Ok, would saying 'all CEs are spoken for' satisfy your need to split hairs over this?

Everyone understands the point about deposits vs paid invoices - it doesn't change the availability topic for the title or that JJP has the buyers lined up.

This argument is splitting hairs to try to defend some tiny ground that is meaningless.

I personally find that statement dumb.

Not everything needs mass appeal to be good...

Country, Rap, Punk, edm & Rock music are all divisive. There is a large population that loves those types of music and a large population that hates them. Does that really mean that their bad?

Is Pop the only good music because that is the most popular?

Of course not.

Agreed. That why almost all movies suck these days. Gotta make everything have mass appeal. It just turns everything bland.

My LE out for delivery tomorrow, didn't see any charges either until they emailed to confirm it was ready to ship... JJP -> AL $460 for FedEx freight...

Wonder what Pat thinks of Rudy 2.0?

Side note, just got Rudy 2.0 and think its great and hilarious. WE need more comedy in pinball. Someone mentioned earlier as a joke Police Academy 4 pinball. This would be hilarious as well. Proctor!

Higher quality art and animations. Nail that and the right license and you won’t be able to build them fast enough.

Jealous! CEs not going on the line until Fall

Couldn't disagree more. We all love the sounds on our Wonka. Even the slingshots have sound. Every detail considered by the JJP team. And exactly why we're in for TS4

I stand corrected this sounds JUST LIKE Wonka and TS4. /s

You're probably a Windows guy...

Aye yes, the sweet sounds of Wonka. (LoooooooL).

I see you are collecting all the JJP CE’s, can't be mad at that.

Was discussing this with a friend earlier. What if the "iPad" in the game was originally going to be a toy? As it sits, it's tilted to the left as if to throw airballs off to the left ramp with consistency.

Instead of it being just a screen, what if early on in the design stages the jump ramp was originally designed to be over to the left and the touchscreen was impact sensitive? Then in theory some carnival games could be played WITH the screen instead of the screen being a giant area of redundancy? Imagine milk bottles, darts, skee ball, tic-tac-toe...etc. all played by how you fly the ball onto the screen? That would've been a ridiculously cool and innovative way to integrate a screen into a game, especially one carnival themed.

Of course this is purely 100% speculative and 99% probably way off the mark. I still just can't imagine a Toy Story pin where cake toppers and rehashed "mini-mechs" would bring justice to the title and the preferred path of choice.

Is the spinning wheel Illuminated from the bottom?

It’s one thing to try and make valid points,but your post is just childish

Your hairs must be the size of 2x4s if what I’m saying counts as splitting them. My quoted price from my dealer was 16.5k plus tax, so $18,150. I declined, but am still open to the CE or LE once I get some time on it. My point is that in a potentially large speculative market all the CEs being spoken for (which we still don’t know is true) may not equate to them all being sold upon launch. Then if they are sold, at what price and to whom.

Splitting hairs would be my opinion that I prefer callouts from a single narrator rather than 3, even though I like all 3 individually in this case.

frankmac are you in for TS4?

I just played it at Enterrium. It’s terrific. As an owner of Wonka, GnR, WOZ and a host of other non-JJ machines, I can honestly say that this machine is a blast to play, has really great value for the coin dropper, and has major legs for an owner. It’s not “simple” - as some have argued. It is, however, not a ball stealer either. I loved it. Got to talk with JJ’s representative who was there making sure everything was running smoothly — and it was.

I've bought games that I immediately LOVED;
I've bought games that I initially HATED;
I've grown bored of games in a home setting that I swore I'd never sell;
I've hung onto games that were impulse-buys because they grew on me.

I'm not an absolutist about anything in the pinball world because sometimes it takes me forever to decide how I feel about a game. And then, I'm just as likely to change my mind after another dozen games on a machine.

I hope this game is really fun to play because I believe a rising tide lifts all [pinball machines] boats! If it ends up disappointing me, I'll sell it and move on to something else. If I end up loving it, I'll eventually get antsy, sell it, and move on to something else.

