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JJP has PROVEN themselves better than Stern

By Cobray

3 years ago


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#231 3 years ago

Be it politics, cars, sports why must we always be pitted against a side. In politics I understand the necessity for taking sides as a decision in politics can directly affect your life. In pinball, it's all fun. Think JJP is overpriced? don't buy it. Think Stern is the better value? buy it. Why is there a need to prove your decision is correct?. These are toys. I love them all. Will I buy them all? no. But I still love playing them.

Competition is a good argument. Some people buy rare pinball machines (Magic Girl) to show that you have the means to purchase a game and can show it off. NOT because it plays great. We are competitive in nature. Humans are born screaming for attention. Enjoy your Stern, Spooky, JJP, CGC they are all a blast.

We all seek different things in pinball machines, some like flow, some like stop and go, for some people artwork is very important, some code. It's great that there is something for everyone. Arguably, people take sides out of disappointment, Led Zeppelin pro has nothing in it, GNR has too many multiballs.. not everything is for everyone.

Sorry, I'll go back to my cave.

#255 3 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

It's not just bigger TV, and costs more. Also, do JJP pins really cost more when Stern is charging $7500, $9500, and in some cases $15k for comparable pins? Not really. Well except for GNR, what JJP did with GNR is pricing is disappointing.
If JJP continues with GNR pricing for all future titles please ignore everything I said below lol. Same thing if they raise Wonka prices to GNR levels.
To start the JJP quality difference can be seen in the build quality of the cabinet alone. The cabinets themselves are made better, the seams on them are cut better, the interior / underside is finished nicer, and heck the head is actually made out of wood versus 2/3 sheet metal. JJP is also still including traditional locks mechs for cabinet heads, a proper lockdown bar, and full support rails.
We can then move onto the features / toys, there are more of them on a JJP pin versus a vast majority of Sterns. On a JJP pin you will find multiple 3D molds that are detailed. Take the skull Axel mold on GNR, the spinning Gobster on Wonka, and especially Smaug on JJP (plus the gold piles and pillars). You will find nothing close to that on a Stern pin, not at the same level of detail or build quality. Example, LZ has a Zeppelin toy that is made of two half pieces of plastic that are held together by two exposed screw heads. The raptor tower on JP are thin plastics screwed onto a chunk of metal (again with exposed screw heads). This is inferior to say the 3D molded toys on Dialed In. Black Knight SOR again uses thin flat plastics on the catapult toy that are screwed into a chunk of metal. Some people may say you can buy after market mods to "fix" those areas but you shouldn't have to with a $6k - $9k+ pinball purchase of all things.
Finally there's the code work and JJP puts far more into their code work compared to Stern. A lot of Stern games are filled with "shoot this ramp" or "shoot this orbit" for X score with little mode choreography (unique music, sounds, animations, etc all tied to shots that work the entire playfield). All of those "super modes" that Stern loves to fill their pins with are copy and paste filler modes carried over from one game to the next. The Stern game that went against that mold the most was LOTR and we know where the programmer, Keith Johnson, ended up...JJP.

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