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JJP Toy Story (any rumor confirmations?)

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#4051 52 days ago

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?

Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.

As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.

The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

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#4052 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?
Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.
As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.
The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

There's already a 27" LCD in the backbox for 100's of possibilities! Yes myself and many others would have preferred a larger mechanical toy in that area versus a 10" iPad. This is $12k+ for what is supposed to be a mechanical pinball machine, another LCD screen is anything but mechanical. Typically mini LCD screens compliment a game as a small feature versus being a primary feature. I'm in the process of buying a full size virtual pinball, that's fine for that purpose as it's supposed to be digital, real pinball should be more mechanical.

The pinball community would have gone nuts in a good way if that 10" screen was instead a 10" mechanical mini pinball machine, Family Guy mini pinball 2.0. That or a different custom mechanical mech would have been more expensive so the reason is pretty clear why an LCD screen is being used in that area...it's cheaper.

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#4053 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?
Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.
As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.
The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

It's pretty common for pinball enthusiasts to prefer one giant awesome mech over an extra lcd screen. JJP could have kept the mini games on the giant back box screen and given fans an amazing mech. And I'm new to the hobby saying this.

#4054 52 days ago

So lots of dealers with LE's for July delivery, does that mean JJP did not hit this one out of the park? Oh I should have clarified July of 2022

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#4055 52 days ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Really good assessment. Thanks for your review and opinion! It’s plain to see what you’re saying is true.

Alright you can go do something else now!Damn man get a life already.I didn’t get this worked up when Stern fucked up my favorite band pin so badly!Led Zeppelin

#4056 52 days ago
Quoted from jorant:

I may get moderated for this one... but here it goes:
Look. We've all been around a long time. We can usually spot a good game before we play it and a bad game before we play it. Like, if somebody showed you gay porn and you were like, "no thank you, that looks terrible to me," and somebody said "well, you really have to try it first..." would you? There are certain things you can just tell you would hate without actually doing it.

Moderated on not, this comment is unnecessary amongst other things

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#4057 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?
Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.
As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.
The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

Yes I would. I don't need another fucking screen in my life. My phone has a screen. I have numerous tablets in my house. Computer screen. TV screen. Go to order food somewhere, good chance you are ordering it on a screen. Self checkout at any store...on a screen. All of my cars have screens in them. I don't want extra screens in my pinball if it means it takes up space for something that could be much cooler.

#4058 52 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Alright you can go do something else now!Damn man get a life already.I didn’t get this worked up when Stern fucked up my favorite band pin so badly!Led Zeppelin

No you just get worked up when someone criticizes your beloved JJP. Is romulsux actually Jack's burner account?

#4059 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?
Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.
As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.
The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

How is this offering 100 more gameplay options with endless opportunities? The information on the 10" LCD could clearly be displayed on the main 27" LCD.

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#4060 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?

People already have phones and tables for those "100 more gameplay options" - the thing that makes pinball what it is, is the physical game. Even the P3 (with it's giant LCD playfield) understands that the back third is better when there are physical mechs - things for the ball to do.

#4061 52 days ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:There's already a 27" LCD in the backbox for 100's of possibilities! Yes myself and many others would have preferred a larger mechanical toy in that area versus a 10" iPad. This is $12k+ for what is supposed to be a mechanical pinball machine, another LCD screen is anything but mechanical. Typically mini LCD screens compliment a game as a small feature versus being a primary feature. I'm in the process of buying a full size virtual pinball, that's fine for that purpose as it's supposed to be digital, real pinball should be more mechanical.
The pinball community would have gone nuts in a good way if that 10" screen was instead a 10" mechanical mini pinball machine, Family Guy mini pinball 2.0. That or a different custom mechanical mech would have been more expensive so the reason is pretty clear why an LCD screen is being used in that area...it's cheaper.

I agree. If I wanted a video game, I’d go to chucky cheese! Most people want a mechanical masterpiece.

#4062 52 days ago
Quoted from Palmer:

No you just get worked up when someone criticizes your beloved JJP. Is romulsux actually Jack's burner account?

