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JJP Moving to Illinois


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    #251 7 months ago
    Quoted from WillSmuz8999:

    Albeit immediately disruptive to business, as mentioned, this move makes business sense, in many ways. The consolidation of the two leases into one. The Engineering / Manufacturing in one location. The sheet metal, coin doors, pinball legs, wood cabinets, transformer, coils, common injection molded parts, and many other parts are made within a 20 minute ride from Elk Grove Village. The freight savings and logistic benefit is huge. The labor pool, as mentioned near Elk Grove, is a real asset, not to mention the pinball talent in the area. I am happy for the whole team at JJP, moving into their new facility.

    Could you stop being so rational....Geeze! Pinside is the place to spew wild unsubstantiated conjecture as if it was fact.

    I think you're in the wrong forum.

    /sarcasm

    #252 7 months ago

    Good move on JJP's part. It is always good to be near the competition. Find the central hub for your business and locate there.

    When customers go shopping they are going to go where the action is at. This is why you see car dealerships clustered in one area of town; Or maybe two areas of town. You WANT to be next to Honest Charlies' used car lot so when people get tired of looking for cars there then they will come to your lot and look around.

    If you opted to open your car lot 3 miles south of town for the cheaper rent you will eat away at your cost savings with all the advertising you will have to buy just so people will know where you are at.

    And as one poster noted, it is easier to poach the competition's help. I don't know about Illinois, but in Kansas, a company cannot put a factory worker into a non-compete clause. If you lost your job in one company and were bound by non-compete you would have to find a job in fast food or leave the state for another job. If Stern's factory workers are not bound by non-compete then Stern might have to raise their wages to keep them from jumping ship; Good for the employees but it might drive pinball prices up

    My town: Cessna Aircraft is on the southeast side. Beech Aircraft is 5 miles away on the northeast side. The other Cessna plant is on the southwest side of town just a couple of miles south of the Learjet plant.

    I worked at Beech. I knew people at Lear and Cessna. Some people worked at Lear and moved to Cessna. Some worked at Cessna and moved to Beech.

    We have hundreds of machine shops in town that service the aircraft industry. When I was a buyer, I could drive across town and visit a supplier to discuss a problem issue with a part. On the way back I could stop at another supplier and see how production was going.

    There was some consolidation and Textron which owns Bell Helicopter and Cessna bought Beech 6 years ago. Before the consolidation, I was working with a lady who was fired from Cessna; She applied and was hired at Beech. About a year later, the woman who fired her got a job at Beech and found out she was the supervisor over the lady that she had fired over at Cessna

    Boeing used to be here building the heavy jets you all fly in, but Boeing sold all of its manufacturing assets to a company named Spirit. Spirit is an independent company but 70% / 80% of its business is making 737s for Boeing ( the 737 Max grounding has caused Spirit to lay off 2800 workers).

    Airbus opened an Engineering office downtown a few years ago because this is where a lot of aircraft engineering talent lives.

    If you want to be an aircraft engineer this is where you come for a job.

    Good move by JJP. Chicago is where all of the resources are.

    #253 7 months ago

    FIBjackpinball??

    My Wisconsin friends will get this one...

    #254 7 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    No. Keep production in USA!

    You mean assembling?

    #255 7 months ago
    Quoted from bobukcat:

    More likely Mexico would be cheaper especially with this kind of unique assembly and the fact that probably 85% of the end-product is sold in the North America.

    I´m not sure that on a larger scale the transport cost makes up for the lacking efficiency assembling in mexico instead of china.

    Parts from china and us -> Assembling in mexico -> distribution mainly us.
    V.S.
    Parts from china and us-> Assembling in china -> distribution mainly us.

    #256 7 months ago

    If it’s going to help produce a better machine all for it.

    #257 7 months ago
    Quoted from bssbllr:

    If it’s going to help produce a better machine all for it.

    Well, when Mirco comes to town for business, both companies can tag team Mirco about play field quality issues

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    #258 7 months ago
    Quoted from wolfemaaan:

    So Jersey Jack will no longer have any presence in Jersey, but somehow still be called Jersey Jack?
    When the Minneapolis Lakers left Minneapolis and moved to Los Angeles, they became The Los Angeles Lakers (same with the Brooklyn Dodgers)
    So somehow Jack is still going to be called Jersey Jack in Chicago?
    Now that’s the craziest shit I’ve ever heard of.

