There are other effects besides the game’s individual earning too. If you run a pinball spot and are the only one to have the game in your area… it is a location draw. It will bring players to your spot just looking for that game because they want to experience it.

So it will boost other games… a halo game. Obviously this effect is not something you do on every game - but highlights reasoning beyond simple ‘it can get a Godzilla for 1/3 less’ or whatever.

Kind of why we have a big lebowski on route even though it costs 2x what another game costs.

Obviously all this logic relies on the game being a draw to players.

We will be putting a toy story on location

Yeah - sucky and totally within their control

I hate to admit this but I totally agree. I’m not going to pile on TS because it looks okay but spending 15k on a pin should get you more. When Hobbit came out it was 8500-9000. Unreal it’s almost double now

Any insight into who? I spent a few hours checking around with no luck... LE no problem, CE no happening right now...

Jjp games have generally always been the same game play. Recently wonka and gnr broke that trend. So back to same game play isn’t that shocking.

It’s ironic that this is the point so many bag on stern for…. Yet so many then bag on lack of differences. No way to win

No charge here yet either

Would be in for an Is It Cake? CE

Not sure what other distributors have been quoting, but I was quoted $16,500 for a CE, so after tax that is $18,150. I had to decline. Bananas.

Are LEs shipping out right away? Does anyone have confirmation from any dealers?

No charge yet either. So I think you are safe if we are all experiencing that.

Has anyone done a TS4 to Wonka side by side? The more I watch gameplay the more similarities I see. If Wonka was indeed originally toy story it would make a lot of sense.

Folks checking the Toy Story threads this evening after a long days work.

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I think I'm... relieved? The price point plus the focus on just the fourth movie isnt enough to sell me.

Some LEs are going out to buyers this week. Dunno how many, but they've been building them for just over 2 months (production start picture was 4-11-22). At the usual JJP rate of 50/week, that's at least 400 pins made already, but I don't know how many went overseas for launch.

Am I the only one that thinks of this when they say the objective is to play Carousel?

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Haha. The only way to win carousel is not to play...

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#jjp-toy-story-4-le is my first NIB pinball purchase; so I have no idea how the process goes. I too ordered direct from JJP and got an email confirming that they received my request; but my card hasn't been charged yet. Email just states: "Thank you for shopping at Jersey Jack Pinball. Your order no. ###-SO###### has been received." Going to the online shop, it just says "Status: Pending Fulfillment"

Anyone order from JJP directly before? What steps in the process were there and when/how were you informed about your specific game, date, and delivery details?

It's not totally jjp fault with the direction they have went with increased prices and putting less in the games. Untill people stop buying instantly and paying stupid prices to the flippers jjp will continue to push the envelope on how far they can push prices up and continue to strip the pins down . This isn't just jjp doing this. There are to many pins coming out and newer companies making nice looking stuff for much lower prices.... so stop instantly buying everything especially for 15k+ with 1k ce editions.

The promo video was very well done!

Guessing they couldn't get the trilogy for some reason and thought "well, as long as it says Toy Story..." Guess they were right!

Heard 500 le' s were produced allready

Really? Or sarcasm?

Two wrongs...

"Hey if I don't do it, someone else will".

One positive that I think is universally recognized is the work of JP DeWin. With every JJP release that is one of the main things I can't wait to see. IMO he is the gold standard in pinball animation and this looks just as great and polished.

I thought all the comments about slot machine sounds in the game were exaggerations. Just watched the Joe Katz game demo and… wow. It reminds me of Circus Circus in Vegas

The music integration and rest of the sound package is great, though. The sling and pop bumper sounds are cool.

I would definitely travel to play a TS4 so I catch your drift.

Sadly not many "pinball" places around me so most local pins are just part of an arcade or in a movie theater.

Question for all those that have had a lot of hands on with past Lawlor JJP games, which is his best shooting game (ignoring theme) talking just the shots here… wonka? Dialled in?

I have both - both shoot great. SIM card shot on DI is rough I’d give it to Wonka but it’s a hard call.

Same here. So, I called them today. Novel approach I know. They said they will run credit card deposits tomorrow/Thur. CE likely ships in the fall.

Totally respect the opinion (seriously). I don't get that vibe with Zach to be honest. I do think he's just more open to different things in a way. For example likes the hobbit, didn't kill halloween (so maybe I'm biased I own both lol). He's not a spooky dealer either so. Agree good team and same with him and Dennis. It's all good. These outlets help the hobby and give me more stuff to chew on!

Like I mentioned, no one has played it yet. I never said don’t have an opinion. I just said people should be decent.

I’m really torn over this. I’ve been waiting years since the rumor leak for this ONE game. TS4 was just ok, as my love and nostalgia lie in part 1-2, maybe some of 3. I almost bought into the fomo hype last week and tried to get a CE spot. Turned out I’m so happy I didn’t. Sight unseen is a joke!! So happy the images leaked earlier than order banks, and gave me time to slow down and process some thoughts.

