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JJP Toy Story (any rumor confirmations?)

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#3201 65 days ago

So it's obvious they didn't get all the assets to feature Buzz/Woody ect.

So now we can listen Jack say his blah blah lines about licensing. So then don't do the game ! I would think everyone would expect assets from the classic TS movies.

I love JJP, but this game is a turn off to me..I showed my 7yr old son and he said it looked like a little girls game...lol...

For 12 grand it an easy pass for me.

#3202 65 days ago

But back to TS4...not arguing whether it could be fun. But it's the price and lack of mechanisms, or even shots, drop targets, etc.

#3203 65 days ago
Quoted from Breger1:

But back to TS4...not arguing whether it could be fun. But it's the price and lack of mechanisms, or even shots, drop targets, etc.

100%

#3204 65 days ago
Quoted from PghPinballRescue:

Etch-A-Sketch is not a Disney-owned property. It is owned by Rose Art.
To use Etch-A-Sketch would require Disney to relicense it from Rose Art, then sell that license to us.

That's not necessarily true. It entirely depends on the specifics of their particular deal with Mattel. (Not Rose Art) Only in the last year did Rose-Art regain freedom and separate from it's parent company Mattel. And if that deal was relatively open-ended with it's merchandise usage...it would not require a relicense.

#3205 65 days ago

It was said on the video that the main toy is the pop up ramp...The main toy on a $12k - $15k pinball machine is a 2"x2" plastic pop up ramp?! Wow.

The more I read and hear about the ruleset the more I like that part of the game. However, it's the game being based only off the 4th film, having 4 in the title, and the giant tablet versus more mechanical toys that is preventing from moving forward with a purchase at this time.

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#3206 65 days ago

Hearing Ken Cromwell say that no corners were cut when making this game really is sickening to hear. I get he's the marketing guy but Ken, GTFO. Seriously? No corners were cut yet we have this ultra barren playfield with toy story figures glued to the PF? And you're charging 15k? Oh the TPN shilling on this game is going to be through the roof. I hope I'm wrong and there is some honest feedback b/c I don't care if this game shoots like a dream - no one can be that happy when it's TS4 and stripped even worse than wonka. And now you're charging 12k to get in!

Just remember this when buying games from these guys in the future. It's one thing to try and sell a product - I get it but to take it to this level and say how this game is super innovative b/c there is a jump ramp and a big ipad which was an obvious cost cutting play, makes me really lose respect for these people. There is a better more balanced way to handle it than basically telling your customers you think we're idiots - buy buy buy at 15k.

I'm exciting to play any new pinball and this will be no diff but this is a new low for JJP. You're going backwards from what you set out to do AND you're charging more.

#3207 65 days ago
Quoted from Three60in:

Yeah they hid them. I was reading tbem before they pulled em. People were saying the same thing they were here. Nothing new.

I don’t think the pulled them. We are having trouble with our YouTube comments as well!!!

#3208 65 days ago
Quoted from dnaman:

I would buy a TBL at similar coin long before this and I haven't bought Lebowski because of the crazy cost.

Would love a Lebowski but it's not happening either and that's ok.

Honestly I'm thrilled to own just Stern Pros. Hobby doesn't need to be crazy $$ to have fun.

#3209 65 days ago

It is clearly the (future) OWNER'S FAULT that they couldn't get more Woody and Buzz in the game. They are pretty minor characters in the Toy Story series anyways.

Forky is superior

#3210 65 days ago
Quoted from delt31:

Hearing Ken Cromwell say that no corners were cut when making this game really is sickening to hear. I get he's the marketing guy but Ken, GTFO. Seriously? No corners were cut yet we have this ultra barren playfield with toy story figures glued to the PF? And you're charging 15k? Oh the TPN shilling on this game is going to be through the roof. I hope I'm wrong and there is some honest feedback b/c I don't care if this game shoots like a dream - no one can be that happy when it's TS4 and stripped even worse than wonka.
Just remember this when buying games from these guys in the future. It's one thing to try and sell a product - I get it but to take it to this level and say how this game is super innovative b/c there is a jump ramp and a big ipad which was an obvious cost cutting play, makes me really lose respect for these people. There is a better more balanced way to handle it than basically telling your customers you think we're idiots - buy buy buy at 15k.

