The only thing I've seen increase by 8% is a bag of damn ice lol. Everything else is way up like you said.

Yeah I realized this after I posted. I like the snappy flippers Stern provides today but appreciate the flippers from other eras as well. It is part of learning how a machine behaves. My personal preference for new machines is snappy flippers which have been lacking from my recent non-Stern purchases. This is just where I am today and might change tomorrow.

JJP flippers + Stern flipper springs + raising flipper strength + Tibetan Breeze fans = thing of beauty

It might be totally different in 6-12 months. Probably will be unfortunately in some respects. Lotta job loss coming.

Either way, love it or hate this game, it’s a great part of this hobby to be able to express yourself and take a bit of a break from the real world when you get a new game dropping.

Gotta accept some realities in today’s world though.

I’m gonna have fun with it.

Don’t get me wrong, historically JJP LEs have been in a whole different ballpark compared to Stern Prems. Until TS4.

Hope they have learned their lesson. If you can’t/won’t support your customers it’s just a matter of time before it catches up. Might not be this one or the next one

I think that would be a couple grand profit.

Lumber is down quite a bit from January 2021 and a *LOT* from May 2021 (it went from $1480 to $560 per 1000 board feet today).

And housing will crash hard because mortgages are getting a lot more expensive as I type.

So these aren’t driving inflation right now.

The kolaches in West, TX are also still only $1/piece and ALDI totally sabotages inflation with $1 Kinder Buenos. Those were $3.99 not long ago at World Market.

A friend is getting one Sunday. I will let you know my honest thoughts once i play it.

If lumber, electronics, Shipping and labor cost more....why in the wide blue Fk wouldn't toys cost more? What a bonehead comment. I guess I am the problem with the entire economy....printing Trillions of dollars has nothing to do with the dollar being weaker.

What's interesting is that the economy is still adding a lot of jobs (nearly 400k in May) and unemployment is still below 4%. A recession is likely coming, or we are likely already in one, but it may very well just be mild as being predicted by a number of economists. This next recession isn't going to be anything like what we saw in 08 - 09.

Bean and cheese tacos went from .99c to $1.49!

Right? It should have the red and have etch a sketch buttons on it. Man missed opportunity.

Lots of hiring freezes across the board happening now, we are in Q2 of the recession; it will be bad; majority of economists also were saying inflation was transitory 12 months ago...Believe the hype, the next 6 months are going to be rough

I would agree with that. There is a lag in the unemployment numbers. Service sector jobs are up, summer reopening travel stuff, high paying tech jobs are getting hit especially for those with no profits.

The labor market is tight because the participation rate has dropped and people need to come back to ease wage pressures.

The Fed can’t say the quiet part out loud but they will drive a recession to get inflation under control. Watch Powell today.

A “recession” is not the boogeyman and defined as 2 straight quarters of declining GDP growth.

The 2020 Covid recession lasted for 2 months

There could be some black swan events to F it all up. Energy and food crisis gets real. War escalates etc

Hard to have a recession though with tight labor market and the Fed is gonna break that.

Soft or hard landing? That’s the question of the day

You are getting ripped off!!!!!!

As far as I'm concerned, JJP did something amazing for the pinball community by releasing TS4. Could you imagine if they did an amazing TS1 and delivered on everything everyone was asking and begging for? Those things would be selling for $40k and be awful for the community.

I get the good local ones, not Taco Bell, although those combo burritos back in the day were the bomb for me.

You could get a $5 gut pump in college at 2 am. The best.

And I’d have to throw the Jack in the Box Super Tacos as another all time fav!

Soft landing seems unlikely.

Inflation issues are global and European rates are still zero, higher rates won't change supply chain issues or create more oil supplies . Fed is going to have to pound the economy and create unemployment to slow it down. They are miles behind the curve.

I’m afraid that’s right.

Fed can’t affect:

1) the supply side
2) commodity prices
3) war in Ukraine

I’d rather go ahead and rip the band aid off. Get the S&P to 3,000 pre Covid and reset the disaster of spending that lit this fire.

Value over Growth, Dividends, Fortress balance sheets, free cash flow machines, pricing power. Commodities.

Is the market down 23% ytd? Not energy. It’s up over 40%, cheap valuations and big dividends. Best performer in 2021 as well

It’s a global market of supply and demand of which the world has cut off excellent energy sources in favor of “green energy”.

Now they realize the sovereign threat of that mistake.

We will be in a decade long commodity bull market because of the structural worldwide issues with supply and demand.

While Energy now makes up 5% of the S&P 500 market cap, up from 2-3%, it represents 9% of the earnings of the S&P

I do think much of this bad news is already priced in. When the ultimate fear and panic hits again, gotta buy

What does all this mean for pinball? $9 trillion in wealth has already been wiped out this year in the markets. Some here will be happy about that.

Maybe pins are the only business in the world immune to such issues?

F it. Who cares. It fun!

JD is a 1400 dollar game.

TS4 GAMEPLAY IMPRESSIONS:

Watching game play is quite telling. The sounds and music came straight from a slot machine and are nondescript. Can’t tell when one mode ends or another one begins by the music and sounds, that all jumble together. There is no clear understanding of game play through the sounds and few callouts in the game. Name one pinball moment in TS4 game play? There isn’t one, its all jumbled together. Contrast that with Godzilla MB or Mecha MB, sounds, music modes all change accordingly to the mode. Player straight away knows those modes are happening: they’re in the moment.

In Gabby MB could not tell if there was a real change except her head popped up, but no other real difference in the music or sounds. It is so bad Joe K. has to verbally point it all out when it happens, because the code sounds and music do not indicate otherwise. It seems like this game was designed for little girls just like the JJP TS4 video promotes.

