How do you gauge large unmet demand? You think they could sell 200 units @$11500?

As you note there is an unsold LE +$1500 over retail and standards still available.

I’m voting they won’t remake it, and if they do, prices will be a lot higher.

The stoppage had nothing to do with demand.

Lol nice name drop

They'll sell many more LEs than 200 at $9500 on a new run. Talk to distributors. They get calls about it all day long with cash in hand orders they can't fill. That's unmet demand.

So I just got off the phone with a representative at JJP because I wanted to order the devil's triangle rock formation, and she said they are no longer allowed to sell them... not that they were out... but specifically that they "could not sell anymore." She said originally they where ok'd to sell LE parts to SE owners, but that is now no longer allowed, so those of you that got them luccckkky.

But what's the profit @9500?

I wonder if those people are interested only because it's not available, the rarity factor. Once you take that away, I'd wonder if that demand would still be there.

That is a question for Jack. I'm sure it's a better margin at 2000 than 1000. I just know that walking away from hundreds of unmade sales that are not going to translate to Wonka is bad business. Jack will circle back.

I agree with the unmet demand aspect of what your saying however, production stopped very abrubtly and running low on parts doesn’t cause that.

They either weren’t hitting margins due to delays and/or issues with game

Or the Disney firing Johnny may be part of it. We visit Disney frequently and last time we were down there they were talking about taking the ride back to pre 2006 status without sparrow. They are also really pulling back on the licensing of jack sparrow toys.

Not sure how this impacts a deal like they had with JJP but there maybe something to that.

My advice to those wanting the game, take what is available with the assumption it won’t be made again, it’s a great game!

Jack said it was a 3 year deal which we are well into. Not sure if the delay cut into that or if the timing starts when the first one leaves the factory.
Jack seemed pretty sure at tpf that it wouldn’t happen and folks who spoke with Eric seemed to get the same feeling.

With the Devil’s Triangle it is largely irrelevant at the moment because there are almost none in stock and none on order.

Oh, I'm not recommending people WAIT for another run. If they have a chance to buy one of any flavor, they should lock that down ASAP. I'm talking about the theoretical future, and that's no guarantee.

That makes no sense...but ok

People bought them up when they could and depleted what little was left.

LTG : )

It makes sense - production ended, what was left of stock shifted to customer service stock since Pirates is done with a D, there weren’t many left a few sold, now there are a scant few for stock in case. No more will be ordered by the factory going forward.

If they don't remake it....Price will go up and I still wouldn't sell mine.

I think this depends on if Eric designs a Goonies!!!

Yeah Goonies would be cool.

I don't think I've ever been this excited to get a game.

Lol, my Preciousssss! Mine!

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Will the tortuga Tom work on an SE? Anyone know

They told me at JJP they would connect to a harness and work.

But I just got an email from JJP and Jack said this morning no more LE parts to be sold to SE owners. I know of a pinsider working on a mod for the spinning pirate, so maybe it doesn't matter.

If you were to go this route my Guess is there are MANY removed Tortuga Toms available if you wanted to by one. Mine included. IF you were going to add the figure (which would work stationary) I would do as many others have done and opt for the Series one real figures off Ebay. Looks much better then OEM and probably less cost. If you get a spinning mech later it would still work with this figure. Good Luck.

Sounds good, thanks for the advice. I've got to get a barrel full of your mods now... I hope they finish out any remaining LEs next year or reboot the line somehow with other trim options.

But now the demand is because of the stoppage.

See, I disagree. I don't think it's FOMO driving demand.

It is the fact you need to spend a little time playing this game for it to truly put its hooks in you.
Once people play it, they want it.

So true. Fits the can't have what you can't buy demand logic.

Very true!

Yep took the parents to TPF. Mom spent half the day playing just pirates over and over. She ordered one the next day! Great game lots to do. Easy to play hard to master. Next machine I would really be intrested from jjp in would be Harry Potter, Jaws (although stern allegidly has this one) or a jjp style star wars. Oh and goonies would be awesome.

Has to be said. GREAT Mom! My mom could care less about pinball congrats!

Once Jack's done making Wonka its reportedly Guns and Roses then Toy Story. Yes there's some money on the table to make a few more. But reportedly this game was a nightmare to build at the factory. But so long as you're selling all you can sell with the staffing you got, why look back? Wonka on the main line, WoZ on the small. And why ever pull WoZ, the gift that keeps giving? That said, nothing would surprise me long term. It's pinball.

Jack graciously gave me a call on a part question for JJPOTC. They simply ran out of parts and need all resources on Wonka now. He said the demand remains very high, as we know, and they simply didn't build enough machines. So...there is a definite possibility that they will build more LEs beyond the next two games, or if there is downtime between games. If they do build more LEs, there will be parts available to the Standard owners. It sounds like owners with playfield chipping can get a discounted playfield, but I didn't ask for more information. Here are the numbers, and I got permission:
1000 POTCs were built. 200 CEs, 650 LEs, and 150 Standards.
Jack wanted parts for 500 more, which he thinks would have sold easily, but there were some logistical decisions apparently that resulted in the 1000 number. All this to say, we are all pretty lucky to get these machines. My standard comes today, and I'm super excited. Jack is such a great guy, it was really fun to talk to him.

I would agree. I was interested in this pin then I learned they were done making it so fear of losing out kicked in. I waited too long for the LE.

Based on my conversation with Jack, I'd be surprised if you won't be able to get an LE down the line. Grab a Standard for a while and have some fun. The differences aren't that much and mods are a lot of fun.

The spinning mech is just a tiny DC motor that is in many cheap toys. I didn't look to see what kind of connector and where, but I can. The only real unique part is the barrel top and mount. It would take a bit of handy work and maybe someone doing some 3D printing but it should be able to be copied.

Got mine printed and installed today. Thanks again!

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I bet a lot of Standard owners would appreciate that!

Love your work Keffer! I already said get better now I’m saying your the man!

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So is Spiderman home edition. Thunderbirds is SUPER rare. Rarity doesn't equal resale value.

I'd paint it chocolate brown so it matches the ship's "wood."

That’s what I’ve been thinking also.
I wonder if someone like the modfather is eventually going to offer a bp painting option like he does with the ac/dc train?

Anyone willing to make some of these? Eh guys...? Wink wink!

I personally like the window/porthole idea and may play around with that for the LE we have.

I don’t think they had portholes on the old tall ships of that vintage. It was the diamond lead lined glass. And small square panes.

Psst.

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Where’s the light? Plastic translucent behind the window? Painted? Stop wasting time Harry! Chop chop!

They didn't have zombie skeletons and all the other fantastical stuff in the movies, either, if we're being slavish to the movies.

ouch!!!!

Harry hasn’t gone the portholes. I think that was more a Jules Verne look.

My friend, and former back-to-back Nevada state pinball champion... got to all 5 wizard modes last week! and I witnessed the whole game. (Game was set to 5 balls)
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