Alright man let’s get this straight.
I watched whe Jack came out and set pinball on a new trajectory.
So yes I cheered them on when they were creative like WOZ and Dialed In but I’m not happy with the new JJP’s direction.The thing I do not like is when Stern fans spend so much time on a JJP product thread repeating the same negative shit over and over again!I was upset about what Stern had did to LZ I made the point and moved on!
I guess your attempt to cancel me didn’t work so now your just falling back on this JJP fan shit!

#4063 52 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Alright man let’s get this straight.
I watched whe Jack came out and set pinball on a new trajectory.
So yes I cheered them on when they were creative like WOZ and Dialed In but I’m not happy with the new JJP’s direction.The thing I do not like is when Stern fans spend so much time on a JJP product thread repeating the same negative shit over and over again!I was upset about what Stern had did to LZ I made the point and moved on!
I guess your attempt to cancel me didn’t work so now your just falling back on this JJP fan shit!

Lol no one is trying to cancel you. Maybe rile you up since it is so easy. As much as you are sick of negative comments, there is also a lot of people sick of you telling everyone to move on. Pinside is a discussion forum. If you don't like how the discussion is going, then it's really easy for you to remove yourself from the discussion instead of asking everyone else to stop making comments. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like LZ either.

#4064 52 days ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

People already have phones and tables for those "100 more gameplay options" - the thing that makes pinball what it is, is the physical game. Even the P3 (with it's giant LCD playfield) understands that the back third is better when there are physical mechs - things for the ball to do.

WHAT?! You mean everyone with a DialedIn isn't flipping the pinball on their phone. Was so groundbreaking!
Actually was a semi-cool idea that had zero chance of being a thing people would want to do regularly.

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#4065 52 days ago

Paying Tim Allen for the voice work is what made this expensive.

I bet they paid over $100k to fly him out for that.

Could have been $9k for an LE if they didn't pay for this.

#4066 52 days ago

The entire appeal of pinball machines to me is the mechanical nature. I don’t play them to look at a screen. I could live with the theming of just being 4 if there was a cool toy instead of a gigantic iPad screen.

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#4067 52 days ago
Quoted from Palmer:

Lol no one is trying to cancel you. Maybe rile you up since it is so easy. As much as you are sick of negative comments, there is also a lot of people sick of you telling everyone to move on. Pinside is a discussion forum. If you don't like how the discussion is going, then it's really easy for you to remove yourself from the discussion instead of asking everyone else to stop making comments. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like LZ either.

Typical response to try and gaslight the person you can’t actually read and comprehend what their saying.

Did you even read what I said about JJP?

#4068 52 days ago

Grown men coming on a forum to play Quién es más macho over pinball machines baffles me

#4069 52 days ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

So lots of dealers with LE's for July delivery, does that mean JJP did not hit this one out of the park? Oh I should have clarified July of 2022

It means they way overpriced the game for what is in it. While it still looks fun to shoot there just has to be way more in the game for the entry level of 12k. Many people will pass on price alone and then you have the playfield warranty debacle.

#4070 52 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

It’s shorthand to describe an aesthetic.
-Drag & drop library sound FX
-Shrill annoying sound FX
-Shitty synth music
David Thiel & Jerry Thompson are making music digitally, but you wouldn’t know it as their music sounds like real orchestras & instruments. It’s professional, rich, compelling. Their sound effects are well thought out, pleasant, unique, and well mixed. Wonka & TS have an unfinished temp style synth soundtrack & rando annoying sounds - that is common on apps & slots. The guy who does their music - his resume is, guess what: apps & slots.

Wonka’s a really good game. When people come over to my house they almost immediately go to Wonka or at least play it a few times before they leave. It's more than likely my family's favorite as well.

I've heard people say plenty of times it's the best JJP machine out there and I have to agree it might be, I've played them all.

The theme integration is there with the modes, art, good use of the license, etc, etc. The toys are pretty cool too, and the sound is better than decent, with plenty of movie call-outs, etc.

