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JJP has PROVEN themselves better than Stern

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#251 9 months ago

Stern has done us all a huge favor in taking weight out of their machines.

I moved a Dialed in up a flight of stairs once and I will never, ever contemplate doing that again.

For all you guys with teams of pin movers on a retainer I guess the heavier the better to get your money's worth but for the rest of us the metal backbox on a stern game is MVP.

#252 9 months ago

All my pins go down two flights of stairs on a dolly and my back really appreciates a lighter stern cabinet. The only pin in my collection with a splitting cabinet is my Getaway so...

#253 9 months ago
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:

The only pin in my collection with a splitting cabinet is my Getaway so...

I know that feeling .

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#254 9 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Stern has done us all a huge favor in taking weight out of their machines.
I moved a Dialed in up a flight of stairs once and I will never, ever contemplate doing that again.
For all you guys with teams of pin movers on a retainer I guess the heavier the better to get your money's worth but for the rest of us the metal backbox on a stern game is MVP.

I'm sort of ashamed to admit that if I start to want a certain pin but hear that it's super heavy my desire to have said pin just fades away.

#255 9 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

It's not just bigger TV, and costs more. Also, do JJP pins really cost more when Stern is charging $7500, $9500, and in some cases $15k for comparable pins? Not really. Well except for GNR, what JJP did with GNR is pricing is disappointing.
If JJP continues with GNR pricing for all future titles please ignore everything I said below lol. Same thing if they raise Wonka prices to GNR levels.
To start the JJP quality difference can be seen in the build quality of the cabinet alone. The cabinets themselves are made better, the seams on them are cut better, the interior / underside is finished nicer, and heck the head is actually made out of wood versus 2/3 sheet metal. JJP is also still including traditional locks mechs for cabinet heads, a proper lockdown bar, and full support rails.
We can then move onto the features / toys, there are more of them on a JJP pin versus a vast majority of Sterns. On a JJP pin you will find multiple 3D molds that are detailed. Take the skull Axel mold on GNR, the spinning Gobster on Wonka, and especially Smaug on JJP (plus the gold piles and pillars). You will find nothing close to that on a Stern pin, not at the same level of detail or build quality. Example, LZ has a Zeppelin toy that is made of two half pieces of plastic that are held together by two exposed screw heads. The raptor tower on JP are thin plastics screwed onto a chunk of metal (again with exposed screw heads). This is inferior to say the 3D molded toys on Dialed In. Black Knight SOR again uses thin flat plastics on the catapult toy that are screwed into a chunk of metal. Some people may say you can buy after market mods to "fix" those areas but you shouldn't have to with a $6k - $9k+ pinball purchase of all things.
Finally there's the code work and JJP puts far more into their code work compared to Stern. A lot of Stern games are filled with "shoot this ramp" or "shoot this orbit" for X score with little mode choreography (unique music, sounds, animations, etc all tied to shots that work the entire playfield). All of those "super modes" that Stern loves to fill their pins with are copy and paste filler modes carried over from one game to the next. The Stern game that went against that mold the most was LOTR and we know where the programmer, Keith Johnson, ended up...JJP.

100 percent.

#256 9 months ago

JJP having the best fit and finish, animations, etc. for the most part are not in dispute. The issue that some have with JJP boil down to them not liking: theme, gameplay, widebody, etc. I think almost everyone agrees that the JJP pins are very well built, beautiful and and well coded.

Except both JJP and Stern had clear coat issues for sure. I hope that is behind us.

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#257 8 months ago
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:

So they did Alice Cooper and RZ because they WANTED to. Niche

I don’t know this for a fact but I think Zombie wanted his own pinball game and reached out. He owns all his own stuff so easy license to make probably with no money down. Rob Zombie turned Alice Cooper onto Spooky as they do a lot of touring together. Oddly enough they both share their affection for everything SCARY... I doubt Spooky paid anything up front for either deal.

As for Zombie selling 17 million records that is a JOKE a complete JOKE. It never happened. There are bio’s and people blow things up but we’re talking about albums he’s probably around 6 million. Now do you want to start talking about downloads for singles, or single sales none of that counts towards albums sales. Rob Zombie has singles that got a lot fo download around Halloween or on complication Halloween records but none of that counts towards his albums sales.

