Hmm.. I MAY be one of the more recent CE owners... 12/27/18.

I know the pinside owner list only represents a small percentage of the overall community but I was surprised to see a total of 302 LE/CE owners. That seems low to me.

What’s the number under PF?

There are people that have bought CEs in the last couple weeks. Just dunno when they were made.

I bought a le, but haven't added it to my collection list.

Exactly why I said the pinside numbers are naturally low. Many that don’t show what they have.

So CEs aren't broken out from LEs if your CE is 566. The LE here is almost 800, in mid-feb, so 6 weeks to make ~200 from the one you have in late Dec. So, maybe 1000 total then.

Interesting mine is a 10/8/18 build with a PF of 187.

So it looks like they were building about 35 a week/7 a day. Adding 385 (almost 11 weeks from 10-8 to 12-27) puts it at 572, which is almost dead on to the actual 566 number.

I am really not seeing meaning/patterns in these blue numbers.

Mine is 376 on an 11/19/2018 build date.

Look harder.

187 on 10/8 plus 5.5 weeks (10/8 to 11/19) of ~35/week puts the output at 379 on 11/19 - almost dead on to what you have and certainly within the margin of ~7 for that build day. Seems to be very accurate as long as they're constantly building. It gets sketchy in March/early April because they ran out of parts and we don't know when that happened exactly so the constant rate doesn't apply.

But it seems like they will have made about 1000 in total for the run of all three flavors combined.

For those with SE, by choice or missing out on LE order I put in the back illumination from Mezel mods, looks great! I now ordered $500 in mods, damn hobby.

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Interesting. I had two machines, one built on a Friday and the other built the following Monday. The difference in serials was 23. (Not sure on the blue numbers as I no longer have the Monday machine to check it.)

$500... ha, chump change! I can easily spend $1000!

Why is your BP spotlight pointed to the left?

I took out the backboard lighting on my LE because it makes the starmap look horrible.

They could have had a weekend shift that Saturday (first one Friday to last one Monday, plus a Saturday would be 21 at 7 a day), but it's certainly within the macro average output of ~35 a week. I think the weekly number is more stable. The daily variations within the week are probably a lot greater.

Whatever the production number is, it's clearly not enough

Using the 35/week, I made a quick spreadsheet (no graph) with actual vs expected. They're VERY close. IF they ran to 3/15 solid, they'd have 954. 3/25 would put them at 1004.

Date Actual Expected
8-Oct 187
19-Nov 376 397
12/27/2018 566 566
2/11/2019 794 796
3/15/2019 ??? 954

Especially since the most desirable model is only 70% or so of those 1000. Nowhere near enough for the growing demand. Pretty sure Jack will circle back to this once Wonka fizzles and run a fill-in. There's enough demand and I assume it will only grow as the software is polished a bit more.

Also, I just re-read your post and realized you were talking about the serial numbers being 23 apart. That's meaningless. The only thing that matters is the blue number on the playfield. The serials are somewhat to massively arbitrary. So your two pins were probably actually much closer if you compare blue numbers (have your buyer look!).

Has anyone with production in mar/apr posted a PF number?

Not that it matters just interesting data points.

I don't think they were making them in April, until MAYBE the last couple days since they were out of parts to finish what they had left to do for the whole month. But it would be interesting to see if any March builds post their blue number.

I didn’t even notice, I’ve had it 3 days and didn’t think of it. It should be pointed back I’m guessing?

Haha ok I wasn’t expecting this sort of response! This is my first JJP machine and I’ve only played a few games on location before last night. I know that JJP machines tend to score lower than Sterns so I didn’t really know if this was a good score or not. Guess I have my answer!

When I say I don’t know the rules, I know some of the basics - ie how to start the chest multiball, that I have to hit all of the major shots to light the multiball on the left ramp, that loops from the upper flipper lead to another multiball etc. I just don’t know the intracacies of the scoring and rules. I’m not sure how I got this score but I had a couple of multiballs with a good playfield multiplier and arr frenzy running at the same time on one ball, tortuga on another ball... no idea what else was going on to be honest!