TS4 is the worst of the series, and has zero nostalgic tie to most of us.

Most of our favorite characters aren’t even a real part of the movie or game(Rex, potato head, army men, pig, etc).

No real magic is seen in this game(new mechs).

Price is way too much for this. (It literally has cake toppers for the figures) sigh!

CE offers pretty much nothing worth much other than a cool topper.

Feels like the lcd has become the focal point in a lot of newer games rather than kinetic toys

Game feels more like a toy than a premium game we’re used to at jjp (maybe I’ll feel different in person).

Most of all, as much love and excitement I had for this title, I shouldn’t have this much confusion on what to think. It should have been an absolute for me.

That said, the game looks beautiful as usual, the code will probably be good, it’s probably a fun game (which is most important), and I can now sit back, relax, no fomo, and just watch how the game unfolds before I decide to buy. It’s actually a relief not getting caught up in the fomo hype. Congrats to jjp and team for a good looking game, getting what looks like great assets and callouts. Even though it’s not what I was hoping for, I’m willing to give it a reasonable chance and consider getting one down the road.

Next week for me.

what is it with these YouTube clowns youtoobin' their reply - just stop.

Operation pinball distributor in Iowa just now. What a joke. Seriously

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24 - 70 volt coils. 5 - 20 volt coils. 12 volt motor, relay, and light table 8.

According to page 187 in the manual . Which you can download from jjp's website under Support - Downloads - Toy Story.

LTG : )

People work really, really hard on movie juggernauts by companies like Disney, that are also open to criticism by viewers that are significantly cheaper than this game.

People have a right to vote with their mouths and wallets, when they feel a product not worthy of their cash is jacked up for seemingly no valid reasons other than profit.

People here, many, considered adding this to their coveted collections and home spaces, taking savings and efforts in doing so.

Practicing smart consumerism makes BETTER products for all.

Personally, I tried to turn this turd burglar of a day upside down, by opening and setting up my new Steam Deck, which so far is a spectacular consumer product, can provide endless enjoyment for years and years for me at a much cheaper price, and ironically allow me to play "better" versions of video pinball than what's up on that 10" LCD via Zen Pinball, Zacarria, and Pinball Arcade. The best of Lawlor, all the while avoiding 12K overpriced stinkers!

Me thinks the $11k GnRs are going to sell out pretty quick now. Lots of unhappy TS fans.

Nice...that means I'll start seeing LE's for sale here locally (at a discount)

Think of the value a Wonka CE is right now.

seriously? is that confirmed?

Watching the videos it looks like they've tried to create a deadpool like game. Not too deep, quick smash and grab type code but it really lacks cohesion. JJP games rely too much on screens with all sorts of crap bouncing about on them that I never see unless I'm watching them on Youtube. The flippers looks better than any other JJP game I've seen so that could be something to hope on. Not a huge number of pinball moments like when the ball hits the katana or the building drops in GZ.

It does look like a lot of hard work went into this but as Pat once said, not every game is a winner and it looks like this hit some sort of BOM limit.

Just wanted to say that when I placed an order with Zach about 6 months ago, he actually down-sold me on some stuff he didn’t think would be useful, which cost him some revenue (and saved me money). So I don’t get that vibe from Zach either.

He probably has a subconscious bias, but, heck, we all do.

Wonka LE / CE has the following primary mechs. There's not only more of them as a whole but they are also significantly more mechanical and substantial compared to those in Toy Story. The toy offering on Toy Story just feels weak by comparison. Hell all of the main mechs in Toy Story are pop up devices...

1. Spinning gobstopper
2. Rotating gobstopper hole
3. Wonkavision
4. Wonkavator super physical ball lock
5. Kickback
6. 6 magnets under the playfield (not counting the others which stop / divert the ball
7. Subway

Toy Story LE / CE

1. Popup jump target
2. Popup posts
3. Popup troll mech
4. Kickback
5. iPad, I mean 10" LCD

I second this post. Zach works his ass off and is great for the hobby. He also needs to make a living. I think he does an awesome job balancing the competing interests of being a distributor and being an enthusiast. If he wasn’t around, the pinball hobby wouldn’t be what it is.

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Toy Story has a spinning disc.

I can’t wait to spell Forky, those targets are sweet

So, next week, does JJP ship TS4 with finished code or will it be a year or more before the code is finished/polished (like Stern does it)?

Zach is great. Amazing guy. I’m in Canada and can not even buy from him, but he still takes time to chat with me and answer some questions because he loves the hobby.

Richard

Yeah Zach you really killed it on the video. High end production I’m sure was many many hrs to do.

I may be wrong but I think it’s shipped with full code! Not saying there won’t be some changes or polish but I’m pretty certain it’s a 1.0

Wonka.