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JJP Toy Story (any rumor confirmations?)

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#4151 56 days ago
Quoted from honkbahh:

No CEs have sold yet. Only the deposits.

Ok, would saying 'all CEs are spoken for' satisfy your need to split hairs over this?

Everyone understands the point about deposits vs paid invoices - it doesn't change the availability topic for the title or that JJP has the buyers lined up.

This argument is splitting hairs to try to defend some tiny ground that is meaningless.

#4152 56 days ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Kaneda brought up a good point today "Nothing that divisive is good".

I personally find that statement dumb.

Not everything needs mass appeal to be good...

Country, Rap, Punk, edm & Rock music are all divisive. There is a large population that loves those types of music and a large population that hates them. Does that really mean that their bad?

Is Pop the only good music because that is the most popular?

Of course not.

#4153 56 days ago
Quoted from explosiveegg:

I personally find that statement dumb.
Not everything needs mass appeal to be good...
Country, Rap, Punk, edm & Rock music are all divisive. There is a large population that loves those types of music and a large population that hates them. Does that really mean that their bad?
Is Pop the only good music because that is the most popular?
Of course not.

Agreed. That why almost all movies suck these days. Gotta make everything have mass appeal. It just turns everything bland.

#4154 56 days ago

My LE out for delivery tomorrow, didn't see any charges either until they emailed to confirm it was ready to ship... JJP -> AL $460 for FedEx freight...

#4155 56 days ago

Left the thread for a day.

Summary: People are disappointed. Some people played, and enjoyed it to differing degrees!

Still the biggest question since launch remains. Is this worth 12K? Definitely an individual answer met in time.

A sweet new release of Turtles has come out across videogame platforms, along with a couple other great indies.

I'm definitely in for 3 games on Steam today for $60. Still out for a 12K TS4!

#4156 56 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Right on! Now you’re talking about what most all of us were looking for in a Toy Story machine. Buzz, Woody, Jessie, Mr. Potato head, T Rex etc, fighting Emperor Zurg, not collecting tickets. Lol!
There in appears to be one of the main problems when a designer has little to no clue about the Toy Story line and its plot. That’s why he designed something entirely different from the Toy Story franchise, even foreign from TS4 story, as he has no connection. His connection is carnivals, the part of the story that wasn’t really there, except as a minor place next to the antique store, that’s it. To be clear, Pat saw only the trivial carnival aspect, not the whole TS movie franchise story plot. So that is why we got TS4 without the real story…all making somewhat more sense now as to why he made TS4 the way he did.

Wonder what Pat thinks of Rudy 2.0?

Side note, just got Rudy 2.0 and think its great and hilarious. WE need more comedy in pinball. Someone mentioned earlier as a joke Police Academy 4 pinball. This would be hilarious as well. Proctor!

#4157 55 days ago
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#4158 55 days ago
Quoted from Ferret:

What else would you like to see from American?

Higher quality art and animations. Nail that and the right license and you won’t be able to build them fast enough.

#4159 55 days ago
Quoted from Padrino:

My LE out for delivery tomorrow, didn't see any charges either until they emailed to confirm it was ready to ship... JJP -> AL $460 for FedEx freight...

Jealous! CEs not going on the line until Fall

#4160 55 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

Someone described the sound in this game, Wizard of Oz and Wonka as being like walking through a casino. I've been trying to explain this since Wonka came out and that is the most amazing description! So true, the sound in these games is ear-bleeding bad. It's basically an overload of things playing at the same time with no coherency at all.
Oh well this game never was for me anyway especially now because it's Toy Story 4 instead of the OG; which is the only one I've seen or ever will see. And do I really want a game where there's a bash toy that's a cute little girl's face? Maybe her character is evil in the movie or something that I'm not aware of? Even still, its just wrong to do and I can't see how Disney let this one by.

Couldn't disagree more. We all love the sounds on our Wonka. Even the slingshots have sound. Every detail considered by the JJP team. And exactly why we're in for TS4

#4161 55 days ago

I stand corrected this sounds JUST LIKE Wonka and TS4. /s

#4162 55 days ago
Quoted from DaddyManD:

Couldn't disagree more. We all love the sounds on our Wonka. Even the slingshots have sound. Every detail considered by the JJP team. And exactly why we're in for TS4

You're probably a Windows guy...

