If Addams Family had been a widebody, would it have sucked even more?

I've only been saying for the last year. JJP it appears will look to streamlines everything from parts to playfields to cabinets. Personally I'd like to see more widebody games but at the end of the JJP needs to make more games faster. Wonka was still amazing widebody or not. JJP is the best in the business so whatever they do it will still be amazing.

TZ might be a widebody but it plays like a narrow body... the left 3 inches of the game are unused except for gadgets and the dead end lane. Rightmost inch and a half is also unused except for the shooter lane.

Games like hobbit and DM and IJ that use the full widebody width just play slower at the orbit shots, whereas games like RS and TZ compessed the action and played better IMHO.

I was all obsessed with Wide-bodies for years, got a WOZ partly because of it, then I got a TSPP at home and I've been playing Dialed In on location intensively and I must say I was wrong, standard body rules.

The problem with Widebodies is how the ball floats horizontally especially on the lower playfield part. That's where the action starts on a standard body, it becomes frantic and you have to keep an eye on the ball.

I don't think it goes against packing a playfield with stuff, even more when playing The Hobbit who I think could have been a much more fun game to play if it was a standard body.

U still wrong.
Both have their merits. Some games just lend themselves better to a widebody or standard. Why not make both. Every 3 pins make a widebody.

JJP is a company at the end of the day and profits will rule. Unfortunately, they took up the extra margin and sold Wonka LE and CE at the same wide body price points. Companies never go back once they take up slack, so there is no way they will give that savings up again. The problem now, is there is no more slack to take and their price points are already teetering on the edge of the “no thanks” threshold. So they can’t raise prices again to reinstate wide body since it will price out more buyers.

It was a way to make more profit without charging more, but at the expense of wide body, upper playfield, and possibly innovative mechs, if Wonka is any example of the new normal. We will find out for sure with GnR, because we know if it ends up being basic like Wonka it sure as hell won’t be because of Eric. It would mean that bean counters stripped his design. I hope I am wrong and GnR brings back the POTC level of innovation, despite the lack of space in a standard body. I’d rather have cutting edge design and mechs even if it means I have a few more things to tweak and fix. If GnR Is a letdown, I’ll just add a WOZ next to my POTC and wait until they figure it out.

I didn't buy Wonka, but wasn't the standard sold at a pretty competitive price? You don't *have* to buy an LE.

Wonka is amazing and the standard is a great buy for a nib imo. Offers alot of pin/features for under 7500 nib...

Competitive to a Stern prem. Not getting into the value argument, just staring the entry level price is steeper for sure.

Right - I suppose I meant "competitive when compared to another JJP title"

Yeah it was nice they dropped the price 500.

Pat never said TZ widebody nature was mistake... if you listen to his interview on TOPcast, he clearly states that TZ's complexity was a mistake. He felt they made it too difficult for the average player to understand.

No more widebodies. I want to make sure whatever style cabinet they do is Pat approved. Not something he was forced to do.

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There's zero upside to an official announcement. All the widebody fans would whine, and if you ever change your mind, you get called a liar. Just keep making standard bodies but don't draw a line in the sand.

Yeah I totally agree. I have owned a few widebodies and loved the way they play. I also love fast standard body games too. Heck, even BOP with what seems to be short shots is fun lol.

Just keep making games JJP and I will be happy!

This thread is a quadrilateral jerk.