    That’s really the craziest shit you’ve heard of? Man, sheltered life.

    By the way 20th century Fox still releases movies.

    IN THE 21st CENTURY!!!!

    Truly the end of times.

    #259 7 months ago
    Quoted from musketd:

    Just show us GNR please

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    #260 7 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    That’s really the craziest shit you’ve heard of? Man, sheltered life.
    By the way 20th century Fox still releases movies.
    IN THE 21st CENTURY!!!!
    Truly the end of times.

    Disney is going to drop the Fox part. Now it is just 20th Century Studios.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/17/disney-remove-fox-20th-century-film-name/

    #261 7 months ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Whirlpool not challenging enough?
    I just mean this as your town is close to Whirlpool's engineering and tech centers.

    I like what I do, but to work in the world of pinball would be a cool opportunity I think.

    #262 7 months ago

    Whirlpool engineering and tech is an oxymoron. Well, I guess you can engineer with the intent of making sure your products only last 2-3 years.

    #263 7 months ago
    Quoted from Foo:

    FIBjackpinball??
    My Wisconsin friends will get this one...

    D'oh!!

    #264 7 months ago
    Quoted from cottonm4:

    Disney is going to drop the Fox part. Now it is just 20th Century Studios.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/17/disney-remove-fox-20th-century-film-name/

    Looks like you got Foxed crazylevi

    Maybe Disney should move to Fox city now in the 21st century and call themselves the Jersey Disneyland of New Orleans

    Crazy world we live in Seattle Crazy Levi of Austin Nevada

    #265 7 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Why is Stern trying to save 50 cents a game by putting cheap coil stops in their $6k - $15k games?

    They try to save 50 cents on every part that goes into the game. It adds up. Every once a while it bites you in the ass, like with coil stops. Ship replacements to the loudest complainers, lose zero sales, and keep counting the money.

    Just think what Stern games would cost if they opted for the highest quality on every part.

    #266 7 months ago
    Quoted from yancy:

    Just think what Stern games would cost if they opted for the highest quality on every part.

    Would it be closer to JJP pricing then? If so, imagine the outcry given comparisons to toys, features, code, screen size...

    So the cost cutting might be trying to find and hold the middle ground as a result of price pressure on the high end, although obviously not in ways the end purchasers desire. As for high-end pressure, allegedly even JJP is struggling despite charting that territory, so there is clearly a cap somewhere. I wonder who is pressuring who.

    #267 7 months ago
    Quoted from yancy:

    They try to save 50 cents on every part that goes into the game. It adds up. Every once a while it bites you in the ass, like with coil stops. Ship replacements to the loudest complainers, lose zero sales, and keep counting the money.
    Just think what Stern games would cost if they opted for the highest quality on every part.

    Save 50 cents on one part. If you make 10,000 games per year that is $5,000.00 cost savings. Just on one part. Save 50 cents on 5 parts and the cost savings is $25,000.00. That is an assembly line job for somebody. That $25K finances the building of 5-10 more pins. Or helps pay for company health care. And that is for 10K units. 20K units? Double everything.

    #268 7 months ago

    Interesting article though I do find it funny that he says DI CE sold out in hours yet you can still buy one

    #269 7 months ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    I agree on points A, C, and most recently E (they used to be great).....totally disagree on points B and D

    Funny I agree on A and D

    #270 7 months ago

    I certainly hope the playwright Tennessee Williams never lived anywhere except Tennessee! That would be an outrage!

    #271 7 months ago
    Quoted from JodyG:

    Kaboom...Kaneda's rumor was right.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    #272 7 months ago
    Quoted from JY64:

    Interesting article though I do find it funny that he says DI CE sold out in hours yet you can still buy one

    Sold out at the factory versus sold out at the distributor are two different things....

    #273 7 months ago
    Quoted from cottonm4:

    Save 50 cents on one part. If you make 10,000 games per year that is $5,000.00 cost savings. Just on one part. Save 50 cents on 5 parts and the cost savings is $25,000.00. That is an assembly line job for somebody. That $25K finances the building of 5-10 more pins. Or helps pay for company health care. And that is for 10K units. 20K units? Double everything.

