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JJP Toy Story (any rumor confirmations?)

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#3751 58 days ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Not a single person on this thread has seen this game in person. No one has touched it... or flipped it. Yet, the amount of grown-adult tantrum outbursts and foot stomping is topping the charts, even for this crazy website.
Hilarious. Well done, Pinside. You've outdone yourself!

Zach said he flipped it and was fun plus the code was there in the comments of his Youtube video.

#3752 58 days ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

I really don't get how this pin sold out that fast, I really don't. But that's my opinion

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#3753 58 days ago
Quoted from jfh:

I hope this isn’t the beginning of the end for JJP

Yeah they only raked in 15 mil yesterday let's pray they hold on.

#3754 58 days ago

We should have our game on route this week for those who want to actually play sone pinball

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#3755 58 days ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

I feel like I owe the designers and JJP an apology. Why? Well I had expectations that were maybe not practical AND JJP probably can't say anything about it. This is what happens when you work with a company like Disney. They are control freaks. So maybe we need to back off the TS4 vs. TS1-3 bashing just a bit?

I can buy a Toy Story cuckoo clock from the Bradford Exchange for $220. Toy Story, not Toy Story 4. Issued in 2018. There are thousands of licensed Toy Story products, from bedsheets to underwear. Unless someone from JJP wants to step forward and say they were forced into a Toy Story 4 license, at gun point, I ain't buying into this theory.

Toy Story Wall Clock

#3756 58 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

We should have our game on route this week for those who want to actually play sone pinball

Ocelot?

#3757 58 days ago

The place to be!

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#3758 58 days ago
Quoted from beltking:

Zach said he flipped it and was fun

I wonder how many here have been around long enough to remember when Jersey Jack was a Stern distributor, and the running gag for every new game was "Jack played it, he likes it!"

Jack, Zach. "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes." - Mark Twain

#3759 58 days ago
Quoted from Amused_to_Death:

I can buy a Toy Story cuckoo clock from the Bradford Exchange for $220. Toy Story, not Toy Story 4. Issued in 2018. There are thousands of licensed Toy Story products, from bedsheets to underwear. Unless someone from JJP wants to step forward and say they were forced into a Toy Story 4 license, at gun point, I ain't buying into this theory.
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That's Toy Story 2 characters dude.

#3760 58 days ago

Looks like Toy Story 6 to me. Oh wait it's a clock.

#3761 58 days ago
Quoted from yancy:

Look like Toy Story 6 to me. Oh wait it's a clock.

CE spots down to 1,500.00

Halloween did not even drop this quick

Have any CE spots been sold yet? If so how much.

It will be refreshing to see a the first dealer post up a machine at MSRP.

#3762 58 days ago

CE spots down to 1,500.00
Halloween did not even drop this quick
Have any CE spots been sold yet? If so how much.
It will be refreshing to see a the first dealer post up a machine at MSRP.

#3763 58 days ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

CE spots down to 1,500.00
Halloween did not even drop this quick
Have any CE spots been sold yet? If so how much.
It will be refreshing to see a the first dealer post up a machine at MSRP.

Pretty sure that guys is looking for 1500 on top. I don't see any flippers losing cash on selling CE deposits. JJP will keep pushing to find the ceiling. Probably not there yet.

#3764 58 days ago

There has to be dealers sitting on inventory speculating. It just does not make sense.

#3765 58 days ago
Quoted from Palmer:

That's Toy Story 2 characters dude.

I was referring to the franchise, not a particular film. Here are some generic franchise underwear for you:

Toy Story Underwear

#3766 58 days ago
Quoted from Amused_to_Death:

I was referring to the franchise, not a particular film. Here are some generic franchise underwear for you:
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Now this should have been in the upper left corner

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#3767 58 days ago
Quoted from beltking:

Zach said he flipped it and was fun plus the code was there in the comments of his Youtube video.

The guy at the Poop Store will also tell me that poop is awesome. Cuz he’s selling poop.

#3768 58 days ago
Quoted from pinballj:

I am really looking forward to playing this game. Now it is the long wait!

I believe I got what I wanted from this release which is smooth shots and deep code. Like Wonka.

#3769 58 days ago
Quoted from Amused_to_Death:

I was referring to the franchise, not a particular film. Here are some generic franchise underwear for you:
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I mean yeah...there are lots of licensed and probably unlicensed Toy Story products out there. I think some people have a hard time realizing that there isn't a blanket license for everything. And when you get into old Toy Story, you have products Pixar most likely licensed for their movies (ie potato head, etch a sketch, etc.) Then you have voice actors from the movies. There are a lot of factors. Kids underwear does not equal a pinball machine.

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#3770 58 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

The guy at the Poop Store will also tell me that poop is awesome. Cuz he’s selling poop.

Zach poop A-
Greg poop B+

#3771 58 days ago

Been away for a while, got the email from JJP and hopped over here. I have been holding off buying new pins for a while waiting to see this one first. BIG MISTAKE.

Would love to see what Pat designed 2+ years ago before the Disney execs and bean counters got a hold of this. Sigh.