I'm shortly arriving at the point where I'm going to have to make some room if I want additional games. I've considered Wonka as one of the games to let go but every time right after I play it I always say, I'm keeping this game which I more than likely will.

With that being said, TS4 isn't Wonka at all.

IMO, TS4 appears to be a watered-down Wonka clone mixed with no good golfers, with an Amazon fire tablet slapped on the upper playfield. (No thank you).

I would never pay 15k for TS4 or 12 or even 9k. It honestly doesn't do anything for me. (I haven't played it and I'm not too interested at this point).

While I'm at it, I'm done placing non-refundable deposits down on these expensive toys. I've rolled the dice enough!!

For me to invest this type of money into your products in the future, it better be worth it!! This Sir is not.

#4071 52 days ago
Quoted from McDoom:

Wonka’s a really good game. When people come over to my house they almost immediately go to Wonka or at least play it a few times before they leave. It's more than likely my family's favorite as well.
I've heard people say plenty of times it's the best JJP machine out there and I have to agree it might be, I've played them all.
The theme integration is there with the modes, art, good use of the license, etc, etc. The toys are pretty cool too, and the sound is better than decent, with plenty of movie call-outs, etc.
I'm shortly arriving at the point where I'm going to have to make some room if I want additional games. I've considered Wonka as one of the games to let go but every time right after I play it I always say, I'm keeping this game which I more than likely will.
With that being said, TS4 isn't Wonka at all.
IMO, TS4 appears to be a watered-down Wonka clone mixed with no good golfers, with an Amazon fire tablet slapped on the upper playfield. (No thank you).
I would never pay 15k for TS4 or 12 or even 9k. It honestly doesn't do anything for me. (I haven't played it and I'm not too interested at this point).
While I'm at it, I'm done placing non-refundable deposits down on these expensive toys. I've rolled the dice enough!!
For me to invest this type of money into your products in the future, it better be worth it!! This Sir is not.

I totally agree Wonka is a great game and we need to call JJP out on this new direction they are headed!
I’m sure this is all about the new owners and the bean counters!
This game should’ve been their beat work and they blew it.If Disney said you have to do TS4 they could’ve said no! Collectors wanted TS 1,2or 3
and they wanted certain mechs and characters and they got nothin!

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#4072 52 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

I totally agree Wonka is a great game and we need to call JJP out on this new direction they are headed!
I’m sure this is all about the new owners and the bean counters!

Poor Steve Ritchie, leaves Stern for JJP to have a bigger BOM and then this happens. So clear that JJP doesn't have the team that Stern has. Stern is pulling it all together and JJP seems to be losing it's way.

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#4073 52 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Poor Steve Ritchie, leaves Stern for JJP to have a bigger BOM and then this happens. So clear that JJP doesn't have the team that Stern has. Stern is pulling it all together and JJP seems to be losing it's way.

Do you work at Stern or over invested in their company or do you just love taking a side and hope the other team goes out of business?

#4074 52 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

Poor Steve Ritchie, leaves Stern for JJP to have a bigger BOM and then this happens. So clear that JJP doesn't have the team that Stern has. Stern is pulling it all together and JJP seems to be losing it's way.

I couldn't agree more.

Quoted from romulusx:

Do you work at Stern or over invested in their company or do you just love taking a side and hope the other team goes out of business?

So did u purchase TS4?

#4075 52 days ago

I don't get all the hate on Pat. The game looks to shoot butter smooth. For fun and approachable games, he's the best in the world. The real issue is Katz and other people helping with rules. I can't think of a single jjp machine with great rules. DI could have been good had they addressed the terrible flaws...

That said, the Mirco dice role vs price is crazy. And the slot machine sounds are brutal as always. They hired a sound company instead of the slot guy, yet the slot sounds remain.... Weird. Maybe they actually desire such off-putting audio. The mismatch with gnr is far worse, but still...