I’m talking about ALBUMS and he’s about 6 million TOTAL. Alice Cooper is even less. Tears For Fears has more Album sales than both combined lets make them a pinball.

Click on every single album he’s ever had only the first two had any amount of success and all the rest bombed. Rob Zombie selling 17 million albums is a complete JOKE!

Either way what is a bigger JOKE is comparing Rob Zombie to Guns N Roses... they're not even in the same league! I think whats cool for Spooky is they went from these two titles NICHE bands to a big massive Rick and Morty. Spooky is clearly on the move away from NICHE titles to bigger brands. That is great for pinball.

#258 8 months ago

You need to spot check your facts.
They are about as fucked up as a soup sandwich.

You can start by simply googling the number of albums Alice Cooper has sold.
I can assure you it’s more than Tears for Fears.
The dudes been putting out albums since the 70s.
It may not be catchy toons like “everybody wants to rule the world”, but the sheer longevity of his career and a quick google search with show this to be a certainty.

#259 8 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

I don’t know this for a fact but I think Zombie wanted his own pinball game and reached out. He owns all his own stuff so easy license to make probably with no money down. Rob Zombie turned Alice Cooper onto Spooky as they do a lot of touring together. Oddly enough they both share their affection for everything SCARY... I doubt Spooky paid anything up front for either deal.
As for Zombie selling 17 million records that is a JOKE a complete JOKE. It never happened. There are bio’s and people blow things up but we’re talking about albums he’s probably around 6 million. Now do you want to start talking about downloads for singles, or single sales none of that counts towards albums sales. Rob Zombie has singles that got a lot fo download around Halloween or on complication Halloween records but none of that counts towards his albums sales.
I’m talking about ALBUMS and he’s about 6 million TOTAL. Alice Cooper is even less. Tears For Fears has more Album sales than both combined lets make them a pinball.
Click on every single album he’s ever had only the first two had any amount of success and all the rest bombed. Rob Zombie selling 17 million albums is a complete JOKE!
Either way what is a bigger JOKE is comparing Rob Zombie to Guns N Roses... they're not even in the same league! I think whats cool for Spooky is they went from these two titles NICHE bands to a big massive Rick and Morty. Spooky is clearly on the move away from NICHE titles to bigger brands. That is great for pinball.

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#260 8 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

Tears For Fears has more Album sales than both combined lets make them a pinball.

I've been a TFF fan since the beginning and have seen every tour since Songs from the Big Chair...even after they split and reunited.

Tears For Fears would make a horrible pinball machine.

#261 8 months ago

OKAY TIME FOR FACTS.

Don’t read headlines do the research. Rob Zombie has sold about 6 million albums all time. This is TOTAL! You want to cite Wikipedia then do it... click on EACH album and read for yourself. Here is the break down so you can add it up yourself.

Hillbilly his best selling album ever WORLD WIDE about 3.2 million albums sold. Sinister Urge his second album about 1.8 million. Educated sold about 300,000, Hellbilly Deluxe 2 sold about 200,000, Venomouse less than 100,000 and Warlock sold about 150,000. His last album has no album sales because artists no longer sell albums... they make money from getting views on YouTube or plays on streaming. So when you ADD UP EVERYTHING you come out to about 6 million or a bit less in total album sales. This doesn’t count single sales this is just straight albums. Furthermore Rob Zombie has NO top 10 hits NO #1 hits.

Now if you want to start counting White Zombie album sales that is another story... they had one really successful album which sold about 2.6 million. White Zombie was a band, and Rob Zombie is an individual. Two different things totally. Rob Zombie as a SOLO artist has sold about 6 MILLION albums. Just so you know Guns N Roses sold about 30 MILLION albums with just their FIRST record. That is how all this started someone said Rob Zombie was better than Guns N Roses... maybe in your opinion but record sales says a whole other story. Rob Zombie is a niche artists while Guns N Roses is a MEGA band. You can’t compare the two.

Alice Cooper only has ONE album that has reached just 1 million, a few around 500,000 and most under 100,000. Alice Cooper is more about his small but loyal fan base touring constantly. He hasn’t sold many ALBUMS.