#4163 55 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I stand corrected this sounds JUST LIKE Wonka and TS4. /s

Correction of the correction. Wonka and TS4 don't sound this good...!

#4164 55 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I stand corrected this sounds JUST LIKE Wonka and TS4. /s

Aye yes, the sweet sounds of Wonka. (LoooooooL).

I see you are collecting all the JJP CE’s, can't be mad at that.

#4165 55 days ago

Was discussing this with a friend earlier. What if the "iPad" in the game was originally going to be a toy? As it sits, it's tilted to the left as if to throw airballs off to the left ramp with consistency.

Instead of it being just a screen, what if early on in the design stages the jump ramp was originally designed to be over to the left and the touchscreen was impact sensitive? Then in theory some carnival games could be played WITH the screen instead of the screen being a giant area of redundancy? Imagine milk bottles, darts, skee ball, tic-tac-toe...etc. all played by how you fly the ball onto the screen? That would've been a ridiculously cool and innovative way to integrate a screen into a game, especially one carnival themed.

Of course this is purely 100% speculative and 99% probably way off the mark. I still just can't imagine a Toy Story pin where cake toppers and rehashed "mini-mechs" would bring justice to the title and the preferred path of choice.

#4166 55 days ago

Is the spinning wheel Illuminated from the bottom?

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#4167 55 days ago
Quoted from wesman:Correction of the correction. Wonka and TS4 don't sound this good...!

It’s one thing to try and make valid points,but your post is just childish

#4168 55 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Ok, would saying 'all CEs are spoken for' satisfy your need to split hairs over this?
Everyone understands the point about deposits vs paid invoices - it doesn't change the availability topic for the title or that JJP has the buyers lined up.
This argument is splitting hairs to try to defend some tiny ground that is meaningless.

Your hairs must be the size of 2x4s if what I’m saying counts as splitting them. My quoted price from my dealer was 16.5k plus tax, so $18,150. I declined, but am still open to the CE or LE once I get some time on it. My point is that in a potentially large speculative market all the CEs being spoken for (which we still don’t know is true) may not equate to them all being sold upon launch. Then if they are sold, at what price and to whom.

Splitting hairs would be my opinion that I prefer callouts from a single narrator rather than 3, even though I like all 3 individually in this case.

#4169 55 days ago

frankmac are you in for TS4?

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#4170 55 days ago

I just played it at Enterrium. It’s terrific. As an owner of Wonka, GnR, WOZ and a host of other non-JJ machines, I can honestly say that this machine is a blast to play, has really great value for the coin dropper, and has major legs for an owner. It’s not “simple” - as some have argued. It is, however, not a ball stealer either. I loved it. Got to talk with JJ’s representative who was there making sure everything was running smoothly — and it was.

#4171 55 days ago

I've bought games that I immediately LOVED;
I've bought games that I initially HATED;
I've grown bored of games in a home setting that I swore I'd never sell;
I've hung onto games that were impulse-buys because they grew on me.

I'm not an absolutist about anything in the pinball world because sometimes it takes me forever to decide how I feel about a game. And then, I'm just as likely to change my mind after another dozen games on a machine.

I hope this game is really fun to play because I believe a rising tide lifts all [pinball machines] boats! If it ends up disappointing me, I'll sell it and move on to something else. If I end up loving it, I'll eventually get antsy, sell it, and move on to something else.

#4172 55 days ago
Quoted from galore2112:

In a way it’s difficult to wrap my head around the thought that I’m looking at $12000+ here.
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And the pinball is the same price also

#4173 55 days ago
Quoted from rai:

That Tron from Delt31 could have been mine at one time (small world). I also had another Tron pro less modded but it played better to me. But I sold it before the price spike. I miss Tron, I have games that are probably better overall but something about Tron is just magic.

Pour one out for my Tron pro. It’s gorgeous and glad it’s still being loved

#4174 55 days ago
Quoted from McDoom:

frankmac are you in for TS4?

Yes I am.

#4175 55 days ago
Quoted from delt31:

Pour one out for my Tron pro. It’s gorgeous and glad it’s still being loved

Pins should come with a logbook with all the owners and locations they’ve been.

#4176 55 days ago

I saw Jack Danger said these ramps are wide open. The gameplay video JJP put out showed the player obviously a great player but he just made any shot he wanted and endless outlane kickback. I wonder if they deliberately made an easy to shoot kid friendly pin. Not that that’s a bad thing but I do prefer harder games that kick my butt.