Don't forget Pat...once again...expressing how this is cutting edge tech!

And Pat Van Winkle also welcomed us to the 21st century, 22 years after it started..!

#3211 65 days ago

Looks like a fun shooter .I swore off buying NIB JJPs n am sticking to it .Congrats to all who have waited for this .Best wishes I’ll just Exit stage left

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#3212 65 days ago
Quoted from delt31:

Hearing Ken Cromwell say that no corners were cut when making this game really is sickening to hear. I get he's the marketing guy but Ken, GTFO. Seriously? No corners were cut yet we have this ultra barren playfield with toy story figures glued to the PF? And you're charging 15k? Oh the TPN shilling on this game is going to be through the roof.

Greg will give his classic B+, Zach will give it an A-.

I find it sorta strange that Zach feels that we cannot see through his agenda. He must feel, somehow, superior in inteligence to the rest of us. I find it a little sad and offputting.

#3213 65 days ago
Quoted from wesman:

Don't forget Pat...once again...expressing how this is cutting edge tech!
And Pat Van Winkle also welcomed us to the 21st century, 22 years after it started..!

Hahah, I just came across this in the video and laughed also

#3214 65 days ago

The whole thread is a Halloween repeat. See you on the other side guys.

#3215 65 days ago
Quoted from ZMeny:Toy Story 4 Pinball Featurette (Jersey Jack Pinball, 2022)
An in-depth look into Jersey Jack Pinball's newest pinball machine release: Disney-Pixar's Toy Story 4
Hear about the game's creation from Toy Story 4 pinball designer Pat Lawlor, programmer Joe Katz, and marketer Ken Cromwell. They discuss working with Disney-Pixar, new technologies, and key features of this instant-classic pinball machine.
Join Woody, Buzz Lightyear, and Bo Peep into the world of Toy Story, under glass.

If you aren’t excited after watching how we made TS4 pinball video, check your pulse. You may be dead inside. I can’t wait.

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#3216 65 days ago

No Toys Story

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#3217 65 days ago
Quoted from Mark1971:

lol sold out in less than a min

Cool now you can go flip it. Oh wait, you already are trying. https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137254

#3218 65 days ago
Quoted from badgerx23:

Not much to cut out of the machine to make a SE

- Remove Powdercoat
- Replace lit backboard with something more static
- Remove hotrails and replace with white lights (like GNR)
- Replace sculpted curio cabinet with something cheaper
- No Shaker
- No Invisiglass

$10,500

Other, but more complex options
- Rework ball lock to reduce mechs
- replace spinning disc with virtual version

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#3219 65 days ago
Quoted from jorant:

Greg will give his classic B+, Zach will give it an A-.
I find it sorta strange that Zach feels that we cannot see through his agenda. He must feel, somehow, superior in inteligence to the rest of us. I find it a little sad and offputting.

Awwww that’s a little harsh. Maybe pull that bag off your head. Things look a little clearer that way! I mean you haven’t even heard us talk about the game yet! Sad and off putting when your expected to shit on every game that comes out.

#3220 65 days ago
Quoted from MikeS:

My thought is that the SE model wasn't nearly as profitable as the other models, yet it takes just as long to build so it makes sense to dump it since production speed is such a big concern these days.

It's basically the same concept.. force buyers to the higher priced models to drive up your ASP and focus both demand and your resources there on the higher margin product. My point was simply that a SE now could amplify angst over the price bump too. Where if you simply hold back the SE.. and release it only if 'you need to', you do both. You drive demand to the higher priced products now AND can look like a savior by offering a lower priced alternative after the fact by 'listening to feedback'

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#3221 65 days ago

Saw some questioning what the figures are from.

Seems to be cake toppers (found the others as well).

EDIT: As to not be confused as a negative opinion of the game, I do think the game looks like a lot of fun, and appears to have more than seen at a glance (though Toy Story was never a theme for me).

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#3222 65 days ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:

Awwww that’s a little harsh. Maybe pull that bag off your head. Things look a little clearer that way! I mean you haven’t even heard us talk about the game yet! Sad and off putting when your expected to shit on every game that comes out.

Agreed. But your theme integration score should reflect what this could of and should of been...not just "how well did this game encapsulate the single Toy Story 4 film". The official title of the game is "Toy Story". Not "Toy Story 4".