Now as for Tears for Fears... I meant that as a joke even though if a TFF album was created I’d be the first in line. But lets compare Rob Zombie and Tears for fears just for the smart people who do no research.

Tears for Fears second album sold more copies than all of Rob Zombies records combined... Songs from the Big Chair produced FOUR top 40 hits, 2 #1 records and another song that peaked at #3. Songs from the Big Chair sold over 7 million albums. Their first albums sold over 1 million and their 3rd Album sold over 2 million, Elemental about 700k, 5th 300,000 on the next one and about 250 on their last album. In total Tears for Fears have sold over 12 million Albums and over 30 million sales total when you account for singles. They’ve also had two greatest hits records selling another 2 million roughly.

Lastly Tears for Fears just RECENTLY uploaded a YouTube page September 2019 and already have 100 million MORE views than Rob Zombie who joined December of 2005, proving TFF is WAY WAY more popular than Rob Zombie. Guns N Roses just joined YouTube as well in 2018 and now have 6 billion views how in the WORLD can you compare Rob Zombie to Guns N Roses. You can’t even compare Rob Zombie to Tears for Fears. Please.

The point I was making was Rob Zombie has a niche horror rock following mostly due to directly horror movies. It’s fine but some of you said Rob Zombie was the bigger title and that is just FALSE!

Guns N Roses have sold over 50 million Albums have over 6 billion of views on their music, and their last tour generated nearly 600 million dollars.

Don’t compare Guns N Roses to Rob ZOmbie get out of here... when Rob Zombie plays concerts he plays venues as small as 2000, Tear For Fears last tour with Hall and Oats was 20k arenas. When Rob Zombie was touring with Alice Cooper they sold about 7 to 8 thousand tickets. Not even close.

#262 8 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

OKAY TIME FOR FACTS.
Don’t read headlines do the research. Rob Zombie has sold about 6 million albums all time. This is TOTAL! You want to cite Wikipedia then do it... click on EACH album and read for yourself. Here is the break down so you can add it up yourself.
Hillbilly his best selling album ever WORLD WIDE about 3.2 million albums sold. Sinister Urge his second album about 1.8 million. Educated sold about 300,000, Hellbilly Deluxe 2 sold about 200,000, Venomouse less than 100,000 and Warlock sold about 150,000. His last album has no album sales because artists no longer sell albums... they make money from getting views on YouTube or plays on streaming. So when you ADD UP EVERYTHING you come out to about 6 million or a bit less in total album sales. This doesn’t count single sales this is just straight albums. Furthermore Rob Zombie has NO top 10 hits NO #1 hits.
Now if you want to start counting White Zombie album sales that is another story... they had one really successful album which sold about 2.6 million. White Zombie was a band, and Rob Zombie is an individual. Two different things totally. Rob Zombie as a SOLO artist has sold about 6 MILLION albums. Just so you know Guns N Roses sold about 30 MILLION albums with just their FIRST record. That is how all this started someone said Rob Zombie was better than Guns N Roses... maybe in your opinion but record sales says a whole other story. Rob Zombie is a niche artists while Guns N Roses is a MEGA band. You can’t compare the two.
Alice Cooper only has ONE album that has reached just 1 million, a few around 500,000 and most under 100,000. Alice Cooper is more about his small but loyal fan base touring constantly. He hasn’t sold many ALBUMS.
Now as for Tears for Fears... I meant that as a joke even though if a TFF album was created I’d be the first in line. But lets compare Rob Zombie and Tears for fears just for the smart people who do no research.
Tears for Fears second album sold more copies than all of Rob Zombies records combined... Songs from the Big Chair produced FOUR top 40 hits, 2 #1 records and another song that peaked at #3. Songs from the Big Chair sold over 7 million albums. Their first albums sold over 1 million and their 3rd Album sold over 2 million, Elemental about 700k, 5th 300,000 on the next one and about 250 on their last album. In total Tears for Fears have sold over 10 million Albums and over 30 million sales total when you account for singles.
Lastly Tears for Fears just RECENTLY uploaded a YouTube page September 2019 and already have 100 million MORE views than Rob Zombie who joined December of 2005, proving TFF is WAY WAY more popular than Rob Zombie. Guns N Roses just joined YouTube as well in 2018 and now have 6 billion views how in the WORLD can you compare Rob Zombie to Guns N Roses. You can’t even compare Rob Zombie to Tears for Fears. Please.
The point I was making was Rob Zombie has a niche horror rock following mostly due to directly horror movies. It’s fine but some of you said Rob Zombie was the bigger title and that is just FALSE!
Guns N Roses have sold over 50 million Albums have over 6 billion of views on their music, and their last tour generated nearly 600 million dollars.
Don’t compare Guns N Roses to Rob ZOmbie get out of here... when Rob Zombie plays concerts he plays venues as small as 2000, Tear For Fears last tour with Hall and Oats was 20k arenas. When Rob Zombie was touring with Alice Cooper they sold about 7 to 8 thousand tickets. Not even close.