#4177 55 days ago
Quoted from rai:

Pins should come with a logbook with all the owners and locations they’ve been.

Cool idea, that would be trivial for the software folks to implement...

#4178 55 days ago
Quoted from zh2oson:

I believe a rising tide lifts all [pinball machines] boats!

Ones things for sure ….

Rising NIB prices raise all pin prices.

rd

#4179 55 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

It’s one thing to try and make valid points,but your post is just childish

Uh.......it was a joke pointed towards my bud Derek more so than the game?

#4180 55 days ago
Quoted from rotordave:

Ones things for sure ….
Rising NIB prices raise all pin prices.
rd

Well RD, one way to look at it is despite rising pinball prices and all the complaining and whining, can you imagine what would happen if prices started going down?

Like a bunch of stuck pigs squealing and complaining that their “collection value” is on its way down like their 401ks which have turned into 201ks now.

So people should be happy that the pinball market is so healthy that it can absorb this huge increase versus the alternative.

Glass half full

#4181 55 days ago
Quoted from wesman:

Uh.......it was a joke pointed towards my bud Derek more so than the game?

Didn’t realize that sorry

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#4182 55 days ago

When JJP first started, I was a BIG fan. I've only bought WOZECLE and POTCLE. I passed on the other titles because they didn't appeal to me. JJP stood for innovation back in those early days.

I've never been a big fan of Stern pins...the cost cutting that they do just turned me off...

I never thought I'd find myself saying this...You get more "bang for your buck" with Stern these days. I'm REALLY enjoying my Rush premium. At a cost saving of $3k compared to TS4, it's a no-brainer that Stern provides a better product.

My favorite is still anything that CGC makes. That's why I have a CCRLE on order.

I miss the old JJP.

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#4183 55 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Didn’t realize that sorry

No problem friend!

I miss the soundscape from David Thiel. We all do.

The lack of a uniform sense of sound design does hurt my appreciation for Wonka, more than any other element though. Nothing blends, sounds cut in/cut off, and kind of blare over one another in a way that feels nauseatingly overstimulating. I wish I didn't feel that way. It was maybe the one aspect that kept me away from that, now very sensibly priced SE....

The balance is POTC is just so, so damn ideal, it gets in my brain at times, even more so than DI or Hobbit. It's a part of POTC which isn't praised nearly enough, I feel!

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#4184 55 days ago

I think I am backing out of my CE. I just can’t get over the screen, cake toppers and lack of any ingenuity. I don’t think this one is for me.

#4185 55 days ago
Quoted from indypinhead:

When JJP first started, I was a BIG fan.
I miss the old JJP.

Well, they don’t miss us. And that’s the problem.

#4186 55 days ago
Quoted from rai:

Pins should come with a logbook with all the owners and locations they’ve been.

Quoted from snaroff:

Cool idea, that would be trivial for the software folks to implement...

So you're saying every Pinball should have it's own NFT? Sure that'll happen soon enough.

#4187 55 days ago
Quoted from MaxAMillion:

I think I am backing out of my CE. I just can’t get over the screen, cake toppers and lack of any ingenuity. I don’t think this one is for me.

I think you may be listening to the MOANority a bit too much. Do what is right for you. This hobby is after all what is right for you and your family. I think the price is the main thing stopping sales. People are struggling to justify the value, me included.

#4188 55 days ago
Quoted from Faust:

Now I think about it, I think the 3 mins may not be enough time to actually check out on a website with your purchase, but sold out under 15 mins I believe.
And selling 1250/5000 LE’s on day one is a big achievement for JJP. And that with Mirco playfields!!! From this we can learn that the complaints on Pinside are not representative for the majority if their buyers. By that I mean, many people said tg

Ok fair enough they can say anything, but a quick call to distributor here will quickly give you the answer: ‘longgg time sold out’. There were long lists with buyers a long time before the actual release, so all the available games they could sell twice, maybe more. If you want one now you are at the bottom of the list.
So CE’s sold out all 1000 I believe.
The LE is a different story, that one will not sell out really fast I think.