#3772 58 days ago
Quoted from JoeJet:

Been away for a while, got the email from JJP and hopped over here. I have been holding off buying new pins for a while waiting to see this one first. BIG MISTAKE.
Would love to see what Pat designed 2+ years ago before the Disney execs and bean counters got a hold of this. Sigh.

Heard it’s called wonka

#3773 58 days ago

Anyone else see No Good Gophers in this wheel and jump ramp?

#3774 58 days ago

Hey guys, I've got a mod idea: It's a set of 3 vinyl decals that seamlessly cover the "4" in "Toy Story 4" on the backglass and cabinet sides. It seems like this increases the desirability of the game by about $2000 so I'll sell the decals for $500.

#3775 58 days ago

Some games are in transit to distributors but we haven’t seen any openings, yet. Have distro’s shipped any games to customers? JJP factory looks full so I think they should be shipping 50 games a week now and ramping to 100 games per week in July, imo. If they sell every CE & LE, it may take them a year to finish, and that’s all right. If they only sell/make half the 5k LE’s before bearing off on new title, that’s all right, too.

Stern LE’s are now $10.5k plus shipping or $11k total, and that’s without a topper. JJP’s TS4LE’s are $12k, also without a topper. But the point is if you wanted a $10k LE from JJP, you were never going to get it. JJP’s GNR LE’s were $11.5k and without a decent topper. Makes sense their current LE is priced at $12k.

#3776 58 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

We should have our game on route this week for those who want to actually play sone pinball

I wish I was closer

Quoted from Vino:

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Don't worry - lots of those CEs will be up for resale quickly!

#3777 58 days ago
Quoted from BradLinden:

Hey guys, I've got a mod idea: It's a set of 3 vinyl decals that seamlessly cover the "4" in "Toy Story 4" on the backglass and cabinet sides. It seems like this increases the desirability of the game by about $2000 so I'll sell the decals for $500.

So $500 each decal and I get three, while saving $500? You son of a bitch, I’m in!

#3778 58 days ago

I just want to touch on the lack of SE thing a bit, since it seems like everyone else is doing a good job of handling the other points. I see a few people bemoaning the fact there is no SE. Besides the points that others have made, its been known for a while now JJP was going to stop making SE's. It was dumb for them to be making SE's as long as they did. SE's are always the lowest selling model for JJP. It was smart of them to take that out of the lineup. I know a few people would buy SE's but really, why? They aren't much cheaper than the LE and its just a lot more hassle for the manufacturing side.

#3779 58 days ago
Quoted from polishedball:

Anyone else see No Good Gophers in this wheel and jump ramp?

I was just joking with my partner that this game should be called No Good Gabbys with the Gabby pop up head

#3780 58 days ago
Quoted from Lokust:

I was just joking with my partner that this game should be called No Good Gabbys with the Gabby pop up head and the other design similarities from the same game designer

#3781 58 days ago
Quoted from polishedball:

Anyone else see No Good Gophers in this wheel and jump ramp?

I was just joking with my partner that this game should be called No Good Gabbys with the Gabby pop up head and the other design similarities from the same game designer

#3782 58 days ago

To be fair, this is the best that AI could come up with...

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#3783 58 days ago
Quoted from MaxAMillion:

Find one CE in stock at MSRP. I know a few dealers held some trying to get more. But the vast majority were sold in minutes.

If the majority go to distributors and they immediately mark it up anticipating higher demand, you don't know for sure if 1k CE's would have sold out at MSRP because the game is rigged from the beginning. True test is to see how long they sit and what price they eventually sell at.

#3784 58 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

And yet, they had their biggest sales day in history.
https://www.pinball-magazine.com/?p=4586
Maybe the Pinside hive mind is wrong!

I have no interest in this game and have no idea if it's great or terrible -- what I do know is that Pinside consensus of a pin at launch is laughably bad; and hyperbolic to boot.

#3785 58 days ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

I just want to touch on the lack of SE thing a bit, since it seems like everyone else is doing a good job of handling the other points. I see a few people bemoaning the fact there is no SE. Besides the points that others have made, its been known for a while now JJP was going to stop making SE's. It was dumb for them to be making SE's as long as they did. SE's are always the lowest selling model for JJP. It was smart of them to take that out of the lineup. I know a few people would buy SE's but really, why? They aren't much cheaper than the LE and its just a lot more hassle for the manufacturing side.

Wasn't the GNR SE $8000?

$12,000 + shipping price of admission is a lot of money - too much for the majority of people.

#3786 58 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I believe I got what I wanted from this release which is smooth shots and deep code. Like Wonka.

My guess is your spot on....just don't drink too much, and put your WW CE right next to your TS CE. You might get confused on which one to turn on as they both look the same

#3787 58 days ago
Quoted from kool1:

Wasn't the GNR SE $8000?
$12,000 + shipping price of admission is a lot of money - too much for the majority of people.

I don’t understand why you think that, given that every NIB pinball machine that isn’t from Spooky sells like toilet paper circa 2020.

This is such a small niche market and it’s apparently easy finding a couple thousand customers in a world of billions of people who have no problem blowing $15k, $20k etc. on a pinball machine.