#3223 65 days ago

i think it looks fun as hell. i get excited when i see the lawlor signature 5-insert arc above the flippers. i can't wait to play it.

all the curmudgeons can enjoy their grumbling and whining. maybe that's more fun than shooting a brand new lawlor game, to some. i'm just a more enjoy what i got, or do it better myself, kinda guy.

happy flippin' folks!

#3224 65 days ago
Quoted from kool1:

This>>> They have priced themselves out of the market.
Operators will never make any money on a $12000 machine.

Operators make money by recurring coin drop exceeding (depreciation costs+operating costs) - not by breaking even on the sale price of a game.

Buying a $12k piece of equipment and selling it for $8k two years later only costs them $4k - not $12k.

#3225 65 days ago
Quoted from Medisinyl:

Saw some questioning what the figures are from.
Seems to be cake toppers.
[quoted image]

My goodness, licensed Disney cake toppers on a $12k - $15k pinball machine? Well, at least there's a 10" LCD on the game right instead of a large main mechanical toy?

#3226 65 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

Agreed. But your theme integration score should reflect what this could of and should of been...not just "how well did this game encapsulate the single Toy Story 4 film". The official title of the game is "Toy Story". Not "Toy Story 4".

And it will…………….when we review it!!!!!!! That haven’t happened yet!

#3227 65 days ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:Awwww that’s a little harsh. Maybe pull that bag off your head. Things look a little clearer that way! I mean you haven’t even heard us talk about the game yet! Sad and off putting when your expected to shit on every game that comes out.

Any idea when we'll be able to hear your thoughts on it?

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#3228 65 days ago
Quoted from Scandell:

The whole thread is a Halloween repeat. See you on the other side guys.

Actually Halloween is fun and was not $15k for the CE. And came with a lot more. So don’t even drag spooky into this mess.

#3229 65 days ago

Game looks like it will shoot well but man. They put cake toppers on the machine. Cake toppers.

#3230 65 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:Operators make money by recurring coin drop exceeding (depreciation costs+operating costs) - not by breaking even on the sale price of a game.
Buying a $12k piece of equipment and selling it for $8k two years later only costs them $4k - not $12k.

Eh... mostly.

Here is an example.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/135292

This is the G&R SE that was on location at Ocelot. It got 3500 plays and the operator sold it for about what he paid for it after a year and a half. In that time it got about 3500 plays, so maybe $3000 in revenue if you count the free games.

But how many people drove to the building and bought beer just to play it? How many people came to league night and bough beer because of it? How many people stayed longer and bought beer because this was there?

I am under the impression coin drop on games doesn't really make much if any money. What it does do is bring people into the building who spend money on more expensive things.

#3231 65 days ago
Quoted from johnnyutah:

Game looks like it will shoot well but man. They put cake toppers on the machine. Cake toppers.

It's all about the toppers.

#3232 65 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Operators make money by recurring coin drop exceeding (depreciation costs+operating costs) - not by breaking even on the sale price of a game.
Buying a $12k piece of equipment and selling it for $8k two years later only costs them $4k - not $12k.

Yes but the upfront cost is almost 2 Stern Pros. There is a reason most operators don't buy premium/LEs.

Quoted from sataneatscheese:

Eh... mostly.
Here is an example.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/135292
This is the G&R SE that was on location at Ocelot. It got 3500 plays and the operator sold it for about what he paid for it after a year and a half. In that time it got about 3500 plays, so maybe $3000 in revenue if you count the free games.
But how many people drove to the building and bought beer just to play it? How many people came to league night and bough beer because of it? How many people stayed longer and bought beer because this was there?
I am under the impression coin drop on games doesn't really make much if any money. What it does do is bring people into the building who spend money on more expensive things.

Exactly. And I'm sure a Godzilla Pro would draw more people for almost 1/2 the cost.

#3233 65 days ago
Quoted from explosiveegg:

Any idea when we'll be able to hear your thoughts on it?

We filmed an initial impressions. So that should be out soon. We need some more time playing it before we actually review it though. People might not be happy with our initial impressions. After reading some of these post. I think I felt like a lot of people on here………. Until I flipped it and Joe talked me through some of the code. All I can say is I left there wanting a lot more time on that game to explore it! You get the feels of the game a little more than you think you do when you’re actually playing it. Even though it’s Toy story 4 it’s still toy story. You definitely feel that!