    When the games are $6k - $9k+ companies shouldn't be trying to save money on coil stops and other similar items. These are luxury items and should be made with quality parts considering the all time record high NIB prices. At some point, and we've reached it, the cost saving strategies are not only disgusting but also inexcusable.

    #274 7 months ago

    I can tell that pinball has gone full-blown rich guy hobby with everyone here celebrating unfettered corporate welfare.

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    #275 7 months ago
    Quoted from usandthem:

    I can tell that pinball has gone full-blown rich guy hobby with everyone here celebrating unfettered corporate welfare.

    Not idea what you are saying here, so this might be a good time to mention I like turtles

    #276 7 months ago
    Quoted from wolfemaaan:

    Not idea what you are saying here, so this might be a good time to mention I like turtles

    This is by far your best post in this thread. Well done.

    #277 7 months ago
    Quoted from wesman:

    They've always had split offices, which never made good business sense or practice. That was most likely done for reasons we can only speculate on

    What's to speculate on?

    When you try to convince the types like Lawlor to join your company and they say "I don't want to move.." you say "ok, you can keep doing your thing in IL" because they would do anything to get those types on board.

    People working remote on pinball development is not a new concept.. even in the 80s and 90s people did it.

    #278 7 months ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    What's to speculate on?
    When you try to convince the types like Lawlor to join your company and they say "I don't want to move.." you say "ok, you can keep doing your thing in IL" because they would do anything to get those types on board.
    People working remote on pinball development is not a new concept.. even in the 80s and 90s people did it.

    Correct...the industry was born and flourished in Chicago, so it stands to reason the majority of experience is located there, and it also stands to reason if they are experienced at all, they would be settled in Illinois and would not want to re-locate to Jersey.

    The move to Illinois will save money, but there is more to it than that....it also costs money to move and to re-train. It's like starting over. I'm not saying the cost savings are not attractive....I'm saying there is more to the decision than just combining facilities. If they were moving to Kansas City as was rumored a few years ago, then I would say it was savings driven....but Chicago is just as an expensive place to live as Jersey, and even though you might get a few tax breaks, you still have to pay the high wages and all of the other high costs. Maybe it is as simple as this being the home town of one of the major investors...but there is something there that is helping to drive this decision.

    #279 7 months ago
    Quoted from flynnibus:

    When you try to convince the types like Lawlor to join your company and they say "I don't want to move.." you say "ok, you can keep doing your thing in IL" because they would do anything to get those types on board.

    In the beginning of the Chicago office. There was Joe Balcer, Keith Johnson, then Ted Estes. Those three made a separate location worthwhile to keep them.

    Then add Pat Lawlor, and Joe Cox. And probably some I'm forgetting.

    So the Chicago office keeps getting more and more worth while.

    Though I don't know if that is any part of the reason for the NJ manufacturing to move or not. It is the likely reason to keep the Chicago office going.

    LTG : )
    Disclaimer : I can't wait to visit the new place with everything under one roof. I've seen New Jersey, and each of the three different places the Chicago office has been.

    #280 7 months ago
    Quoted from Manimal:

    Maybe it is as simple as this being the home town of one of the major investors..

    No.

    LTG : )

    #281 7 months ago
    Quoted from cottonm4:

    Good move on JJP's part. It is always good to be near the competition. Find the central hub for your business and locate there.
    When customers go shopping they are going to go where the action is at. This is why you see car dealerships clustered in one area of town; Or maybe two areas of town. You WANT to be next to Honest Charlies' used car lot so when people get tired of looking for cars there then they will come to your lot and look around.

    You should really lookup the topic of ZONING - and its impact on where businesses are located...

    The idea of poaching customers who were intending to goto retailer A... doesn't really play in here when talking about jobs, not retail.

    Quoted from cottonm4:

    If Stern's factory workers are not bound by non-compete then Stern might have to raise their wages to keep them from jumping ship

    "factory workers" are simple contractors hired through temp agencies. Obviously there are true staff in management and engineering.. but most assembly plants work with contract labor. It streamlines things and gives you flexibility.