Thanks for the reply, but the supposed “sell out” was to distributors, not the end customer. There were tons of people on the various lists at distributors for years, since we all knew it was coming, but most all those people have or are cancelling. Not discovered until now its TS4, the least liked movie from the series and the fact that TS4 is almost empty, with a super low BOM. Not like the JJP machines of the long ago past. Plus using an Amazon low priced tablet covering much of the PF, playing digital pinball games, just doesn’t give kinetic physical pinball satisfaction. The tablet pinball software for example, could be purchased from an App Store for a few dollars. These are just a few reasons, many people are cancelling orders all over the place. Plus the extreme high costs of the machine, with not much to show for that high MSRP. All adds up to having a glut on the market in the future, being sold at fire sale prices. It could have been so much more, that’s the sad part.

#4189 55 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

I think you may be listening to the MOANority a bit too much. Do what is right for you. This hobby is after all what is right for you and your family. I think the price is the main thing stopping sales. People are struggling to justify the value, me included.

Yep it’s so much money and I just don’t see the value. Not even any custom toy sculptures, just cake toppers. IDK I feel like this is a cash grab game.

#4190 55 days ago
Quoted from indypinhead:

When JJP first started, I was a BIG fan. I've only bought WOZECLE and POTCLE. I passed on the other titles because they didn't appeal to me. JJP stood for innovation back in those early days.
I've never been a big fan of Stern pins...the cost cutting that they do just turned me off...
I never thought I'd find myself saying this...You get more "bang for your buck" with Stern these days. I'm REALLY enjoying my Rush premium. At a cost saving of $3k compared to TS4, it's a no-brainer that Stern provides a better product.
My favorite is still anything that CGC makes. That's why I have a CCRLE on order.
I miss the old JJP.

I couldn't agree more. I was looking forward to Toy Story for years, but then my Rush arrived and I'm SO glad I bought it instead.

I was actually in on a WOZ the moment Jack announced he was building "something" years ago, simply due to the fact that he wanted to make 90's era wide-body games full of toys and mechs. I always thought Sterns were way too cheap and not worth the money, and I figured I'd have a room full of glorious JJP's at this point. But that idea is long gone.

I love what Stern is making these days, and Rush is the best game I own. Period.

#4191 55 days ago

CE's have lost value already?

Guessing this is for an LE (typo)...

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137273

#4192 55 days ago

This guy is unboxing and doing gameplay

https://www.twitch.tv/ky1ebasa

#4193 55 days ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

CE's have lost value already?
Guessing this is for an LE (typo)...
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137273

Did you read it?!?!?

#4194 55 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

It’s one thing to try and make valid points,but your post is just childish

Classic.

#4195 55 days ago
Quoted from MaxAMillion:

Yep it’s so much money and I just don’t see the value. Not even any custom toy sculptures, just cake toppers. IDK I feel like this is a cash grab game.

Toys, Sculptures and Mechs do not bother us as long as the game is good. I feel like this is a cash grab too.

#4196 55 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

Toys, Sculptures and Mechs do not bother us as long as the game is good. I feel like this is a cash grab too.

There will always be the group of peoples whom's childhood was ruined by a release; it's unavoidable these days.

#4197 55 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Thanks for the reply, but the supposed “sell out” was to distributors, not the end customer. There was tons of people on the list at distributors for years, since we all knew it was coming, but most of all those people have or are cancelling. Not discovered until now its TS4, the least liked movie from the series and the fact that TS4 is all most empty, with a super low BOM. Not like the JJP machines of the long ago past. Plus an Amazon low priced tablet covering much of the PF, playing digital pinball game, instead of a real upper PF, which software could be purchased from an App Store for a few dollars. These are just a few reasons of the many of why people are cancelling all over the place, plus the extreme costs of the machine, with not much to show for that high MSRP. All adds up to having a glut on the market in the future being sold at fire sale prices. It could have been so much more, that’s the sad part.

Give it a rest.

#4198 55 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

There will always be the group of peoples whom's childhood was ruined by a release; it's unavoidable these days.

Ha ha.... you mean the 50 year old + children!

#4199 55 days ago

Game is fine but still think the sizzle video is a just odd.

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#4200 55 days ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

I think you may be listening to the MOANority a bit too much. Do what is right for you. This hobby is after all what is right for you and your family. I think the price is the main thing stopping sales. People are struggling to justify the value, me included.

Value?

We can all see the direction that JJP is taking. It's all about profit. Ever since the "bean counters" stepped in, JJP isn't the same company. That's truly a shame.

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