It’s ok to be wrong, it happens to all of us. Funniest thing is you know you has the CURRENT #1 album, yep , you guessed it!

https://www.billboard.com/charts/current-albums

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#263 8 months ago

Oh my gosh in case you didn’t know NO ONE BUYS albums anymore. So being #1 in 2021 means 25,000 album sales TOTAL! WOW you just set the world on fire didn’t ya? So that new record will probably sell about 85 records total. In case you’re not aware most of all album sales are coming from vinyl sales now. So you sell a bunch to collectors the first week then its basically nothing. So wow he sold 25k. That really proves your point. I just read a story about this being Rob Zombies first #1 album which shows just how albums are doing these days... it says his previous three albums sold around 120,000 copies and this one is the lowest Debut and will probably end up around 85k. So tell me mr know it all... if his first album was his biggest selling 3.2 million, his second sells about 1.8 million and all the rest are under 500,000 and most being under 150 how does he get to 17 million? Secondly even if he did sell 17 million which he hasn’t how does that make him bigger than Guns N’ Roses?

And fyi I saw one image that said Tears for Fears have sold 30 million albums but when you go in and COUNT how many albums they’ve sold album by album its only 13 million. All total sales 30 million. Rob Zombie total album sales is around 6 million.

Stop posting images and get facts. Congrats to Rob Zombie on selling 25,000 records last week, now all we need is another 11 million and we’re all good or another 45 million plus to catch Guns N’ Roses.

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#264 8 months ago

Dude, we get it.
You have a huge man crush on JJP and everything they do gives you a giant man boner.
No one is comparing Guns N Roses as a band to Rob Zombie or Alice Cooper or Tears for Fears (other than you).
No one gives a shit.

#265 8 months ago

I’m not obsessed with anything but when people compare facts and fiction you set the record straight. BTW this ends the debate... I looked up Rob Zombie on the RIAA website that tracks all record sales. They have Rob Zombie at 5.5 million albums ALL TIME ... so BAM. Not 17 million but 5.5 million. This ends the debate. If you don’t believe me look it up yourself.

FIVE POINT FIVE.

Guns N Roses is listed at 45 million. We can consider this debate ended. If you want to compare Guns N Roses to say Van Halen that’s fair but Rob Zombie please.

With all that being said congrats to Spooky for winning several TWIPY awards for Rick and Morty. It’s a company on the rise now that they’ve moved on from niche titles to titles with huge followings.

#266 8 months ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

It’s ok to be wrong, it happens to all of us. Funniest thing is you know you has the CURRENT #1 album, yep , you guessed it!
https://www.billboard.com/charts/current-albums
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Ha Ha , talk about timing , mic drop

#267 8 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

BTW this ends the debate

No more counter points please, This lame debate has been ended!

#269 8 months ago

On a good note Congratulations to team JJP for finally winning Game of the Year!

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#270 7 months ago

Yeah congrats to winning game of the year even though had the TWIPPY existed when WOZ came out they would have won then as well. They should have won for Pirates especially in hindsight ... the value of the game today speaks volumes.

Now lets hope Toy Story can win the Twippy in 2022.

#271 7 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

Yeah congrats to winning game of the year even though had the TWIPPY existed when WOZ came out they would have won then as well. They should have won for Pirates especially in hindsight ... the value of the game today speaks volumes.
Now lets hope Toy Story can win the Twippy in 2022.

for sure!

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