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#3234 65 days ago

Deleted. Jumping to conclusions.

#3235 65 days ago
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

Actually Halloween is fun and was not $15k for the CE. And came with a lot more. So don’t even drag spooky into this mess.

Truth be told, our HWCE was just over $15K CDN so there is that but we are enjoying it. Unique and great theme for us. Code and audio/video still being developed.

#3236 65 days ago
Quoted from johnnyutah:

Game looks like it will shoot well but man. They put cake toppers on the machine. Cake toppers.

I mean...if they didn't do it modders would have

#3237 65 days ago
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:

Actually Halloween is fun and was not $15k for the CE. And came with a lot more. So don’t even drag spooky into this mess.

Love my Halloween! 10k

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#3238 65 days ago
Quoted from PalmettoPinworks:

Wow, STDM is removing negative comments from their youtube video. Amazing

We are in no way!!!! In no way at all. As I mentioned earlier when people were saying that JJP was sensoring their comments there is something going on with YouTube. Literally all comments are turned on there is no censoring. So please… Stop. We don’t sensor-shit including your thoughts. We didn’t see any comments pop up for at least the first hour.YouTube issue not ours

#3239 65 days ago

Delete

#3240 65 days ago

I like it. It’s still Toy Story and our family loves the franchise. This looks like a hybrid type machine with a lot of things involving the big screen. I’m okay with that too.

#3241 65 days ago
Quoted from kool1:

Yes but the upfront cost is almost 2 Stern Pros. There is a reason most operators don't buy premium/LEs.

Exactly. And I'm sure a Godzilla Pro would draw more people for almost 1/2 the cost.

Godzilla Pro would absolutely bring more people in to buy Beer. However, Toy Story would bring more people in to buy pizza and attract more Birthday parties. One group has and spends alot more money though... and has transportation of their own.

#3242 65 days ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I mean...if they didn't do it modders would have

It’s just good to see that some of the larger companies are taking from Homepin’s playbook.

#3243 65 days ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

Godzilla Pro would absolutely bring more people in to buy Beer. However, Toy Story would bring more people in to buy pizza and attract more Birthday parties. One group has and spends alot more money though... and has transportation of their own.

I doubt it. On the whole, brats are into 2 second redemption games, not pinball.

#3244 65 days ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:

... All I can say is I left there wanting a lot more time on that game to explore it! You get the feels of the game a little more than you think you do when you’re actually playing it.

I think that many are interested in playing it and I'm in that group but buying it is not of consideration at all and I don't think that playing it will change my mind. This is just too costly now, especially in CDN coin.

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#3245 65 days ago
Quoted from PalmettoPinworks:

Wow, STDM is removing negative comments from their youtube video. Amazing

Don't be ridiculous. We welcome all comments, even if they are false such as yours...

#3246 65 days ago

I thought the SDTM video was great for game play. It actually might have been enough to make me have second thoughts about cancelling my CE spot. It's probably for the best that it was too late by the time it came out though.
I cant get excited for TS4 when I was hyped up on OG Toy Story.
It almost seems like it would have been smart to leak a couple months ago something confirming the title was TS4 so people could mentally prepare for it and wouldnt have woken up to massive disappointment.
Then again, what do I know. I'm just grouchy.

#3247 65 days ago

So what's the BOM on this 15K machine?

I don't see anything that costs more than any other machine, actually I see plenty that costs less.

Cake toppers.... incredible.

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#3248 65 days ago
Quoted from ZMeny:

Don't be ridiculous. We welcome all comments, even if they are false such as yours...

Say what you like. I've watched several negative comments disappear from the video. I guess Youtube or the posters must have deleted them then?

#3249 65 days ago
Quoted from PalmettoPinworks:

Say what you like. I've watched several negative comments disappear from the video. I guess Youtube or the posters must have deleted them then?

As mentioned a couple of times now, YouTube has been messy today. Comments were coming in but the system wasn't showing them. I believe it was a widespread issue. Even posting the video like we normally do with YouTube link on Facebook was not working properly initially.

#3250 65 days ago
Quoted from PalmettoPinworks:

Say what you like. I've watched several negative comments disappear from the video. I guess Youtube or the posters must have deleted them then?

My positive comment also disappeared, its Youtube not SDTM.

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