But to answer one question, yes this is a real score, three ball game, glass on, although from what everyone is saying I doubt I’ll ever beat it. Do high scores carry over when the software is updated on JJP machines?

Welcome Yeah, it lights the BP playfield... should help a bit

I believe they carryover, settings seem to.

I bet you'll beat it, if you can throw that kind of score down without being school in the rules then you obviously have the skill to hit shots reliably especially on a new machine with issues.

I have taken a photo of the inside label for CE number 030, with a manufacture date of 8th January 2019. I have not looked at the blue marker as I am not sure what else that would add?

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The blue number stamped on the bottom of the playfield is the actual order. The serial numbers are meaningless for production tracking.

Your blue number should be in the low 600's.

Delta updates do not overwrite settings and high scores. However, FULL installs do. You should backup your settings/scores before doing any full install, so you can restore them afterwards.

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So to clarify does the LE have a number presented on the back box in the same way that a CE does?

Yes, there's a collector's plate with a number on the LEs, too.

So if we have 200 CE's I am yet to get a final figure on the LE production run?

Anyone anywhere any input?

A> We don't know that 200 CEs are actually built or will be built. That was the limit, not the total actually produced.
B> The blue number is ALL jjPotCs, SE, LE, CE, so we can only guesstimate. It looks like ~1000 is the total made.

Okay so LE's and CE's (er and maybe SE's) all made together and the sequence is the blue number underneath the playfield, that is interesting. I will have a look in the morning and see what it is.

TBH I was surprised to get a 30 manufactured in 2019!

I think the 200 figure for CE is documented, the one that is missing is the LE?

You may have gotten a 130 CE with a 30 plate for all we know. The number on the plate is meaningless and distributors/customers often request specific numbers on their plate.

The 200 LIMIT is documented. We don't know how many were actually produced. They may not have hit the limit.

So the number of LE's is unknown then?

I here the feedback on the CE, but not much on the LE production run? Please bear in mind that for WW the production numbers are in the public domain right now for CE and LE, this does not seem to be the case foe POTC?

You're confusing the stated production LIMITS for each type with the ACTUAL amount made. Wonka hasn't even been released yet. There's no production numbers made and verified.

On jjPotC since the SE, LE, and CE production was combined with the blue number on the playfield and not separated out, we may never know the actual amount of each. Just a rough total and an estimate of how that breaks down.

Pretty fascinating conversation.

You guys REALLY want to know how many are out there or going to be out there, yea?

Yours is the 197th CE built. The blue stamped number is the overall sequence number for all models combined.

But are the serial number stickers reliable indicators of actual order?

The one we have is blue "combined" PF number 794, serial number 514.

If that's the case (and they made 3 more to hit the CE limit), that means that as of 2/11/19, they had only made 83 SE units.

Yes, but only within each model. My guess as to how these are numbered was unofficially verified.

That is an interesting comment from you. Most people would think that a limited edition of say 500 meant that only 500 would ever be made?

Not sure how something like this could be confusing to the average person etc?

Below is the WW information that is in the public domain but the same doe not exist for POTC?

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794 overall. If you have an LE, it would be serial numbered 08731514 to be the 514th LE in the run, 794th overall counting all models.

08731 = LE
08732 = SE
08733= CE

Next three digits = sequence within each model

Yes please

Correct. Very few SE’s were made. Number 97 was made in first week of March. Highest SE number I have personally seen is 115 (08732115)

Again, you're confusing the LIMIT for that model (the most they will make) with the amount ACTUALLY MADE. Totally different numbers. Hint: They're never selling 5000 Wonka LE machines. 20% of that number will be a victory.

Now that is very interesting, the scenario that CE's built don't follow a build number. So 030 is the 197th built.

I get that from a factory perspective if thousands of pins are being created in a production environment.

Interesting.

Correct. Plaque means nothing as to sequence built. Totally random and in no way cumulative. You could have LE 999 but that doesn’t mean that many were built.

So that (SE late in the run at 115 and 200CEs) puts us back at about 70% of the machines being LEs, or about 700 of the ~1000 total run.