So it's obvious they didn't get all the assets to feature Buzz/Woody ect.

So now we can listen Jack say his blah blah lines about licensing. So then don't do the game ! I would think everyone would expect assets from the classic TS movies.

I love JJP, but this game is a turn off to me..I showed my 7yr old son and he said it looked like a little girls game...lol...

For 12 grand it an easy pass for me.

100%

That's not necessarily true. It entirely depends on the specifics of their particular deal with Mattel. (Not Rose Art) Only in the last year did Rose-Art regain freedom and separate from it's parent company Mattel. And if that deal was relatively open-ended with it's merchandise usage...it would not require a relicense.

It was said on the video that the main toy is the pop up ramp...The main toy on a $12k - $15k pinball machine is a 2"x2" plastic pop up ramp?! Wow.

The more I read and hear about the ruleset the more I like that part of the game. However, it's the game being based only off the 4th film, having 4 in the title, and the giant tablet versus more mechanical toys that is preventing from moving forward with a purchase at this time.

Hearing Ken Cromwell say that no corners were cut when making this game really is sickening to hear. I get he's the marketing guy but Ken, GTFO. Seriously? No corners were cut yet we have this ultra barren playfield with toy story figures glued to the PF? And you're charging 15k? Oh the TPN shilling on this game is going to be through the roof. I hope I'm wrong and there is some honest feedback b/c I don't care if this game shoots like a dream - no one can be that happy when it's TS4 and stripped even worse than wonka. And now you're charging 12k to get in!

Just remember this when buying games from these guys in the future. It's one thing to try and sell a product - I get it but to take it to this level and say how this game is super innovative b/c there is a jump ramp and a big ipad which was an obvious cost cutting play, makes me really lose respect for these people. There is a better more balanced way to handle it than basically telling your customers you think we're idiots - buy buy buy at 15k.

I'm exciting to play any new pinball and this will be no diff but this is a new low for JJP. You're going backwards from what you set out to do AND you're charging more.

I don’t think the pulled them. We are having trouble with our YouTube comments as well!!!

Would love a Lebowski but it's not happening either and that's ok.

Honestly I'm thrilled to own just Stern Pros. Hobby doesn't need to be crazy $$ to have fun.

It is clearly the (future) OWNER'S FAULT that they couldn't get more Woody and Buzz in the game. They are pretty minor characters in the Toy Story series anyways.

Forky is superior

Don't forget Pat...once again...expressing how this is cutting edge tech!

And Pat Van Winkle also welcomed us to the 21st century, 22 years after it started..!

Looks like a fun shooter .I swore off buying NIB JJPs n am sticking to it .Congrats to all who have waited for this .Best wishes I’ll just Exit stage left

Greg will give his classic B+, Zach will give it an A-.

I find it sorta strange that Zach feels that we cannot see through his agenda. He must feel, somehow, superior in inteligence to the rest of us. I find it a little sad and offputting.

Hahah, I just came across this in the video and laughed also

The whole thread is a Halloween repeat. See you on the other side guys.

If you aren’t excited after watching how we made TS4 pinball video, check your pulse. You may be dead inside. I can’t wait.

No Toys Story

Cool now you can go flip it. Oh wait, you already are trying. https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/137254

- Remove Powdercoat
- Replace lit backboard with something more static
- Remove hotrails and replace with white lights (like GNR)
- Replace sculpted curio cabinet with something cheaper
- No Shaker
- No Invisiglass

$10,500

Other, but more complex options
- Rework ball lock to reduce mechs
- replace spinning disc with virtual version

Awwww that’s a little harsh. Maybe pull that bag off your head. Things look a little clearer that way! I mean you haven’t even heard us talk about the game yet! Sad and off putting when your expected to shit on every game that comes out.

It's basically the same concept.. force buyers to the higher priced models to drive up your ASP and focus both demand and your resources there on the higher margin product. My point was simply that a SE now could amplify angst over the price bump too. Where if you simply hold back the SE.. and release it only if 'you need to', you do both. You drive demand to the higher priced products now AND can look like a savior by offering a lower priced alternative after the fact by 'listening to feedback'

Saw some questioning what the figures are from.

Seems to be cake toppers (found the others as well).

EDIT: As to not be confused as a negative opinion of the game, I do think the game looks like a lot of fun, and appears to have more than seen at a glance (though Toy Story was never a theme for me).