Looks like most jjp machines: a fun shooter with crap rules and crap sound and potential pf issues. Zzzzzzz

#4076 52 days ago

Obviously some of us are not the intended market for this game and won't own one

Couple of these are already available for play locally.. That is a very cool accomplishment.

The roll out seems to be going smooth any word on state of the code?

I certainly plan on playing this Friday at CP pinball near St. Louis. Despite it not being designed
for me I still look forward to checking it out.

#4077 52 days ago

I was surprised to see Jack Danger post a video of his game play on youtube. Awesome that he did that, many companies would frown upon an employee posting video/content related to a competitor.

#4078 52 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?
Time to move on old-timer. The future is knocking on your door.
As most have already said, that screen should've been an Etch-a-Sketch, or a rip off version, something like Draw-a-Score. It needed to be dressed up as a TOY!!! The stunt biker is very obviously the Evel Knieval toy I had as a kid. So just make up a new version of Etch-a-Sketch, with fake twisty buttons on it.
The fact that it looks like a first generation I-Pad is a terrible design choice.

A unique mech is innovation, an LCD screen is visual pinball at best, but a hell of a lot smaller. Furthermore the idea could have been implemented taking up a ton less space. By placing it the way they did, they in fact cut out 20% of the workload. The LCD screen is the one "feature" that really sticks out as a miss to me. Does it kill the whole pin? No. Does it lower the innovation score, absolutely. The LCD was a cheap and safe route.....symptom of the times we are in when VC is in play. Mechs require $ and risk.

#4079 52 days ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

I couldn't agree more.

So did u purchase TS4?

Hell no I can’t afford this game at this price!If it had been the game we all expected I would’ve possibly sold on of my gold titles to afford it.

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#4080 52 days ago

Pat Lawlor in the SDTM video:

"We knew early on that the game would be played not just by hardcore pinball people, but there would be families who would buy the game who would never usually have a pinball machine and that there would be a lot of, shall we say, kids who would walk up to this game and want to play it based on the subject matter."

Translation: We could scale back the BOM because there's a new market of buyers who won't know the difference.

#4081 52 days ago

Jack Danger draw’s people into pinball period, regardless the manufacturer. Stern knows thats good for them and everything else pinball. I’m pretty sure he’s mentioned that on his channel.

Of course it doesn’t hurt that they provide him with most all of the machines in his studio and that’s mainly what he streams the majority of the time.

Jacks a cool dude. I’ve met him several times beside yesterday. I bought him a beer this time around and played GNR with him. Very cool.

I threw out an invite to him to my humble pinball gathering with our small pinball group next week.

He probably thought I was a stalker or something
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#4082 52 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Do you work at Stern or over invested in their company or do you just love taking a side and hope the other team goes out of business?

No I don't work @ Stern...they couldn't afford me I worked @ NeXT/Apple for 20 years, developing a little language that enabled people to write apps more efficiently.

I've been collecting/restoring/playing pinball for a very long time. This was my dream theme and they f-ed it up. While I can afford anything I want, I don't buy art/pinball/car/whatever that doesn't inspire me. JJP's engineering team isn't firing on all cylinders...sorry if that upsets you! And if they are listening, play better! (as the great SR loves to say when I play AC/DC

Lastly, if you think my "taking a side" might contribute to them going out of business, you might want to consider meditation or therapy. I'm far from an influencer in this space!

#4083 52 days ago

JJP has always promised incredible mechs in their games though starting with Hobbit and that is where they always fall short and all they do is just keep putting bigger displays on the playfield; to me toy story is a huge step down compared to Willy wonka which has way more in it and cost less then toy story 4

#4084 52 days ago
Quoted from musketd:

JJP has always promised incredible mechs in their games though starting with Hobbit and that is where they always fall short and all they do is just keep putting bigger displays on the playfield; to me toy story is a huge step down compared to Willy wonka which has way more in it and cost less then toy story 4

And its not even an Etch A Sketch either.
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#4085 52 days ago
Quoted from snaroff:

I worked @ NeXT/Apple for 20 years, developing a little language that enabled people to right apps more efficiently.