Watching JD play TS4, looks as if he’s playing in slow motion. With lots of bricked shots. Could only get one loop shot, even after being challenged by the cameraman to get multiple and Jack D. is a very good player!

Jack D. had a pretty good first ball from what I watched. One ball played. Lol

And the video was weak as shit. Couldn’t see much of anything.

9 minutes? Yep that’s all you need to know

The sounds? They don’t have David Thiel anymore. That’s not optimal I agree

This comment is the dumbest thing said on pinside, every time it comes up for every game.

Only comes up for guilty games and is not dumb when it’s another person’s impression.

What’s a “guilty game”? You are trying to give gameplay impressions on one ball played while not able to see shit.

I mean that is a huge reach Tbird. Nice try though. Lol

You’re only referring to JD, I’m referring to Joe K.s game play. (As far as Joe Ks presentation he did a good job, even though it shows the glaring issues with TS4. Wish all coders would do a video like this.)

That was 12 minutes? And some decent play.

It takes me 50-100 games in to decide if I want to keep hitting start.

This might end up being shit but it might end up being great. I’ll let you know when I get enough time in because my opinion is all that matters to me

As it should always be! As the saying goes, “Buyer Beware”. lol

I’ve been around the block a few times. Win some, lose some.

It’s pinball so hard to lose either way.

They said the same thing, “buyer beware” when I was buying all those Stern LEs.

Seemed dumb then and seems dumb now.

The flippers (I mean the actual flippers) seem to be like every other JJP game. Thinking about pricing, what is the difference if Toy Story CE is 15K, if Wonka CE machines are going for 15K?

Like I mentioned, I think Jersey Jack missed out on not having a standard at 9K for this machine.

The flippers (I mean the actual flippers) seem to be like every other JJP game. Thinking about pricing, what is the difference if Toy Story CE is 15K, if Wonka CE machines are going for 15K?</

Logic doesn’t matter Aaron! Come on.

People just can’t accept where the market is really at today. Might change tomorrow.

Trust JJP? Nope. But why Trust Stern either? So just buy what you like

LOL

This same stupid comment was levied at Wonka. "The sounds were ripped from the Wonka slot machine" "The audio engineer is a slot machine engineer"

I remember pulling up Wonka slot machine videos and they sounded nothing at all like the Wonka pin.

Pinside always gonna pinside things.

For me WOZ & Wonka sound like I'm walking through a casino. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hmmm, someone has a bad attitude about others opinions it appears. Have some class and stop calling others comments, stupid.

Exactly the same impression most everyone gets hearing TS4.

Just watched Dead Flip play Toy Story 4
OMG! I want to play Tiki Party!!

"I don't like the sound package" is a valid subjective opinion.

"It sounds like a slot machine" is parroting Pinside BS talking points.

In my opinion they're both opinions.

It is an effective way to describe the problem.

In his defense it kinda does....I wish JJP would use the spinner sounds they used on JP

I genuinely disagree, respectfully. Here's why.

If you want something changed, you need to be able to articulate the problem.

"It sounds like a slot machine" is vague, nonspecific, and when compared side by side with a slotmachine provably untrue leaving the developer nothing to fix.

Now, in Cary's hatefest video, he specifically pointed out a shrill spinner bell sound that irritated him. Ok that's an actionable talking point. If a lot of people come to the same conclusion, perhaps a softer sound or volume/pitch change will take the edge off. Or even an option "disable spinner bell" if it's truly a thing.

Watching the gameplay vid, I think what people are reacting to is that the sfx are such a frantic mish-mash of random cartoony sounds, there's really nothing else to compare it to except a row of different video slots all hitting different combos and payouts non-stop.

This was also a criticism of Wonka. People didn't understand why all these callouts from all these different characters were going on.
Once you understand the rules, those specific callouts are communicating status to you for kid progress and such.

All this stuff is done with purpose, it's not randomly thrown into a blender. THe purpose may not be immediately apparent until you spend some time with the game.

Very true…and I think TS4 is designed purposely to been much more accessible to the casual player…so much so that the designers spent a big chunk of the SDTM featurette on the MEET ME AT THE CAROUSEL Wizard mode….clearly this Wizard is intended to be seen and played by even casual players and is something very unique…Pure Imagination by contrast was nearly impossible to access and moreover once accessed it was a relatively short mode…I guarantee the Wizard Mode in TS4 is going to be something much much more elaborate and impressive (not to mention ACCESSIBLE!)….

If your trying to get the I hate TS4 and JJP games you made you point already,like your last 30 post for gods sake. Move on!Isn't there a Stern game you can find fault on one of their threads?Its like you and a few others are out to destroy them for some reason?WTF enough already move along!

Spent 3 hours playing it at Great American Pinball tonight. It's a blast, I came in with negative vibes about it and that went away after the first plunge. This game has great shots, the music and lights are engaging and pull you in and the call outs are Woody and Buzz. For a game that just came out the code is already solid, this isn't a "drop the game and let them update the code" situation, we had a blast and I wish I didn't have to work tomorrow or I'd still be playing it. Bravo to JJP and Pat, this game is a great time

Anyone who was complaining that they couldn’t hear the difference between modes needs to have their hearing checked….the difference in modes is more than obvious in this video….and this video was shot with a phone…

As a fan of TS 1-3, hoping after all the updates it works out, but with such a barren play field, its hard to imagine how it’s going to get any better. Still baffled as to who the real target market is, if its not just for little girls or granddaughters? Maybe people who like casino hoping is the target buyers? Lol

You gotta get over this little girl thing.