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Agreed. But your theme integration score should reflect what this could of and should of been...not just "how well did this game encapsulate the single Toy Story 4 film". The official title of the game is "Toy Story". Not "Toy Story 4".

i think it looks fun as hell. i get excited when i see the lawlor signature 5-insert arc above the flippers. i can't wait to play it.

all the curmudgeons can enjoy their grumbling and whining. maybe that's more fun than shooting a brand new lawlor game, to some. i'm just a more enjoy what i got, or do it better myself, kinda guy.

happy flippin' folks!

Operators make money by recurring coin drop exceeding (depreciation costs+operating costs) - not by breaking even on the sale price of a game.

Buying a $12k piece of equipment and selling it for $8k two years later only costs them $4k - not $12k.

My goodness, licensed Disney cake toppers on a $12k - $15k pinball machine? Well, at least there's a 10" LCD on the game right instead of a large main mechanical toy?

And it will…………….when we review it!!!!!!! That haven’t happened yet!

Any idea when we'll be able to hear your thoughts on it?

Actually Halloween is fun and was not $15k for the CE. And came with a lot more. So don’t even drag spooky into this mess.

Game looks like it will shoot well but man. They put cake toppers on the machine. Cake toppers.

Eh... mostly.

Here is an example.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/135292

This is the G&R SE that was on location at Ocelot. It got 3500 plays and the operator sold it for about what he paid for it after a year and a half. In that time it got about 3500 plays, so maybe $3000 in revenue if you count the free games.

But how many people drove to the building and bought beer just to play it? How many people came to league night and bough beer because of it? How many people stayed longer and bought beer because this was there?

I am under the impression coin drop on games doesn't really make much if any money. What it does do is bring people into the building who spend money on more expensive things.

It's all about the toppers.

Yes but the upfront cost is almost 2 Stern Pros. There is a reason most operators don't buy premium/LEs.

Exactly. And I'm sure a Godzilla Pro would draw more people for almost 1/2 the cost.

We filmed an initial impressions. So that should be out soon. We need some more time playing it before we actually review it though. People might not be happy with our initial impressions. After reading some of these post. I think I felt like a lot of people on here………. Until I flipped it and Joe talked me through some of the code. All I can say is I left there wanting a lot more time on that game to explore it! You get the feels of the game a little more than you think you do when you’re actually playing it. Even though it’s Toy story 4 it’s still toy story. You definitely feel that!

Deleted. Jumping to conclusions.

Truth be told, our HWCE was just over $15K CDN so there is that but we are enjoying it. Unique and great theme for us. Code and audio/video still being developed.

I mean...if they didn't do it modders would have

Love my Halloween! 10k

We are in no way!!!! In no way at all. As I mentioned earlier when people were saying that JJP was sensoring their comments there is something going on with YouTube. Literally all comments are turned on there is no censoring. So please… Stop. We don’t sensor-shit including your thoughts. We didn’t see any comments pop up for at least the first hour.YouTube issue not ours

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I like it. It’s still Toy Story and our family loves the franchise. This looks like a hybrid type machine with a lot of things involving the big screen. I’m okay with that too.

Godzilla Pro would absolutely bring more people in to buy Beer. However, Toy Story would bring more people in to buy pizza and attract more Birthday parties. One group has and spends alot more money though... and has transportation of their own.

It’s just good to see that some of the larger companies are taking from Homepin’s playbook.

I doubt it. On the whole, brats are into 2 second redemption games, not pinball.

I think that many are interested in playing it and I'm in that group but buying it is not of consideration at all and I don't think that playing it will change my mind. This is just too costly now, especially in CDN coin.

Don't be ridiculous. We welcome all comments, even if they are false such as yours...

I thought the SDTM video was great for game play. It actually might have been enough to make me have second thoughts about cancelling my CE spot. It's probably for the best that it was too late by the time it came out though.
I cant get excited for TS4 when I was hyped up on OG Toy Story.
It almost seems like it would have been smart to leak a couple months ago something confirming the title was TS4 so people could mentally prepare for it and wouldnt have woken up to massive disappointment.
Then again, what do I know. I'm just grouchy.

So what's the BOM on this 15K machine?

I don't see anything that costs more than any other machine, actually I see plenty that costs less.

Cake toppers.... incredible.

Say what you like. I've watched several negative comments disappear from the video. I guess Youtube or the posters must have deleted them then?

As mentioned a couple of times now, YouTube has been messy today. Comments were coming in but the system wasn't showing them. I believe it was a widespread issue. Even posting the video like we normally do with YouTube link on Facebook was not working properly initially.

My positive comment also disappeared, its Youtube not SDTM.