Dude - awesome. I consider that work to be some of the most consequential software development ever. It still powers todays greatest innovations.

I’ve made my living developing on apple technologies and there is a reason my Twitch channel is “NSPinball!”

#4086 52 days ago
Quoted from Vespula:

And its not even an Etch A Sketch either.
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I'm sure someone will make a mod that sits on top of or replaces the current bezel to make it look like a portrait version of an etch-a-sketch.

#4087 52 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Hell no I can’t afford this game at this price!If it had been the game we all expected I would’ve possibly sold on of my gold titles to afford it.

I can totally see that...this was my first JJP pass....on a positive note it appears to shoot smooth, and the powder coated wire forms are nice on the LE. Other than that its just waaaaaaay over priced for what u get. I'm convinced that JJP new business model is reduced BOMS, reduced unit sales, more profit per game, build units for no more than 6 months, and move onto the next title. By reducing the number of units they might be able to keep the units in the field from plummeting value wise?

#4088 52 days ago
Quoted from turbo2nr:

Paying Tim Allen for the voice work is what made this expensive.
I bet they paid over $100k to fly him out for that.
Could have been $9k for an LE if they didn't pay for this.

LOL they didn’t fly him anywhere. He prob has a recording booth at home or went to a sound studio in L.A. Zero reason for a voice actor to go to Chicago to record lines.

#4089 52 days ago

If TS4 has proven anything, it’s that anyone who bought JJP’s POTC for MSRP got it for a steal at that price.

#4090 52 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

LOL they didn’t fly him anywhere. He prob has a recording booth at home or went to a sound studio in L.A. Zero reason for a voice actor to go to Chicago to record lines.

And even if he did fly out... the cost of the flight would be pretty negligible compared to the cost of doing the voice work.

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#4091 52 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I don't get all the hate on Pat. The game looks to shoot butter smooth.

It’s not hate. It’s critique because we’ve seen what he’s capable of. Addams, TZ, FH, RS, etc. even his Stern games with tight budgets had really unique and innovative features and mechs. Nascars track, FGY’s mini pinball, CSI’s skull lock. Pats games are known for having mechs with personality that really bring a game to life. When the guy who made Rudy, Red & Ted, Thing, etc is making Toy Story - you expect that level of magic.

#4092 52 days ago

The price is the price. I’ll agree its expensive but didn’t someone pay $25K for a Tron LE?

It does seem like they’re putting more sparkles and lights instead of pinball toys. I was playing Demo Man the other day and it’s almost surreal to consider that TS4 is costing so much (almost twice as much as Woz EC). Also look at Potc has so much everything but the kitchen sink as they say. But I’m sure TS will be easier to produce and have healthy profits.

People will buy this game no doubt, heck people bought WWE and that’s one of the worst game I’ve ever played.

#4093 51 days ago
Quoted from rai:

The price is the price. I’ll agree its expensive but didn’t someone pay $25K for a Tron LE?

There are 400 Tron LE.
6000 TS4’s

Time, reputation, and rarity dictate an old game’s price…and you don’t have more than a handful paying that. Much different than pricing a new game high & wanting to sell 1000’s.

#4094 51 days ago
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:

So... you'd all prefer a single toy at the back of the playfield rather than a screen that offers 100 more gameplay options, with near endless opportunity for new ideas and updates long into the future?

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#4095 51 days ago
Quoted from rai:

I’ll agree its expensive but didn’t someone pay $25K for a Tron LE?

Don't you dare drag Tron into this thread!

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#4096 51 days ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Alright you can go do something else now!Damn man get a life already.I didn’t get this worked up when Stern fucked up my favorite band pin so badly!Led Zeppelin

Love my LZ. Of course it could have been better but it's still a really fun game.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I don't get all the hate on Pat. The game looks to shoot butter smooth. For fun and approachable games, he's the best in the world. The real issue is Katz and other people helping with rules. I can't think of a single jjp machine with great rules. DI could have been good had they addressed the terrible flaws...
That said, the Mirco dice role vs price is crazy. And the slot machine sounds are brutal as always. They hired a sound company instead of the slot guy, yet the slot sounds remain.... Weird. Maybe they actually desire such off-putting audio. The mismatch with gnr is far worse, but still...
Looks like most jjp machines: a fun shooter with crap rules and crap sound and potential pf issues. Zzzzzzz

That's Pinside.