And the pinball is the same price also

Pour one out for my Tron pro. It’s gorgeous and glad it’s still being loved

Yes I am.

Pins should come with a logbook with all the owners and locations they’ve been.

I saw Jack Danger said these ramps are wide open. The gameplay video JJP put out showed the player obviously a great player but he just made any shot he wanted and endless outlane kickback. I wonder if they deliberately made an easy to shoot kid friendly pin. Not that that’s a bad thing but I do prefer harder games that kick my butt.

Cool idea, that would be trivial for the software folks to implement...

Ones things for sure ….

Rising NIB prices raise all pin prices.

rd

Well RD, one way to look at it is despite rising pinball prices and all the complaining and whining, can you imagine what would happen if prices started going down?

Like a bunch of stuck pigs squealing and complaining that their “collection value” is on its way down like their 401ks which have turned into 201ks now.

So people should be happy that the pinball market is so healthy that it can absorb this huge increase versus the alternative.

Glass half full

Didn’t realize that sorry

When JJP first started, I was a BIG fan. I've only bought WOZECLE and POTCLE. I passed on the other titles because they didn't appeal to me. JJP stood for innovation back in those early days.

I've never been a big fan of Stern pins...the cost cutting that they do just turned me off...

I never thought I'd find myself saying this...You get more "bang for your buck" with Stern these days. I'm REALLY enjoying my Rush premium. At a cost saving of $3k compared to TS4, it's a no-brainer that Stern provides a better product.

My favorite is still anything that CGC makes. That's why I have a CCRLE on order.

I miss the old JJP.

I think I am backing out of my CE. I just can’t get over the screen, cake toppers and lack of any ingenuity. I don’t think this one is for me.

Well, they don’t miss us. And that’s the problem.

So you're saying every Pinball should have it's own NFT? Sure that'll happen soon enough.

I think you may be listening to the MOANority a bit too much. Do what is right for you. This hobby is after all what is right for you and your family. I think the price is the main thing stopping sales. People are struggling to justify the value, me included.

Thanks for the reply, but the supposed “sell out” was to distributors, not the end customer. There were tons of people on the various lists at distributors for years, since we all knew it was coming, but most all those people have or are cancelling. Not discovered until now its TS4, the least liked movie from the series and the fact that TS4 is almost empty, with a super low BOM. Not like the JJP machines of the long ago past. Plus using an Amazon low priced tablet covering much of the PF, playing digital pinball games, just doesn’t give kinetic physical pinball satisfaction. The tablet pinball software for example, could be purchased from an App Store for a few dollars. These are just a few reasons, many people are cancelling orders all over the place. Plus the extreme high costs of the machine, with not much to show for that high MSRP. All adds up to having a glut on the market in the future, being sold at fire sale prices. It could have been so much more, that’s the sad part.

Yep it’s so much money and I just don’t see the value. Not even any custom toy sculptures, just cake toppers. IDK I feel like this is a cash grab game.

I couldn't agree more. I was looking forward to Toy Story for years, but then my Rush arrived and I'm SO glad I bought it instead.

I was actually in on a WOZ the moment Jack announced he was building "something" years ago, simply due to the fact that he wanted to make 90's era wide-body games full of toys and mechs. I always thought Sterns were way too cheap and not worth the money, and I figured I'd have a room full of glorious JJP's at this point. But that idea is long gone.

I love what Stern is making these days, and Rush is the best game I own. Period.

CE's have lost value already?

Guessing this is for an LE (typo)...

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137273

This guy is unboxing and doing gameplay

https://www.twitch.tv/ky1ebasa

Did you read it?!?!?

Classic.

Toys, Sculptures and Mechs do not bother us as long as the game is good. I feel like this is a cash grab too.

There will always be the group of peoples whom's childhood was ruined by a release; it's unavoidable these days.

Give it a rest.

Ha ha.... you mean the 50 year old + children!

Game is fine but still think the sizzle video is a just odd.

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Value?

We can all see the direction that JJP is taking. It's all about profit. Ever since the "bean counters" stepped in, JJP isn't the same company. That's truly a shame.