Toy Story 4 (CE)
Jersey Jack, 2022
Toy Story 4 (LE)
Jersey Jack, 2022Quoted from zaphX:Unless I misunderstood, JJP is selling CEs direct too, right?
So why is everyone worked up over this? They aren’t gone…yet.
Sure it will be a launch day scramble but it’s premature to whine don’t you think?
Yeah that is my understanding, otherwise why would Ken have made that "how to order a CE" on the JJP Facebook group? Waiting for the reveal video myself and then ordering direct.
The more they sell direct the bigger their profit margin. My guess is if you want a CE you could probably get it but who knows. 15k?+tax+shipping. I’m hoping it won’t sell out in 2 seconds like sterns attempt to sell GZ LE direct.
I love asking
Quoted from Medic:The more they sell direct the bigger their profit margin. My guess is if you want a CE you could probably get it but who knows. 15k?+tax+shipping. I’m hoping it won’t sell out in 2 seconds like sterns attempt to sell GZ LE direct.
Good point about tax. Dumb question but I guess tax will be applied even if you’re not in Illinois? Damn 7% or so here in Penn on top of 15k? Yikes
Quoted from manadams:Don't think they're making SE's anymore.
No SE model for Toy Story? Only two models available? Bummer if so.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I think JJP should wait until they have all their CE orders, make that many and 100 more to stop the flippers destroying the hobby. This way everyone that wants a CE gets one and this removes the incentive for the flippers.
How would this help JJP? Why would they want to diminish the FOMO that drives sales?
Quoted from Nw55555:So how do you get patches then?
Inlanes….
Quoted from Sunsfan23:How long do you think it will take website to sell out of CEs? 30 minutes?
The more interesting questions to me are 1) how many LE’s and 2) when will they sell out? I’ll guess 5k LE’s and they sell out in one week. Therefore total run is 1k CE’s @ $16k (conventional wisdom is $15k but I say, nay) and 5k LE’s at $12.5k (you thought I’d say $12k, nope). Once the dust settles, that’s $20.25M of games sold in one week and produced over next 12 months. Pretty good for JJP, if it happens, and good for the customers.
Interesting talking point here…
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:The more interesting questions to me are 1) how many LE’s and 2) when will they be sold out. I’d say 5k LE’s announced and they sell out in one week.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:I’d say 5k LE’s announced and they sell out in one week.
I heard they have only sold around 4k GNR LE’s…and those were available under 10k. At the price points being tossed on here (12.5k and 15.5k), I think they would be fortunate to sell all 1,000 CE’s and 2,000 of the LE’s in the initial rush to buy machines.
Quoted from Skyemont:Is it being shown Monday or Tuesday?
video is probably Mon, after Stern’s scheduled presentation to distributors. Order banks likely to open Tues am.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:video is probably Mon, after Stern’s scheduled presentation to distributors. Order banks likely to open Tues am.
Great. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing this.
Quoted from TigerLaw:I heard they have only sold around 4k GNR LE’s…and those were available under 10k. At the price points being tossed on here (12.5k and 15.5k), I think they would be fortunate to sell all 1,000 CE’s and 2,000 of the LE’s in the initial rush to buy machines.
That is one strategy, whereby JJP reduces the number of LE’s to what they can produce in a shorter amount of time and then move on. So if they were going to stop at a lower number of games, like 2.5k, they might be able to finish them in six months. As we would expect Toy Story to run for years, JJP might move it to the smaller line and announce another Toy Story LE edition with 2.5k units, and at a higher price point. Then, the main line is freed up to produce next title. Who knows, but that would be a better strategy than the one I first proposed?
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:The more interesting questions to me are 1) how many LE’s and 2) when will they sell out? I’ll guess 5k LE’s and they sell out in one week. Therefore total run is 1k CE’s @ $16k (conventional wisdom is $15k but I say, nay) and 5k LE’s at $12.5k (you thought I’d say $12k, nope). Once the dust settles, that’s $20.25M of games sold in one week and produced over next 12 months. Pretty good for JJP, if it happens, and good for the customers.
What the hell are you smoking?
NFW 5k LEs sellout in a week. And, if there are no SEs I suspect LEs will be “unlimited”
Quoted from TigerLaw:No SE model for Toy Story? Only two models available? Bummer if so.
That's what many are saying/predicting, sucks cause I'm pretty much done paying over 10K for a pinball machine.
Quoted from Skyemont:These are all good points. I am just giving my thoughts on it. Thats all. Does not mean i am right or wrong. AND NO, I DO NOT HAVE A CE LINED UP.. I am not getting one..
We are not getting one either. I am just suggesting a solution to help people get the games they want. FOMO seems really big on Toy Story.
Quoted from Krupps4:I don’t think the GNR SE’s sold very well.
IMO, If that happens the LE will not be as desirable as it was on previous titles
Quoted from jfh:What the hell are you smoking?
NFW 5k LEs sellout in a week. And, if there are no SEs I suspect LEa will be “unlimited”
um, do you know what LE stands for?