    #282 7 months ago
    Quoted from Manimal:

    Correct...the industry was born and flourished in Chicago, so it stands to reason the majority of experience is located there, and it also stands to reason if they are experienced at all, they would be settled in Illinois and would not want to re-locate to Jersey.

    It's simply about individuals and their sway. Who has the negotiating power? When you go and try to secure that kind of tough talent... you have to give them concessions.

    Quoted from Manimal:

    The move to Illinois will save money, but there is more to it than that....it also costs money to move and to re-train. It's like starting over. I'm not saying the cost savings are not attractive....I'm saying there is more to the decision than just combining facilities.

    Everyone is fixated on 'jersey jack' naming... people should stop fixating on such trivial stuff and look at the bigger picture. The move represents a big opportunity to pivot the company. Maybe people should stop fixating on 'jersey' in the name and should consider if what they should be wondering about is "JACK" in the name. You could find a new GM named at the new site.. and a company rebranding too...

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    #283 7 months ago

    Not in love with the “Jersey Jack” brand name. Never have been. It’s too regional. But there stuck with it now.
    I would convert slowly over to a different brand name. You have to have a pretty big ego to name the company after yourself and where you live imo.

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    #284 7 months ago

    Don’t get why companies sometimes make such long names for themselves. Everything becomes convoluted with long names and more difficult for customers just typing in the url. Make your name as short as possible like, Stern Pinball, Spooky Pinball, American Pinball. JJP should rebrand to make the name shorter and give it a new lease on a new beginning. They can shed much of the past that way and go forward in a new way. JJP has always been a tough name and most refer to it as JJP. Just saying Jack or Jersey doesn’t cut it. One short name in a corporate identity usually works best.

    #285 7 months ago
    Quoted from kklank:

    Not in love with the “Jersey Jack” brand name. Never have been. It’s too regional. But there stuck with it now.
    I would convert slowly over to a different brand name. You have to have a pretty big ego to name the company after yourself and where you live imo.

    Alliteration and charisma work quite well!

    From what I've always heard/read, the naming was more a formality than ego.

    Gotlieb, Williams, Stern, Bally....definitely not named after people.

    #286 7 months ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Looks like manufacturing will be 5 miles from the design offices and right beside O’Hare airport.
    [quoted image]
    My vote is - Chicago’s Own, Jersey Jack becoming South Shore’s Chicago Jack.

    Bensenville, Illinois place is right at EOE and IL-83 (Very near stern)

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    #287 7 months ago
    Quoted from kklank:

    You have to have a pretty big ego to name the company after yourself and where you live imo.

    I doubt it's ego.

    It evolved. A man at Replay Magazine referred to Jack as Jersey Jack before the company was even thought of. And the company was started and built in New Jersey.

    I more look at it as look at the kahoonies on this guy. He had a dream. Built it from the ground up into a reality. And pinball is forever changed.

    A man that accomplished all that can call it what ever the F**K he wants. He earned it and deserves it.

    LTG : )

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    #288 7 months ago

    JJP logo needs changing as well, imo. An outline of New Jersey, doesn’t cut it any longer and the company would have to take more time explaining that to people than selling a new pinball machine. If they wanted to keep familiar branding, just Jack Pinball, with a new logo.

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    #289 7 months ago
    Quoted from jimwe5t:

    JJP logo needs changing as well, imo. An outline of New Jersey, doesn’t cut it any longer and the company would have to take more time explaining that to people than selling a new pinball machine. If they wanted to keep familiar branding, just Jack Pinball, with a new logo.

    Like your average pinball buyer or player knows or gives a shit where JJP machines are actually built?

    Seriously...of all the things to get hung up on.

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    #290 7 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    I doubt it's ego.
    It evolved. A man at Replay Magazine referred to Jack as Jersey Jack before the company was even thought of. And the company was started and built in New Jersey.
    I more look at it as look at the kahoonies on this guy. He had a dream. Built it from the ground up into a reality. And pinball is forever changed.
    A man that accomplished all that can call it what ever the F**K he wants. He earned it and deserves it.
    LTG : )

    It's true. These days, when every other week there's some new amateur hour pinball company entering the fray and love tapping playfields with sledge hammers, it's hard to imagine when there was ONE pinball company and the idea that there would someday be two seemed absolutely ridiculous.