Game is fine, Pat did a decent job. People need to dump on something so it's TS4 this week.

Quoted from ZoraShinoda:

I was surprised to see Jack Danger post a video of his game play on youtube. Awesome that he did that, many companies would frown upon an employee posting video/content related to a competitor.

He has stated that Stern employment does not effect his streaming of whatever he wants in any way.

#4097 51 days ago
Quoted from turbo2nr:

Paying Tim Allen for the voice work is what made this expensive.
I bet they paid over $100k to fly him out for that.
Could have been $9k for an LE if they didn't pay for this.

lol wat.

Tim Allen has his own recording booth at his shop. They just sent him the lines and he sent the files back. Who TF is flying celebrities out to do call outs? If anything they'd go to him, like what they did back in the day. I doubt his fee was that high either

Quoted from McDoom:

Wonka’s a really good game. When people come over to my house they almost immediately go to Wonka or at least play it a few times before they leave. It's more than likely my family's favorite as well.
I've heard people say plenty of times it's the best JJP machine out there and I have to agree it might be, I've played them all.
The theme integration is there with the modes, art, good use of the license, etc, etc. The toys are pretty cool too, and the sound is better than decent, with plenty of movie call-outs, etc.
I'm shortly arriving at the point where I'm going to have to make some room if I want additional games. I've considered Wonka as one of the games to let go but every time right after I play it I always say, I'm keeping this game which I more than likely will.
With that being said, TS4 isn't Wonka at all.
IMO, TS4 appears to be a watered-down Wonka clone mixed with no good golfers, with an Amazon fire tablet slapped on the upper playfield. (No thank you).
I would never pay 15k for TS4 or 12 or even 9k. It honestly doesn't do anything for me. (I haven't played it and I'm not too interested at this point).
While I'm at it, I'm done placing non-refundable deposits down on these expensive toys. I've rolled the dice enough!!
For me to invest this type of money into your products in the future, it better be worth it!! This Sir is not.

OK cool, but what does that have to do with Wonka (and toy story 4) sounding like a slot machine? They both do.

#4098 51 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Dude - awesome. I consider that work to be some of the most consequential software development ever. It still powers todays greatest innovations.
I’ve made my living developing on apple technologies and there is a reason my Twitch channel is “NSPinball!”

I appreciate that! NSPinball...hilarious. Here is a cool team photo from 5/3/1993...4 years before the NeXT takeover of Apple in 1997

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#4099 51 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

LOL they didn’t fly him anywhere. He prob has a recording booth at home or went to a sound studio in L.A. Zero reason for a voice actor to go to Chicago to record lines.

Not to mention, it would be around 32k to have a charter jet fly from California to Illinois.

#4100 51 days ago
Quoted from rai:

The price is the price. I’ll agree its expensive but didn’t someone pay $25K for a Tron LE?
It does seem like they’re putting more sparkles and lights instead of pinball toys. I was playing Demo Man the other day and it’s almost surreal to consider that TS4 is costing so much (almost twice as much as Woz EC). Also look at Potc has so much everything but the kitchen sink as they say. But I’m sure TS will be easier to produce and have healthy profits.
People will buy this game no doubt, heck people bought WWE and that’s one of the worst game I’ve ever played.

Yes they did...and I sold mine my TRON LE last year for 21k. People pay up for it because there are only ~275 in the US. Also no "Premium" back then. I'm really not a huge fan of the license, but I LOVE the game...have a wildly modded Pro (mostly done by delt31) that actually looks nicer than most LE's. If I didn't have the modded TRON Pro, I wouldn't have let the LE go.

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