Quoted from TigerLaw:How would this help JJP? Why would they want to diminish the FOMO that drives sales?
JJP wants to make and sell games. Flipping games in no way helps JJP sales, this only puts profit into flippers pockets. This gives JJP incentive to raise the price of the game. That will not help anyone.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:um, do you know what LE stands for?
Quoted from Krupps4:I don’t think the GNR SE’s sold very well.
Screenshot_20220612-211411_Chrome (resized).jpgScreenshot_20220612-211825_Chrome (resized).jpgQuoted from benheck:Probably gonna be Dialed-In 2: Zoomed In
Dialed in 2 : Electric Boogaloo
Quoted from pinballaddicted:JJP wants to make and sell games. Flipping games in no way helps JJP sales, this only puts profit into flippers pockets. This gives JJP incentive to raise the price of the game. That will not help anyone.
JJP can’t raise prices too much either or they’ll risk slow sales I think. Flipping will always be part of the hobby and only works with a few that missed out on the game or have plenty of money to splurge on a used CE game they really want.
Can I safely drain this thread and not miss out on the real news? I mean when there is real new there will be a dozen new threads right?
Drains……….byeeeeeee
Moderated 
Quoted from MaxIsDead:Can I safely drain this thread and not miss out on the real news? I mean when there is real new there will be a dozen new threads right?
Drains……….byeeeeeee
Moderated
See you later! Bye bye
Quoted from KornFreak28:JJP can’t raise prices too much either or they’ll risk slow sales I think. Flipping will always be part of the hobby and only works with a few that missed out on the game or have plenty of money to splurge on a used CE game they really want.
They can raise prices on CE *WAY* higher as long as they sell out within a few days.
How does JJP profit from $25k CE resales? They left $10k on the table. $10k that some connected guy/gal pocketed who “got on a list” early. It’s financially dumb to let a random pinvestor make money that JJP could have made.
Just make 100 super limited CEs with three additional $25 toys and sell them for $35000. That’s how you create hype and profit from it.
Quoted from galore2112:They can raise prices on CE *WAY* higher as long as they sell out within a few days.
How does JJP profit from $25k CE resales? They left $10k on the table. $10k that some connected guy/gal pocketed who “got on a list” early. It’s financially dumb to let a random pinvestor make money that JJP could have made.
Just make 100 super limited CEs with three additional $25 toys and sell them for $35000. That’s how you create hype and profit from it.
I understand but Again, that 10K some random dude made is way to random for JJP to raise prices that much. There’s only a few that would pay that much for a machine.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:video is probably Mon, after Stern’s scheduled presentation to distributors. Order banks likely to open Tues am.
Why would it matter when Stern's presentation is? Or did you mean JJP?
Quoted from romulusx:We all are pretty sure that the next JJP pin is TS but there’s no hint of what their next title is?
Kaneda's already posted his guess for the next JJP.
I hope they can keep a lid on things going forward, personally. Surprises are fun.
Quoted from allsportdvd:I'm pretty certain it's widely known that the next title is Godfather by Eric
I've heard a lot of people say the next game is actually The Matrix from Eric. I thought the Godfather rumor died out.
Quoted from zaphX:Kaneda's already posted his guess for the next JJP.
I hope they can keep a lid on things going forward, personally. Surprises are fun.
I agree surprises are fun!Short of the one big leak in Jersey there’s been a pretty tight lid on things.
If I had a choice I would like to see Steve or Eric on a Matrix pin!
Quoted from delt31:Good point about tax. Dumb question but I guess tax will be applied even if you’re not in Illinois? Damn 7% or so here in Penn on top of 15k? Yikes
No, no tax as long as the invoice is billed to an address outside the state of the company that is selling.
You positive about this?
Quoted from Vespula:No, no tax as long as the invoice is billed to an address outside the state of the company that is selling.
Quoted from Vespula:No, no tax as long as the invoice is billed to an address outside the state of the company that is selling.
I remember kaneda ordering a game direct on his live. He lives in NY. I don't remember if it was JJP or Stern, but he was charged tax on it.
Quoted from zaphX:Kaneda's already posted his guess for the next JJP.
I hope they can keep a lid on things going forward, personally. Surprises are fun.
Where do you guys see Kaneda’s posts? Instagram?
Quoted from zaphX:Kaneda's already posted his guess for the next JJP.
I hope they can keep a lid on things going forward, personally. Surprises are fun.
What was his guess?
Quoted from zaphX:He has a podcast you can sign up for Patreon.
I would like to know his guess for free!
5 bucks you get a ton of content. Surely you have 5 to spare sir…
Quoted from Noma2017:I would like to know his guess for free!
Quoted from djsolzs:5 bucks you get a ton of content. Surely you have 5 to spare sir…
I hate to take us down that road...
But it's not worth 5 bucks.
Do you though?
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:I hate to take us down that road...
But it's not worth 5 bucks.
Quoted from Vespula:No, no tax as long as the invoice is billed to an address outside the state of the company that is selling.
You pay tax according to your zip code. I'm in sales. If I sell you something you pay the tax for where you live.
That's how it works. Everywhere.
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