    It's REALLY hard for people to imagine, especially newbies from the past 5 years.

    Well, 10 years ago there was one pinball company, barely. And then, against all conceivable odds, there was two. Like you said, or tried to say, it took serious cajones. And whether or not they've managed to turn a profit, it's still a miracle that they are around 10 years later.

    It ain't as easy as it looks folks!

    #291 7 months ago

    Maybe the company is named after the founder who had the nickname Jersey Jack, not the location of the plant? It doesn't seem that complicated to me, but maybe I'm missing something?

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    #292 7 months ago
    Quoted from iloveplywood:

    but maybe I'm missing something?

    Stupidity

    #293 7 months ago

    I have some if anybody needs any

    #294 7 months ago
    Quoted from jimwe5t:

    Don’t get why companies sometimes make such long names for themselves. Everything becomes convoluted with long names and more difficult for customers just typing in the url. Make your name as short as possible like, Stern Pinball, Spooky Pinball, American Pinball. JJP should rebrand to make the name shorter and give it a new lease on a new beginning. They can shed much of the past that way and go forward in a new way. JJP has always been a tough name and most refer to it as JJP. Just saying Jack or Jersey doesn’t cut it. One short name in a corporate identity usually works best.

    Quoted from jimwe5t:

    JJP logo needs changing as well, imo. An outline of New Jersey, doesn’t cut it any longer and the company would have to take more time explaining that to people than selling a new pinball machine. If they wanted to keep familiar branding, just Jack Pinball, with a new logo.

    I really thought wolfemaaan was in a league of his own in this thread. I stand corrected.

    #295 7 months ago
    Quoted from cottonm4:

    Save 50 cents on one part. If you make 10,000 games per year that is $5,000.00 cost savings. Just on one part. Save 50 cents on 5 parts and the cost savings is $25,000.00. That is an assembly line job for somebody. That $25K finances the building of 5-10 more pins. Or helps pay for company health care. And that is for 10K units. 20K units? Double everything.

    Piss off 5 potential paying customers because of crappy quality and whatta ya got? Nothing! Piss off 10 then you are $25k in the hole. Fine line. Yo have to do cost cutting right.

    At least pins don’t fall out of the sky and people die.

    #296 7 months ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    I doubt it's ego.
    It evolved. A man at Replay Magazine referred to Jack as Jersey Jack before the company was even thought of. And the company was started and built in New Jersey.
    I more look at it as look at the kahoonies on this guy. He had a dream. Built it from the ground up into a reality. And pinball is forever changed.
    A man that accomplished all that can call it what ever the F**K he wants. He earned it and deserves it.
    LTG : )

    Well said. Exactly what I was thinking. ; )

    #297 7 months ago

    Here's an original idea for those wanting a name change: Illinois Pinball

    #298 7 months ago
    Quoted from pipes:

    I really thought wolfemaaan was in a league of his own in this thread. I stand corrected.

    What on earth is so wrong with common sense suggestions of improving a company name and image?
    Do you and the other 3 down voters resist change and improvements that much?

    Get over it, they moved the company out of New Jersey so they could even stay in business, because of all the folly and poorly run company in New Jersey, prior to this move. New image and times are in good order for the new Chicago based JJP. It has certainly taken them long enough to recognize what should have happened from the beginning.

    #299 7 months ago
    Quoted from fattdirk:

    Heavy = quality apparently to some. Lol.

    That's what Lizzo believes...

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    #300 7 months ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    That's what Lizzo believes...

    Heavy in pinball terms usually means outdated, old tech and very cumbersome. Anyone that has tried to move a widebody JJP machine knows the weight of poor design and old mech tech is as heavy as a small automobile (lol). Stern, Spooky, American Pinball, CGC has the weight balance figured out and for good reasons to stay with that balance.

    That’s why Pat has always refused to make widebody anything. He gets it and understands why no modern company makes that albatross of a design any longer. The ball meanders all over the play field on a widebody, along with all the other physic issues constantly happening.

    The math on pinball field design was done for a reason and settled on the standard size play field we have now for goods reasons. Just like all sports fields have been determined to be optimal for their respective games.

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