You think they will sell out 5k LE’s?? You can still get GNR LE’s.

I don’t pay tax on my pins or from pinball life or Marco’s. So your not 100% correct. Maybe on what your selling.

Nice. I will give my worthless prediction right here, right now. JJP’s next game will be/should be The Matrix….Fingers crossed

Not when I ship to my AZ address from out of state.

Everybody PayPal me $5 and I’ll give you my best prediction for jjps next game

Eric on Matrix is the way!

I believe you are still liable for the sales tax, regardless of whether the selling company collects it from you or not.

Not accurate at all. JJP likely charges tax in most states. How do y’all have money for $15k machines but not know what business and sales tax nexus is?

Cause some of us have more money than brains

Godfather makes no sense. The Matrix makes complete sense. Maybe Godfather was a code name for The Matrix? I hope so.

Speaking of Godfather, though...even if you're not a fan of the movie, watch The Offer on Paramount streaming. The cast is amazing and the series is extremely entertaining.

Whether or not you pay the tax you owe, you absolutely owe tax on stuff you buy online. It's in the AZ tax code:

https://azdor.gov/individual-income-tax-filing-assistance/understanding-use-tax

I can't imagine compliance is that high, but if you're ever audited and you've purchased a lot of pins online over the years, penalties and interest on the unreported liability could get painful.

Until JJP gets a true second line, I think they should time gate the LE’s. Limit the amount to how many they can make in a year or if they are not selling well send out a last call. JJP needs to be able to announce a new game every year, even if they have a hot seller. This will help create perceived limited availability. Also in case of a flop you can re-run an in demand title, like Stern does with their VE.

As someone who recently got audited I can confirm this is true. Also you aren’t only supposed to be paying taxes on new products but used ones as well. My Mrs Pac was made over 40 years ago and has been bought and sold several times but I still need to pay tax when I buy it because it’s not a tax on the item but a tax on the transaction. Or so it has been explained to me.

Apparently you don’t understand that there has never been a limit to JJPs “Limited Editions”. LE is an artificial marketing construct to drive demand for FOMO. They have never sold out LEs. And, if true that there won’t be an SE, it’s now the de facto base model of the game. JJP will build as many as they believe demand warrants over whatever lifespan they have set for the production run. Whatever number they set for LEs will be high enough that it won’t be exceeded.

But your incredulous statement that they will sell out 5k LEs in a week is what triggered my comment. Nothing to do with what an LE is or how fast they can be produced. No one has seen or played the game. They aren’t going to sell 5k total units in a week, let alone your implication of every LE game that will be produced.

I'm not sure the used machine/casual sale law is the same in all states. In AZ law I linked to, a casual sale of a used item (not a car, there are exceptions) between people who aren't in business to sell that kind of thing wouldn't be taxed. Dunno how it works in UT.

The Offer is incredible.

The whole cast is fantastic, but the actor that plays Bob Evans is incredible. He has the Bob Evans sound and mannerisms down cold. Also, the actor that played the eccentric Austrian Bludhorn part was always the center of attention when he was on screen. Giovanni Ribisi was also top notch. I could run down the cast one by one and talk about why they were great. Those three were the standouts, but literally the whole cast was just perfection. Lou Ferrigno even was in there as a mob goon!

HELLO EVERYONE...BEEN AWAY FOR SOME TIME.....GOING TO GET CAUGHT UP THIS WEEK AND BUY SOME OVERDUE MODS I HAVE BEEN WANTING...

NOTICE MY CAPS!!!!!

AND......

ITS 3AM....

ALREADY CONTACT JOE.....BUT HEARING ALOT OF RUMORS ON THIS. 1000 CE WOULD BE A LOT...BUT BASED ON HOW MANY WERE MAD ON GNRCE...I COULD THIS HAPPENING.....BUT AT 15K EACH....I DONT KNOW..???

Just texting Joe still? I thought by now you'd be sending him Cameos from Tan Mom and High Pitch Eric.

Very excited to see this game revealed, would love to grab an LE at some point and maybe if JJP announce do what they usually do by announcing another super duper edition (RE, YBR) without anything missing I’ll upgrade later.

JJP should just make a single pin, the Super Deluxe Ultra Limited Edition, #1/1.

