like, but it makes sense to me for them to open the CE at $19,995

I know that is a rhetorical question, but for the non-monks I think the answer is found outside of Tibet and located in a basic economics principle of supply & demand. In short, because it would drive down the price.

This is a key point for the demand side of the equation. 500 of something that is a dud is 500 too many.

covers a lot of sins.... love that... and yes it will.

Let's see what the CE & LE look like and we will have more context.
As a comparative side note, the GnR difference wasn't compelling enough to me comparing those BOMs so I wanted the LE.
If I had really wanted a CE, I would have bought one on secondary, but I just didn't want it.
I got the benefit to put the mods in my LE and exceeded what a CE delivers (to me) for the same money.
Hopefully there is a lot more than economic disparities between versions with TS.

LED Lighting and figures in the pin cabinet? Brilliant, yes. Original? No.

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I pretty sure you're probably only going to find around 5000 people who will say yes.

Agree. Standard seems to be synonymous with cheap and lacking features that were intentionally removed to sell the LE to me. The triple tiered thing doesn't make much sense to me. Just make the limited which is a limited run and is THE core game design with all theb designers features and expected price to match and then offer the bling collectors version with the price to match also.

Probably depends on how many they make

If thousands of people stopped buying their product then you'd get nothing at all.

That would be epic

1. deactivate pinside account
2. return in 30 days to re-activate again and you should see new posts.

self-imposed moderation.
Post content deleted due to misinformation.

This was For international only

Yup you are right. thanks for the correction. I will edit my post.

Anyone choking on $15k price for a CE is just in the grandstands waiting on the race to start.

Only everyone on this thread, yes.

That was the old world. This is the new world.
History is being erased or rewritten daily and is no longer a reliable measure of future events.

I'll take that bet. Seems logical based on the theme it is more focused on movie fun and mechs. GnR by Disney? Nah.

This is a repeat of the #1 prediction from many many people. Nothing original here.

Lol!!! So true.

Says the guy posting 6 times a day for the last 6 years. Lol.
I know personally how much time it takes to maintain that ratio and it equals a lot of time.

"people like me" is everyone who posts on pinside. Reading comprehension is not your strength, I get it.

I'm licking my wounds.

Keep your change and buy some condoms.

Often times this translates into double money!

15k for the CE, plus
15k for the wife for the yes.

No, no tax as long as the invoice is billed to an address outside the state of the company that is selling.

If you order direct from JJP and shipped out of state there isn't any tax charged by JJP. Just shipping. Ask me how I know.

Does anyone else outside of Illinois who has ordered from JJP have a different story?

No surprise that it's not a simple answer.

Here ya go.. key post with taxes per state explained.
Pennsylvanians delt31 gets burned
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2019-new-pinball-purchase-will-be-taxed-/page/11#post-4789252

Sonds like from a sales tax standpoint, basically you've got to get creative by leveraging state's tax differences when you're purchasing.

Are we at the "Remember when you could get a pin for under $10k?" days?!
I woke up today feeling like I totally got a deal on my NIB GnRLE at $9500

I think it was this thread that set the prices, no?
Everyone said 12k le and 15k CE.... Lookie what Cha got...
Jk?

900 were distro allocations, right? ... and basically pre sold so instant credit on second 1 of release time
But the JJP direct website had 100 allocations so really actually isn't what took 3 minutes just processing those 100 deposits?

Could you do me a favor and pick a better analogy? I mean it's June and all, but show dick some respect.

Between the two options, yeah, in a New York second. No contest. Cargument ftw. Hell, Anything else ftw. Cringe.

target demographic? Is that a smile ?

Muy bueno

Couple highlights.. ZaphX looks to have the top post with 35 upvotes currently. I still laugh when I read it.

Irony. The "people" turned out to be JJP - with the TS cake icing topper character set from Amazon for $26.95
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Mechs disappointingly didn't pan out but... Maybe the GnR by Disney was closer to truth.. I was joking.

Collect all the band members, er, I mean characters and get to the concert, er, I mean carnival. Then Hit the applause, er, I mean ramp jackpot.

And its not even an Etch A Sketch either.
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Great game. Curry is superhuman and the best shooter of all time and Wiggins seems to be the new splash brother. He's picking it up as Klay works to gets his consistency of rhythm and shot back. Next year could be a repeat if things could continue on this trajectory.
Really great and long comeback from earning the worst in the league after their 3rd 2018 (?) Ring.

Someone said they have 2 lines now?
So why can't they keep rolling ts4 through the summer and split the lines for number 8 followed by announcing in December?

U hit my funny bone

I agree GnR is just as you described. Very special.
I think ts4 is special in it's own way too.
Targeting a different, kinder, gentler, wholesome, younger demographic. Who else is making brand new pinball machines with this kind of theme targeting that group?

Is the timing of this good? JJP seems to be proving they are by staying ahead of the curve from a marketing and business standpoint but either way they are running a very successful business whether you like them, or their games, or not. They clearly have Stern's attention. And they got mine with GnR.

I'd never even wanted or considered to own a pinball machine until GNR released and the promo came across my phone that late night December 30, 2020 where I had my Napoleon Dynamite "I want that!" moment and immediately went to JJP website and put down my deposit so I could then (Unknowingly) wait 11 long months for delivery.

The comparison imo is there will be enough ts4 younger "me" generation buyers out there (with 2.3 young kids now) who Like me didn't have or want a pinball machine until they resonate with ts4 and see marketing, on location, or word of mouth promo, or a search algorithm pushes the toy story pinball machine promo video to their phone Because they rented TS on Amazon ...

They will jump in for the first time like me and the cost won't be a consideration for them because it's resonates and they want it. Pretty much anybody (And I'm throwing caution to the wind saying this) pretty much anybody can come up with 10 grand. It's the new 5 grand... Then you're some pocket change away from a TS4 and loads of "fun for the whole family.".
If you ever meet them and talk to them, they'll probably say "what's pinside?". And had JJP shipped my GnR pinball machine the next week after I ordered instead of 11 months later I probably would have never heard of it either. Lucky you.

Problem: ^^
Solution: Drain thread

ahhh.... here it comes...and I am about to feel a peaceful satisfaction that I think must be similar to Steph Curry from half court.