Edit: Yeah, the majority of the population won’t blow that money but the pinball target market will.

#3788 58 days ago
Quoted from galore2112:

I don’t understand why you think that, given that every NIB pinball machine that isn’t from Spooky sells like toilet paper circa 2020.
This is such a small niche market and it’s apparently easy finding a couple thousand customers in a world of billions of people who have no problem blowing $15k, $20k etc. on a pinball machine.

I didn't say they wouldn't sell. I just mean a lot of people are complaining because they have been shut out price wise from Toy Story because of the high entry level price point.

I know 2 people personally that were very excited and wanted to buy for their kids but can't swallow $12K+.

#3789 58 days ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

CE spots down to 1,500.00
Halloween did not even drop this quick
Have any CE spots been sold yet? If so how much.
It will be refreshing to see a the first dealer post up a machine at MSRP.

Can’t forget the $1,000 transfer fee either!

#3790 58 days ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Can’t forget the $1,000 transfer fee either!

Did JJP institute a transfer fee?! Would cut down on the amount of people flipping for sure.

#3791 58 days ago
Quoted from polishedball:

Anyone else see No Good Gophers in this wheel and jump ramp?

You’re the first one to mention it! Therefore, you are now a Pinside Legend!

#3792 58 days ago
Quoted from kool1:

I didn't say they wouldn't sell. I just mean a lot of people are complaining because they have been shut out price wise from Toy Story because of the high entry level price point.

I think so too. My personal limit for a fantastic pinball machine is $12k (Stern market research: You are welcome!). Anything above this and nope.

I comment on this thread because I find it fascinating.

For me, TS is not a dream theme and I personally can’t stand pop up obstacles and spinning discs so I would never buy a JJP TS4. They are catering to a demographic that is just above me, wealth wise. While I can spend a lot more than $12k, I won’t because there are many other uses of my money but more power to JJP if they can sell to people who think it’s worth it.

#3793 58 days ago
Quoted from yancy:

I wonder how many here have been around long enough to remember when Jersey Jack was a Stern distributor, and the running gag for every new game was "Jack played it, he likes it!"
Jack, Zach. "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes." - Mark Twain

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#3794 58 days ago

Is there a transfer fee? I actually thought this would be a great way to curb flipping.

#3795 58 days ago
Quoted from galore2112:

They are catering to a demographic that is just above me, wealth wise.

All snark aside, this is what it boils down to for me. I can't stomach spending more than Stern premium money (no markup), and even then, it has to be a phenomenal game. I'm glad I already own most of the pins I love and have space for. Not sure I'll ever pay five figures for a toy, inflation be damned.

#3796 58 days ago
Quoted from wackenhut:

That is awesome if there is a transfer fee! Can we confirm this?

Can’t confirm or deny it, as I don’t know, but I did hear someone from JJP mention this exact concept recently, and thought about it as I was ordering an LE. They were really emphasizing the need for you to provide a final shipping address at time-of-sale.

#3797 58 days ago
Quoted from galore2112:

I think so too. My personal limit for a fantastic pinball machine is $12k (Stern market research: You are welcome!). Anything above this and nope.

I think most agree that prices are bonkers. That said, themes with a deep connection can get a lot of us to get over that hump. I never thought I’d spend $11k+ on a new pin, but I LOVE RUSH & had no will power to say no. Similarly, many people love Toy Story as a whole, but not 4 individually - so, many are saying “no” because the emotional bond isn’t there.

#3798 58 days ago

Has anyone noticed that the people trying to flip the game are basically relatively new Pinsiders?

#3799 58 days ago

Just heard from a reliable source* that Stern will announce a Lightyear pin to coincide with the film's release, this Friday.

* my imagination

#3800 58 days ago

I don't know what to think of Pinside. I see people now criticizing those that haven't played it, like.. "how dare you until you flip it!!". Like we don't know pinball!

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree.... flip it first. But I'd define normal circumstances in pinball as the following:

1. Not a machine that is $3K more than the competition and $3K more than their last release with LESS toys.
2. A title we can relate too that makes sense (IE, Toy Story 4 vs Mandalorian). Imagine if the Mandalorian came out and was then based on a movie no one knew of that happened to feature Mando, for example. Toy Story 4 MAKES NO SENSE.
3. Artwork that matches a good, neutral representation of the title. Here we have a very strong 10 year-old ish girl feel to the machine and art. Not Slinky Dog, Mr. Potato, Army men, etc. A carnival with a girls head (
gabby gabby?") WTF.
4. A machine that took 2 years to make. TWO YEARS. This machine should be absolutely ground breaking and blow our minds. NOPE.

Also, while I was able to forgive the problems with the GNR playfields because I loved the game... now imagine taking a risk on this one, paying $3K over, and again being told to pound sand if you had a legit problem.

ZaphX, I appreciate your enthusiasm and absolute willingness to be optimistic about this one, but there's more here than just... it's a good flipping game. It has to be a good flipping game for price, with a good theme, and should all around feel good. BTW, you're youtube videos on GNR is one of the reasons I bought one. But I feel the price on that one was more acceptable, loved the theme, and the pin made sense.

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