Charge $25M and be done with it.

It'll still flip at like $48m, but just let it go, man.

If you order direct from JJP and shipped out of state there isn't any tax charged by JJP. Just shipping. Ask me how I know.

Does anyone else outside of Illinois who has ordered from JJP have a different story?

I believe it depends how many sales have been done in a particular state as there are different thresholds for them. Once met I believe tax occurs.. usually between 100000 and 500000 thousand which won't take long with the price of the ce being 15500+.

No surprise that it's not a simple answer.

There is a nexus list that tells the limits for everywhere

Over here , everyone pays 10% and that's included in the price .

Here ya go.. key post with taxes per state explained.
Pennsylvanians delt31 gets burned
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2019-new-pinball-purchase-will-be-taxed-/page/11#post-4789252

Sonds like from a sales tax standpoint, basically you've got to get creative by leveraging state's tax differences when you're purchasing.

I deal with online taxes daily and it’s a pain in the ass collecting for 23 states and going in monthly to each states portal and paying. Cost me around $25k a yr for programs and around 20 hrs a month. Most states are a number of transactions such as 250 -1000 orders but some are price like $100,000 to 175k you start paying. Govt really needs to step in for us small businesses and create a single portal that sends taxes to each state. It’s all nut and poorly done for online retailers. Everyone is different and some portals take hours to do where some are just a few minutes.

Why? Please provide some explanation.

Gas prices, taxes...what's next inflation complaints on this thread? C'mon guys.

Let's get a reveal today!

From my Spooky purchase, my understanding was if the company has a dealer/store in the state they collect tax.

I've seen GNR LE's in the low 4100 #'s so it's very possible they did do the whole run.

1st I've heard Eric & the Matrix! That would be so awesome!

Hopefully a reveal today!

Hopefully a video teaser today!

Hoping today is the day! I’ve been thinking Disney probaly wants this branded their latest version of the Toy Story series.I’m ok with that if they use some of the cool characters from other parts of the series.As long as it has a ton of assets from the movies as far as animations and sound I’ll be happy!
A huge bonus would be if the got some of the actors to do call outs and dialogue.Especially Tim Allen and Tom Hanks or his brother!

Dang it!!!! Let’s start the week with a awesome bang from JJP!

The hype train is already charged.. wait longer and it’ll fizz out.

Come on JJP! Today please.

The reason I missed out on getting a GNR CE is when I was about to click the button on the JJP site to check out, I decided I wanted to save tax and go through a distributor instead...and we all know what happened.....

My money is on a teaser trailer Tuesday with a full reveal this Friday.

I am sure the game will look good.

Just hope it's a good player.

Would love it if JJP beefed up the scoring, as not a fan of low scoring games.

Good to have a reveal soon!

Just add 3 or 6 zeros to the end of your score, whatever makes you feel better.

Definitely!

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Not gonna happen. Sane scoring is a hallmark of all JJPs.

I personally think games that award 1M points for plunging the ball are absurd.

Just remove 3 or 6 digits from the end of your score, whatever makes you feel better.

Actually I agree with you. Try playing No Fear sometime, almost every shot is worth a minimum of ten million...it's just silly.

Rumor has it that the CEs inflate scoring by a factor of 1000, that way you can buy your way onto the leader boards.

That is the rumored plan for the 100 Year Wizard of Oz anniversary edition. 1 of 1 and the monkey toy is back! Comes out in 2039, video applications start 2035.

What good does it do to text Joe early? According to him he doesn’t take names for a CE list and it’s supposed to be fair game for everybody. You saying you get out on the list before everybody else?

I think he was joking......

He has a long history of harassing his distro when new games come out and seeking approval for doing so here.

We’ll see. JJP sold about 4k LE’s in a few days when GNR was shown. Sure TS is $2k more but since, GNR prices rose to $11.5k. I think they could sell more this time as Toy Story is a much better theme with broad appeal to all ages.

No they didn’t, only now are JJP around the 4k mark of GnR LEs sold to date, not the first few days of its reveal.

Try living up in Ontario, Canada... 13% on top of about a 25% to 30% exchange rate...
Killer... but the things we do for Pinball...